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  • dreamfarmerdreamfarmer Posts: 2,128

    I use the memory assistant a ton even though it doesn't quite seem to work right anymore. It's close enough to be usable anyhow. 

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,205

    I found the Iray memory assistant to be too inaccurate to rely on. I don't know if the issues were ever fixed, because I gave up on it and returned it. There is a thread about it here, if you want to read up on it.

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,182
  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,983

    Thank you for these alerts! I've been dying to get the Elven Weapon Bundle for forever but it has been out of my price range

  • MN-150374MN-150374 Posts: 923

    As a Bonus Buyer and PC+ Member I got Carrara 8.5 Pro for 12.28$.

    It includes the Victoria5 & Michael5 Pro Bundles. This is really Madness!!! surprise

  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,815
    edited March 2017

    As a Bonus Buyer and PC+ Member I got ....

    Can't be just that, my cart shows $24.57

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    The Michael 5 doesn't seem to be the pro bundle. and I don't see anything Victoria mentioned at all. You sure?

    I count 33 included items (including the software iteself)

    And...and....I do intend to try my hand at animation very soon (have been looking at the iClone software), read through the other threads comparing the Daz,iClone - with some knocks against Carrara as being totallly different GUI from Daz, somewhat unsupported and a little old. (Everything is for Genesis and Genesis 2)

    BUT! Is it worth it at these prices- and even for the added content, alone. Am I right in assuming all that content will be in my Daz runtime?

    And if so, if anyone knows, does the included goodies show up like native bundles/products/purchases or in some (hidden) sub-category like poser stuff or 'other format products'...?

    As corny as I sound, for $24, I'm like "Do I REAAAALLLLY Need this?"

    But for $12 it seems like it's worth the inve$tment, even if I don't use it deeply or switch to iClone later.

     

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  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,243
    avxp said:

    As a Bonus Buyer and PC+ Member I got ....

    Can't be just that, my cart shows $24.57

    The missing factor is owning any previous version of Carrara.  When you do own a previous version of it you automatically get 50% off its price

  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,815

    So would you get, would you get it, would you get it?

  • MN-150374MN-150374 Posts: 923
    edited March 2017
    avxp said:

    As a Bonus Buyer and PC+ Member I got ....

    Can't be just that, my cart shows $24.57

    The missing factor is owning any previous version of Carrara.  When you do own a previous version of it you automatically get 50% off its price

    Now thats interessting. If I remember correctly there was an offer years ago for the Carrara Beta for free ( or very, very cheap - close to free ), but with an serial number that expired at a specific date. I grabed it back than because it was free. I wanted to give Carrara a try but had no time and never installed it. Thougt my serial number had already become invalid.

    @avxp: See the image below:

    Because there is a Beta , a Pro and a Non-Pro Version in the shop. Are you sure you are looking at the Carrara 8.5 Pro version: http://www.daz3d.com/carrara-8-5-pro

    CarraraContent.jpg
    1361 x 423 - 243K
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  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,576

    If you do not own M5 pro and/or V5 pro packs then a cheap Carrara 8.5 pro deal (since it includes both) is the best way to get these products

  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,815
    edited March 2017

    Oh, Oh , oh....those other products are the pro bundle. I didn't see that.

     I have Victoria 7 and Michael ....4 (I think) and I didn't recognize the figures.

    I was looking for earlier versions of THOSE characters. lol

    Okay. I'm sold!

    Oh wait....that means that's the price for this whole month...I'll hold on and see if it ever combines with anything later on...

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  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,880

    Warning - I'm a Carrara user, and have been for about 15 years.

    For $24+ dollars ...... yes it's worth it for the content alone. Don't expect Carrara to be DS though, they are two very different programs. Carrara is great for those who want a little more control over their 3D environment, and who like to role their sleves up and make their own vision. It seems as if Carrara, like Hexagon and Bryce, is now DAZ abandon-ware. Genesis and Genesis 2 both work quite well in Carrara, but there are some minor issues at times, and a few things that have major issues. Carrara includes modeling tools, a tree generator, dynamic strand based hair, landscaping tools, and an outstanbing integrated render engine. There is a free plugin posted in the Carrara forum for Lux Core (a version of Lux Render, an unbiased/PBR), and a pay for plugin for Octane Render (outstanding product) for anyone who wants something similar to Iray in Carrara. Carrara also includes rigging tools (but the rigging doesn't export to DS) for making your own figures, and a very powerful NLE animation editor (and an Animate plugin that will let you use aniblocks).

