New Pascal Titan announced. $1200.

mtl1mtl1 Posts: 1,508
edited July 2016 in The Commons

New Pascal Titan announced. $1200.

Title says it all. 3584 cores, 1530 MHz.

edit: Saw another chart with 1417 MHz.

... $1200.

Still 12GB of RAM so those Maxwell Titan X's are looking pretty attractive right now.

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  • fredmusicfredmusic Posts: 29
    edited July 2016
    https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/07/21/titan-x/ August 2nd Nvidia direct sale, so presumably the price is fixed.
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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    That is a huge price increase over the previous Titan.

  • fredmusicfredmusic Posts: 29

    That is a huge price increase over the previous Titan.

    Was the previous one starting at $1000, this is supposed to be about 60% faster.
  • mtl1mtl1 Posts: 1,508

    60% from base blocks, I presume? Pascals haven't been OCing well, but Maxwells typically have a lot of headrom.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,047

    ...so what's the deal with the "deep learning" instruction set in a consumer GPU?  It's not like we are going to start tinkring around with AI while playing Halo or rendering a scene with a Stonemason set.

    @ mtl1, I have to concur 1,200$ for an additional 500 CUDA cores, no hydro cooliing, and no increase in VRAM is a bit steep whne a 1060  with 6 GB is less than 300$. 

    60% faster for what, gaming or rendering?

    The only issue with getting a a Maxwell Titan-X is finding one that isn't used.  Newegg has pulled them from their inventory.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Still available in the UK; £1050 ish

  • almahiedraalmahiedra Posts: 1,367
    kyoto kid said:

    ...so what's the deal with the "deep learning" instruction set in a consumer GPU?  It's not like we are going to start tinkring around with AI while playing Halo or rendering a scene with a Stonemason set.

    @ mtl1, I have to concur 1,200$ for an additional 500 CUDA cores, no hydro cooliing, and no increase in VRAM is a bit steep whne a 1060  with 6 GB is less than 300$. 

    60% faster for what, gaming or rendering?

    The only issue with getting a a Maxwell Titan-X is finding one that isn't used.  Newegg has pulled them from their inventory.

    11tflops vs 7tflops. How many change is it?

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,565

    Brilliant. Then all you need is an idea of somthing worthwhile to render with it. The easy part bought with cash doesn't help one bit with the hard part of something worthwhile to say.

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,278

    so will Cuda 8 be pascal GPU's only? 

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,566

    ok so the gtx 1080 is about $699 in Australian dollars that's $935 using money converter calculator BUT that doesn't include our gst tax looking at aussie sites that sell the card seperately the price ranges between $1199 to $1299+ soooo this new titan your saying is $1200 us works out roughly $1606.18 again this is before our gst tax which maybe increasing soon so probably closer to $2000 Australian maybe more probably wont be many that can afford it here except those that must get it for bragging rights and doubt many get more than one card doresn't say if you can use 2 or more the 1070/80s they made it you can only use 2 cards in sli but with the 1060 made it as a single card option only maybe same with this new titan? again at that price not many will be able to afford more than one guessing except those bought quadros

  • linvanchenelinvanchene Posts: 1,386
    edited July 2016

    hmmm

    I find two things odd about this:

    1) The naming

    Why not give it a new distinct name?

    Even on the official Nvidia Geforce page you have now two links called Titan X one with a "(new)" added at the end...

    In a few months when some people try to sell their Titan X you will be bound to have some unhappy second hand buyers when they wanted a Pascal Titan X but ended up with a first generation Titan X.

    And just think about all that confusion on forums when people are looking for information about Titan X performance and read trough old posts.

    - - -

    2) Sold by Nvidia directly

    You  can only buy it directly from Nvidia.

    Why would all the 3rd party developers pass on a chance to sell cards with some extra overclocking, hydro cooling and any other fancy features to get a little bit of extra cash from the user group who has the cash to pay extra?

     

    - - -

     

    Is this a confirmation that the Titan cards did not sell well enough for custom board builders to bother with it?

    or

    Is this a hint that there will be different versions of Titans in the Pascal generation and custom board bulders are allready busy preparing those?

    or

    Maybe hell freezes over and they start selling Pascal Quadro cards at a reasonable price tag with more than just 12 GB of VRAM?

