I understand where the articulated/rigged figures are involved (Victoria, Michael, Genesis, etc) but the the not so complicated props and sets (clocks, furniture, etc) is there really that much more work to make them compatible in Poser as well as DAZ Studio? [I obviously don't model CGI meshes...]

I get confused about which characters are G3F. Since there is a Victoria 4 and Mike 4, I would think that G3 refers to V3 and M3, but somehow I think that G3 is maybe the 7 characters. Or maybe the 6.

hot rocking

all guitars created by Td3d
on bass Victoria8, guitar Mei Lin7, singer Ophelia, drums Victoria 6, guitar Olympia8 (with new texture via facegen), on guitar Daphne (Olympia Pro8 character)

Made with...

• Victoria 6 HD Add-On
• Rama Drums
• Rama Drum Solo Poses
• Pirate for Genesis 3 Female(s)
• Mei Lin 7 HD Add-On
• Render Studio Iray 'Scenes'
• Mei Lin 7 Pro Bundle
• Cathy Hair and OOT Hairblending 2.0
• Midnight Special Hair for Genesis 3 Female(s)
• The Stellacaster Guitar and Poses for Genesis 3
• Crux Outfit For The Genesis 3 Female
• Crux Ii - Rebel Rock Pants
• Victoria 8 Pro Bundle
• Ophelia 7 HD Add-On
• Rock Diva Poses for Genesis 3 Females
• Olympia 8 Pro Bundle
• https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/415456
• 

The lady in front reminds me of Brittany Spears great render!!!!

Rock on Ladies!!!

Going through my emails.  Will update this post as I dig through my 1500 Daz3D emails. lol
Genesis 1 (unisex mesh) (G1)
2012 Aug 22 - Stephanie 5 (G1)
2012 Nov 03 - Hiro 5 (G1)
2012 Dec 20 - Young Teens 5 : Julie and Justin (G1)
2013 Jan 29 - Frreak 5 (G1)
Genesis 2 Female Release (G2F)
2013 Jun 20 - Victoria 6 (G2F)
 

A few more, based on what I can see in my product library:

Victoria 3 - December 2002

Michael 3 - September 2003

David - June 2004

Stephanie 3 - July 2004

The Girl - August 2004

Aiko 3 - November 2004

Young Teens (Luke & Laura) - October 2004

Preschoolers (Matt & Maddie) - February 2005

Hiro 3 - April 2005

Baby 3 - December 2005

--

Victoria 4 - December 2006

Aiko 4 - February 2008

Michael 4 - October 2008

Hiro 4 - January 2009

Girl 4 - March 2009

Kids 4 - April 2010

--

Genesis 1 / Victoria 5 - October 2011

Michael 5 - April 2012

Hiro 5 - October 2012

Young Teens 5 (Julie & Justin) - December 2012

Aiko 5 - February 2013

David 5 - April 2013

--

Genesis 2 Female / V6 - June 2013

Girl 6 - August 2013

Genesis 2 Male / M6 - November 2013

Aiko 6 - June 2014

--

Genesis 3 Female / V7 - June 2015

Genesis 3 Male  / M7 - November 2015

Girl 7 - February 2016

Aiko 7 - July 2016

It depends on what your goals are, what you're hoping to use it for, your timeline for creating goods, what your budget is, which render engine you're going to use etc. 

M4 ends up being the cheapest, but the clothing etc probably isn't as nice, and the textures are lower resolution. The hair also isn't great for that generaion. The muscles don't deform as nicely either.

That all gets better as the generations progress.

The hair for Gen 3 is a huge step up over the others and the character / clothing textures are made with the iray render engine in mind. The problem is though that most new items that are being released are going to support G8, but everything is going to be more expensive, and will take a while for all the content to build up/

something that G8 introduced was an easy way to change the characters expressions, which apparently is really powerful and easy to use. (I'm still using gen2, so I haven't played around with it yet) so if you want more realistic facial features then that's something to consider. 