    Genesis 3 is not comatible with Carrara angry. But you can use Genesis 3 clothing on Genesis 2 figures in Carrara with the addon that lets you use Genesis 3 clothing with Genesis 2 in DS. There is a much steeper learning curve with Carrara than with DS, because there is a lot more to learn. You will also typically need to modify your shaders a bit because the translation between 3Delight and/or Poser shaders and Carrara isn't perfect. Think of Carrara as a general purpose 3D software that allows you to create your own content, modify existing content, and use the vast content resources available for DS and Poser (V4 and M4, work very well in Carrara too).

    Even though Carrara isn't getting any love from DAZ anymore, it's still a very capable 3D software/tool. I probably use DS more than Carrara now, because of Genesis 3, but there are projects that Carrara handles well that would be incredibly painful (on not doable) on DS. I just recently completed a commercial animation project using Carrara. It would have been very difficult to assemble all the pieces and in DS (not impossible, but way to difficult to even attempt), where Carrara handles it well. This was for a museum exhibit,(nationally known organization) that used custom made content assembled from GIS and LiDAR data (all my work as well). So yes, Carrara is capable of producing outstanding professional results.

    Anyone still interested, or for those who bought it, please hear over to the Carrara forum here for more info or help. For anyone wondering what an average joe can do with Carrara and DAZ content, you can get a quck small sampling in my gallery here, or check out the render thread in the Carrara forum.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,745

    Carrara is definitely worth it.  I picked it up to use to learn some modelling, but have discovered it does far more than that.  Very very versatile program.  It does have a steep learning curve as DustRider mentioned but the people on the Carrara forums are extremely patient.  I don't regret picking it up for one second.

  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,815

    Carrara includes modeling tools, a tree generator, dynamic strand based hair, landscaping tools

    Oh! Can I export things as props to use with Daz?
    And can I make hair (wigs) for figures in Daz?

     

    So my own content, like...what?

    Clothes?

    Buildings....?

    Does it have included props (base material and/orgenerators) to make store worthy content?

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    And ... do geo-grafts work in Carrara?

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    When I've done geografts and morphs, I usually do them in Carrara then integrate everything in Daz.

     

  • donovancolbertdonovancolbert Posts: 1,421

    Yes, you can create objects in Carrara and export them as .obj or a DAZ format.  I created my first freebie in Carrara 8.5 pro. 

    https://www.sharecg.com/v/87440/browse/21/DAZ-Studio/Student-Art-Horse

    And I'm working on a second, more complex freebie now. 

    @PhilW has a great set of tutorials and a great place to get started is in this thread: 

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/103416/learning-carrara-and-need-some-help#latest

    I think I picked my copy up for under $10 during one of the sales last year - and I bought it just for the DAZ 3D Pro Bundles it includes. Then I decided to check into it. 

    It is far more powerful than DAZ. It includes a lot of things you would pay extra for on DAZ. Hair Studio is like Look At My Hair. The Landscaping capabilities are similar to Terradome 3. The Modelling capabilities are similar to Hexagon. 

    It is far more difficult to work with for setting up renders, if you're used to DAZ. It has far more potential for custom content creation though. 

    There are several PAs who make landscapes and other props for retail sale in the store exclusively in Carrara, using nothing else. 

  • donovancolbertdonovancolbert Posts: 1,421

    It must have been more than that price I said. I show that I paid $22 for it, but DAZ e-mail invoices are ridiculous for figuring out what you really paid if you bought multiple items. But this range - $12/25 is a typical sale price for it. 





     

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500

    I'd buy it (or, rather upgrade - I have an old version that I never came to terms with) but I'm not sure what I would use it for. I'd rather do posing, scene set up and rendering in DS. I don't have LAMH but if it is anything like Garibaldi (which I have but dislike), I'll pass on the hair thing too. I also have the DAZ/Optitex Dynamic Cloth tool (paid for). So we are left with content creation. I have Hexagon - which crashes constantly - and Blender. I only use it (Blender) for adding morphs to clothing at the moment but I'd like to get more adventurous. Oh, and I do the occasional short animation in DS with Keymate and Graphmate ... with minimal scenery so that I can render fast in IRay. 