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  • Kevin SandersonKevin Sanderson Posts: 1,643

    If memory serves you could only buy the old Titan X directly from Nvidia first. Then the other card makers released their versions.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Because it is the limit it can do I guess .. just another 1080 on steroids 

    I expected better chip ,  more cores, fastest clock , really disappointed  

    @Kevin as you remember the manufacturers was not allowed to use 3th part cooling on older stock Titan X , they was limited and selling kits to "do you self "  beside future Hydro I don't see anything else to improve it , more power and clock speed maybe if they are allowed  .. but for that you need optimal cooling so all they will have is water based

    If you going to use 1 new Titan X or 2 you good for the performance vs money and best choice you have, but that is , with more than 2 you wasting your budged as the cores will be not used all in rendering with multiple GPUs due to GPU scaling in iray , unless they improve it in the future, but they did not in the last iray2016.1 build

    I can run my Titan SC Hydro at 1500Mhz too and waving back at 1080 lol

    I wonder about the temperatures with this large chip while rendering , still so many questions until the final iray benchmarks show up using the new Pascal cards

     

    2) Sold by Nvidia directly

    You  can only buy it directly from Nvidia.

    Why would all the 3rd party developers pass on a chance to sell cards with some extra overclocking, hydro cooling and any other fancy features to get a little bit of extra cash from the user group who has the cash to pay extra?

     

    - - -

     

    Is this a confirmation that the Titan cards did not sell well enough for custom board builders to bother with it?

    or

    Is this a hint that there will be different versions of Titans in the Pascal generation and custom board bulders are allready busy preparing those?

    or

    Maybe hell freezes over and they start selling Pascal Quadro cards at a reasonable price tag with more than just 12 GB of VRAM?

     

  • mtl1mtl1 Posts: 1,508
    MEC4D said:

    Because it is the limit it can do I guess .. just another 1080 on steroids 

    I expected better chip ,  more cores, fastest clock , really disappointed  

    @Kevin as you remember the manufacturers was not allowed to use 3th part cooling on older stock Titan X , they was limited and selling kits to "do you self "  beside future Hydro I don't see anything else to improve it , more power and clock speed maybe if they are allowed  .. but for that you need optimal cooling so all they will have is water based

    If you going to use 1 new Titan X or 2 you good for the performance vs money and best choice you have, but that is , with more than 2 you wasting your budged as the cores will be not used all in rendering with multiple GPUs due to GPU scaling in iray , unless they improve it in the future, but they did not in the last iray2016.1 build

    I can run my Titan SC Hydro at 1500Mhz too and waving back at 1080 lol

    I wonder about the temperatures with this large chip while rendering , still so many questions until the final iray benchmarks show up using the new Pascal cards

     

    2) Sold by Nvidia directly

    You  can only buy it directly from Nvidia.

    Why would all the 3rd party developers pass on a chance to sell cards with some extra overclocking, hydro cooling and any other fancy features to get a little bit of extra cash from the user group who has the cash to pay extra?

     

    - - -

     

    Is this a confirmation that the Titan cards did not sell well enough for custom board builders to bother with it?

    or

    Is this a hint that there will be different versions of Titans in the Pascal generation and custom board bulders are allready busy preparing those?

    or

    Maybe hell freezes over and they start selling Pascal Quadro cards at a reasonable price tag with more than just 12 GB of VRAM?

     

    The weird thing is that nVidia chose to release this with 12GB GDDR5x instead of HBM2 at $1200. The cost-benefit of this card is awful -- and I thought the 1080 was already pushing it.

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    kyoto kid said:

    ...so what's the deal with the "deep learning" instruction set in a consumer GPU?  It's not like we are going to start tinkring around with AI while playing Halo or rendering a scene with a Stonemason set.

    Good AI is a very important part of decent games. They're not just a bunch of pretty 3D models, you know. At some point, someone actually has to play them.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    Yeah exactly .. the WOW for me was only the price this time , I guess the Hydro will be like $1700 now as the preview one was around $1500 at retail price  

    mtl1 said:
    MEC4D said:

     

    The weird thing is that nVidia chose to release this with 12GB GDDR5x instead of HBM2 at $1200. The cost-benefit of this card is awful -- and I thought the 1080 was already pushing it.

     

  • Kevin SandersonKevin Sanderson Posts: 1,643

    For those like me with older cards (780ti) the new and improved Titan X is an improvement and much more affordable than any of the "new" Titan X - current version - on ebay. Some of those prices are nuts. One vendor dropped his prices on 10 new ones by $100, but still $300 more than the new Titan X coming out. I still can't afford to rush out and get the new one on August 2nd, though.

  • MaxHancockMaxHancock Posts: 227

    ... And this new Titan X nor the GTX 1080 are iRay ready yet, correct? If not, then I hope they announce that capability soon... maybe at SIGGRAF 2016. 