When they released Victoria 8 they had an offer where if you bought it you got victoria 5,6,7 free. Same with the victoria standard and pro bundles. Michael 8 should be released soon, so they may just repeat that offer. That will solve your dilema as far as Michael goes at least. 

The Documentation Center has the Released Date: field for products with the release date.

This one is Victoria 7:
http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/21750/start

If you know the SKU of the product just switch it for the one above (21750) and you will land on their Doku page. Some products don't have a Doku page.

Thanks! I thought it might be documented somewhere on the site, but wasn't sure where. 

Hmmm. I found this, but no corresponding data for Victoria 1:

• 2000-01-01 Millennium Man Michael 1 

Fortunately, Victoria has a Wikipedia page, so I can look up release years (which is really the main info I want).

Thanks again, and if anyone finds a single resource listing everything, that would be great.

If I remember correctly... "Pozette" and "Dork" where the characters that came with Poser 4.  If you find the Poser 4 release date, they are one in the same.

THANKS! I WAS ABLE TO FIND THOSE AT WIKIPEDIA.

Are you looking for just the base figures, or the primary characters released for them?

I REALLY JUST WANT THE "BIG" FIGURES LIKE MICHAEL, VICTORIA, DAVID, FREAK, THE KIDS, HIRO, AIKO, STEPHANIE. I MIGHT ADD SOME OF THE MINOR CHARACTERS LIKE LEE, RYDER, JESSIE, ETC.

btw/ just an FYI.  The Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 Female release dayes are the same as their corresponding Victoria (5, 6, 7, and 8)

THANKS!

If I dig through my old emails I can get you release dates.  The last time I deleted Daz3d emails was back in 2012...

AGAIN, THANK YOU!

Going through my emails.  Will update this post as I dig through my 1500 Daz3D emails. lol
Genesis 1 (unisex mesh) (G1)
2012 Aug 22 - Stephanie 5 (G1)
2012 Nov 03 - Hiro 5 (G1)
2012 Dec 20 - Young Teens 5 : Julie and Justin (G1)
2013 Jan 29 - Frreak 5 (G1)
Genesis 2 Female Release (G2F)
2013 Jun 20 - Victoria 6 (G2F)

The Documentation Center has the Released Date: field for products with the release date.

This one is Victoria 7:
http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/21750/start

If you know the SKU of the product just switch it for the one above (21750) and you will land on their Doku page. Some products don't have a Doku page.

Going through my emails.  Will update this post as I dig through my 1500 Daz3D emails. lol
Genesis 1 (unisex mesh) (G1)
2012 Aug 22 - Stephanie 5 (G1)
   2012 Nov 03 - Hiro 5 (G1)
2012 Dec 20 - Young Teens 5 : Julie and Justin (G1)
   2013 Jan 29 - Frreak 5 (G1)
Genesis 2 Female Release (G2F)
2013 Jun 20 - Victoria 6 (G2F) -2013 Nov 26- Victoria 6 HD (6x higher mesh density)
2013 Jul 18 - Gia 6 (G2F)
2013 Aug 20 - The Girl 6 (G2F)
   Genesis 2 Male Release (G2M)
   2013 Nov 21 - Michael 6 (G2M) -2013 Nov 26- Michael 6 HD
2013 Dec 16 - Olympia 6 (G2F)
2014 Jan 14 - Gia 6 (G2F)
   2014 Jan 21 - Jayden 6 (G2M) (Teen Character)
2014 Feb 18 - Stephanie 6 (G2F) -2014 Mar 10- Stephanie 6 HD*This is currently the newest version of Stephanie*
   2014 Apr 17 - Gianni 6 (G2M) -2014 Jun 06- Gianni 6 HD
2014 May 14 - Giselle 6 (G2F)
2014 May 27 - Daz Dragon 3
2014 Jun 17 - Aiko 6 (G2F)
   2014 Jul 22 - Lee 6 (G2M)
2014 Aug 20 - Lilith 6 (G2F)
2014 Oct 23 - Mei Lin 6 (G2F)
2014 Nov 20 - Belle 6 (G2F) *Teen Character*
   2014 Nov 20 - Brodie 6 (G2M) *Teen Character*
2015 Jan 27 - Keiko 6 (G2F) "Manga style character"
2015 Apr 21 - Callie 6 (G2F) "Toon style character"
2015 May 19 - Ninive 6 (G2F)
Genesis 3 Female Released (G3F)
2015 Jun 23 - Victoria 7 (G3F)
2015 Jul 21 - Eva 7 (G3F)
2015 Aug 04 - Bethany 7 (G3F) "Plus size character"
2015 Aug 19 - Karen 7 (G3F)
 