    $12 is cheap but Blender is cheaper and still in constant development.

  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,880
    avxp said:

    Carrara includes modeling tools, a tree generator, dynamic strand based hair, landscaping tools

    Oh! Can I export things as props to use with Daz?
    And can I make hair (wigs) for figures in Daz?

     

    So my own content, like...what?

    Clothes?

    Buildings....?

    Does it have included props (base material and/orgenerators) to make store worthy content?

    Unfortunately Carrara's Dynamic Hair won't export to DS, it's shader based strand hair. There are several really good Carrara dynamic hair "models" available in the store here.

    The trees will export, but tend to be rather poly heavy.

    Other items export well though. Carrara's also has several different modeling options. It has the typical vertex modeler, a spline modeler, a metaball modeler, and I think a may be forgetting another one. What I like about Carrara is that you can make everything in it, and don't need to use an external modeler like with DS. This can make things much simpler and faster. I did the image below in Carrara for one of the forum challenges. It was rendered using Carrara's render engine. I modeled the glass cover in Carrara (took about 30 seconds), as well as the desk (which you can't see a lot of). The girl is a V4 figure, and the dragon is the millennium dragon. Most of the shaders were tweaked to look better in Carrara (at first this seems daunting, but it is actually quite easy). Please zoom to full resolution to see the details lost we the image is reduced.

    Some people seem to have a lot of problems with Genesis and Genesis 2 figures in Carrara. I'm not quite sure why, since they seem to work quite well for me. There is an occasional item that won't load, or load properly. Some items need to be loaded to the scene, then autofit, because they cause a crash if they are autofit during loading. There are also a few that come in missing the texture maps, but it typically only takes a minute or two to fix that. Also, a lot of content comes in without bump maps, so you need to manually load them. So there is a bit a trade off in the relative convenience of DS for the additional features in Carrara, but for some projects it is well worth it. The majority of the Carrara images in my gallery here use Genesis or Genesis 2, but for a quick example, the image below uses only Genesis 2 and Genesis figures. It was rendered in Octane using the Carrara plugin (try fitting that much in Iray on a 6Gb card without reducing texture sizes). So yes, they do work in Carrara! Again, please zoom to full resolution to see the details.

    I bought Carrara 2 used, and my upgrade to Carrara 3 cost me over $350, and I think I paid about $85 for the 8.5 upgrade. So yes, I think it's a real bargain at the prices DAZ is selling it for now. 

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    marble said:

    I'd buy it (or, rather upgrade - I have an old version that I never came to terms with) but I'm not sure what I would use it for. I'd rather do posing, scene set up and rendering in DS. I don't have LAMH but if it is anything like Garibaldi (which I have but dislike), I'll pass on the hair thing too. I also have the DAZ/Optitex Dynamic Cloth tool (paid for). So we are left with content creation. I have Hexagon - which crashes constantly - and Blender. I only use it (Blender) for adding morphs to clothing at the moment but I'd like to get more adventurous. Oh, and I do the occasional short animation in DS with Keymate and Graphmate ... with minimal scenery so that I can render fast in IRay. 

    $12 is cheap but Blender is cheaper and still in constant development.

    I bought Carrara and see it as good value for the M5/V5 pro bundles, but the lack of development or interest shown for Carrara made me skip right off to Blender over a year ago and I'm ever so glad I did.

  • donovancolbertdonovancolbert Posts: 1,421

    @DustRider... love that dragon render. Awesome details. 

  • Griffin AvidGriffin Avid Posts: 3,815

    Incredible work. They do look like little ceramic figures. The surfaces are ..well, you know.

    I'm sold. Looks like this is going to follow the pattern of music production, where it takes several instruments/tools -

    each used for its strength....

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847

    ...

    avxp said:

    As a Bonus Buyer and PC+ Member I got ....

    Can't be just that, my cart shows $24.57

    The missing factor is owning any previous version of Carrara.  When you do own a previous version of it you automatically get 50% off its price

    ..I've had Carrara from ver 6.0. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    DustRider said:

    Warning - I'm a Carrara user, and have been for about 15 years.