  • Kevin SandersonKevin Sanderson Posts: 1,643

    Not yet.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    I am glad I woke up in the last second and purchased my 2 new Titan X hybrid before the crazy prices started to get higher and they stopped selling them  , one I got for $1099 from EVGA and the other for $990 all brand newnretail price $1549, I am not interested in air cooling or paying $1600 or more for the new Titan X 11 Hydro for the little extras , if you go for 1 or 2  card good choice but for more not worth the money as in my case . and if you want just one Titan X 11 then go for 2 X1080 you will have 60% faster rig for the same money when iray is ready for Pascal architecture soon .  Nvidia general manager explained that when Nvidia is ready with iray engine they sent it to DAZ programmers and all they have to do just replace it without doing anything else in the coding so the process is quick and easy without big delays . And I can't wait for the VR and other cameras as well .

    For those like me with older cards (780ti) the new and improved Titan X is an improvement and much more affordable than any of the "new" Titan X - current version - on ebay. Some of those prices are nuts. One vendor dropped his prices on 10 new ones by $100, but still $300 more than the new Titan X coming out. I still can't afford to rush out and get the new one on August 2nd, though.

     

  • Kevin SandersonKevin Sanderson Posts: 1,643

    Looks like a good alternate plan, Cath! smiley

     

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    It is Kevin , you need to have good strategy and not get excited by the hype , that is what marketing smoking mirrors want to make you believe lol ..  the future is going to be fast in iray for everyone soon ..no matter the budged and definitely you don't need what I have in my rig to have fun with iray .. if that was not my work I will never go beyond max 2 cards and I made mistake going with 3, then I had to fix it by purchasing 4th to finally find peace of mind and it is great but not a must have .

    Looks like a good alternate plan, Cath! smiley

     

     

  • boisselazonboisselazon Posts: 458

    First, hardware wise, I am really disapointed by this new Titan card. I expected that it is 16GB+ to leave some room for the 1080Ti at 12GB+. Now, if they do the Ti at 8GB, disapointment either. Can they do the Ti at 12GB? I'm doubtfull, the titan should become insta obsolete....

    GDR5+ ram: I knew that they didn't have the choice. HBM2 didin't even enter the production mode :-(

    CUDA/SPEED: for now, at stock, for us Rendered hungry men,(women), it is a wait n see situation. No big improvment clockwise. We have to wait (long) to see the iray behaviour. I don't expect good things before optimization, wich means 3 to 6 months at least to wait for good satble efficients drivers.

    My concerns is actually: should I wait and replace my 980Ti MSI gaming (fast!) or do I jump on good sales on this card but I'd have to invest in a (big) good PSU also. PSU costs 280, but 980Ti is less than 450. I will have a far better system than a single 1080 or even a single titan 1080 for far less money. Just far less memory, that is the (huge) question

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited July 2016

    I may, when funds are available, take the plunge on this; but not until I see its performance, well the same is true for all Pascal cards.

    What may hold me back, is the RAM, no increase, and still only GDR5+.

    I'm not buying hype, only something I know the performance of.

    Post edited by nicstt on
  • janmclarejanmclare Posts: 32
    edited July 2016

    This is a card with a cut down chip. A faster card with a fully enabled chip could be available and depending on what AMD come up with could be released.

    I would'nt buy this card for this type of money knowing its a cut down chip and faster cards could be out.

    Post edited by janmclare on
  • boisselazonboisselazon Posts: 458
    janmclare said:

    This is a card with a cut down chip. A faster card with a fully enabled chip could be available and depending on what AMD come up with could be released.

    I would'nt buy this card for this type of money knowing its a cut down chip and faster cards could be out.

    No, this is the full (graphic) chip pascal, only the FP has been cut down, FP wich is completely useless for the aimed marked (and for us)

    As far As I know, GDDR5+ gives some perf improvments, but not as great as HBM2. The sooner we will see the HBM2 for mass market seems to be Q1 2017.

  • janmclarejanmclare Posts: 32

    I belive this has 3584 cuda cores and it should have around 3840 cuda cores for a non cut down card.

    Nvidia is saving the full chips for a future Titan card.

    Maybe like they did with Titan to Titan black.. etc...

  • hacsarthacsart Posts: 2,034

    I've had cars that cost less! !!!!  smiley

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795

    I'll have to wait for a different render engine to be created for a video card from a business that isn't price gouging.

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    now you know why I am not driving .. cheeky

    hacsart said:

    I've had cars that cost less! !!!!  smiley

     

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