    For $24+ dollars ...... yes it's worth it for the content alone. Don't expect Carrara to be DS though, they are two very different programs. Carrara is great for those who want a little more control over their 3D environment, and who like to role their sleves up and make their own vision. It seems as if Carrara, like Hexagon and Bryce, is now DAZ abandon-ware. Genesis and Genesis 2 both work quite well in Carrara, but there are some minor issues at times, and a few things that have major issues. Carrara includes modeling tools, a tree generator, dynamic strand based hair, landscaping tools, and an outstanbing integrated render engine. There is a free plugin posted in the Carrara forum for Lux Core (a version of Lux Render, an unbiased/PBR), and a pay for plugin for Octane Render (outstanding product) for anyone who wants something similar to Iray in Carrara. Carrara also includes rigging tools (but the rigging doesn't export to DS) for making your own figures, and a very powerful NLE animation editor (and an Animate plugin that will let you use aniblocks).

    Genesis 3 is not comatible with Carrara angry. But you can use Genesis 3 clothing on Genesis 2 figures in Carrara with the addon that lets you use Genesis 3 clothing with Genesis 2 in DS. There is a much steeper learning curve with Carrara than with DS, because there is a lot more to learn. You will also typically need to modify your shaders a bit because the translation between 3Delight and/or Poser shaders and Carrara isn't perfect. Think of Carrara as a general purpose 3D software that allows you to create your own content, modify existing content, and use the vast content resources available for DS and Poser (V4 and M4, work very well in Carrara too).

    Even though Carrara isn't getting any love from DAZ anymore, it's still a very capable 3D software/tool. I probably use DS more than Carrara now, because of Genesis 3, but there are projects that Carrara handles well that would be incredibly painful (on not doable) on DS. I just recently completed a commercial animation project using Carrara. It would have been very difficult to assemble all the pieces and in DS (not impossible, but way to difficult to even attempt), where Carrara handles it well. This was for a museum exhibit,(nationally known organization) that used custom made content assembled from GIS and LiDAR data (all my work as well). So yes, Carrara is capable of producing outstanding professional results.

    Anyone still interested, or for those who bought it, please hear over to the Carrara forum here for more info or help. For anyone wondering what an average joe can do with Carrara and DAZ content, you can get a quck small sampling in my gallery here, or check out the render thread in the Carrara forum.

    ...upvote on this. 

    The one nice feature of Carrara I like that it handles large terrains and environments much better than Daz.  It's render engine is surprisingly fast and can produce near photo real results.  Another is it has a built in vertex modeler that is stable compared to Hexagon (though for modeling I prefer the latter's UI and setup).  Carrara can also import other formats like .3ds, .lwo, .fbx, and as well as Poser characters without needing conversion software.  I also find Carrara's materials tab to be much more intuitive than the Shader Mixer in Daz.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    marble said:

    I'd buy it (or, rather upgrade - I have an old version that I never came to terms with) but I'm not sure what I would use it for. I'd rather do posing, scene set up and rendering in DS. I don't have LAMH but if it is anything like Garibaldi (which I have but dislike), I'll pass on the hair thing too. I also have the DAZ/Optitex Dynamic Cloth tool (paid for). So we are left with content creation. I have Hexagon - which crashes constantly - and Blender. I only use it (Blender) for adding morphs to clothing at the moment but I'd like to get more adventurous. Oh, and I do the occasional short animation in DS with Keymate and Graphmate ... with minimal scenery so that I can render fast in IRay. 

    $12 is cheap but Blender is cheaper and still in constant development.

    ...though I find I can actually create things in Carrara compared to stumbling around and "stubbing my toe" like I do in Blender.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    avxp said:

    Incredible work. They do look like little ceramic figures. The surfaces are ..well, you know.

    I'm sold. Looks like this is going to follow the pattern of music production, where it takes several instruments/tools -

    each used for its strength....

    ....personally I like the look of characters in Carrara more than Daz Iray as in the latter, it seems mine always come out looking more like rubber dolls that don't mesh well with the realism of the rest of the setting they're in.

  • dreamfarmerdreamfarmer Posts: 2,128

    A lot of not-flash-sale alerts being triggered. Interesting stuff but maybe spin off a thread so others can participate without spamming...?

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847

    ..apologies, been away from the forums for a while and catching up.

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