If I remember correctly... "Pozette" and "Dork" where the characters that came with Poser 4.  If you find the Poser 4 release date, they are one in the same.

Are you looking for just the base figures, or the primary characters released for them?

btw/ just an FYI.  The Genesis, Genesis 2, Genesis 3 and Genesis 8 Female release dayes are the same as their corresponding Victoria (5, 6, 7, and 8)

If I dig through my old emails I can get you release dates.  The last time I deleted Daz3d emails was back in 2012...

I'm doing an article which frequently references figures by their age (the point being, there's still a lot of life left in old figures, even the old P4 "Dork"). But I'm having a lot of trouble finding release years for all the various figures and major characters. Is anyone aware of a single site that lists them all, PARTICUARLY MICHAEL. There is a Wikipedia page that lists Victoria, which is all nice and good, but if there's one about Michael, I can't find it.

All help greatly appreciated!

hot rocking

all guitars created by Td3d
on bass Victoria8, guitar Mei Lin7, singer Ophelia, drums Victoria 6, guitar Olympia8 (with new texture via facegen), on guitar Daphne (Olympia Pro8 character)

Made with...

• Victoria 6 HD Add-On
• Rama Drums
• Rama Drum Solo Poses
• Pirate for Genesis 3 Female(s)
• Mei Lin 7 HD Add-On
• Render Studio Iray 'Scenes'
• Mei Lin 7 Pro Bundle
• Cathy Hair and OOT Hairblending 2.0
• Midnight Special Hair for Genesis 3 Female(s)
• The Stellacaster Guitar and Poses for Genesis 3
• Crux Outfit For The Genesis 3 Female
• Crux Ii - Rebel Rock Pants
• Victoria 8 Pro Bundle
• Ophelia 7 HD Add-On
• Rock Diva Poses for Genesis 3 Females
• Olympia 8 Pro Bundle
• https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/415456
• 

Hot Rocking

https://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#images/415456

all guitars created by Td3d
on bass Victoria8, guitar Mei Lin7, singer Ophelia, drums Victoria 6, guitar Olympia8 (with new texture via facegen), on guitar Daphne (Olympia Pro8 character)

Made with...

• Victoria 6 HD Add-On
• Rama Drums
• Rama Drum Solo Poses
• Pirate for Genesis 3 Female(s)
• Mei Lin 7 HD Add-On
• Render Studio Iray 'Scenes'
• Mei Lin 7 Pro Bundle
• Cathy Hair and OOT Hairblending 2.0
• Midnight Special Hair for Genesis 3 Female(s)
• The Stellacaster Guitar and Poses for Genesis 3
• Crux Outfit For The Genesis 3 Female
• Crux Ii - Rebel Rock Pants
• Victoria 8 Pro Bundle
• Ophelia 7 HD Add-On
• Rock Diva Poses for Genesis 3 Females
• Olympia 8 Pro Bundle

I suppose it depends on what you want to do with it. Daz is great for buying ready made items at really competative prices and creating still images. It's probably not the best for animations as that's not its primary purpose.

That would be more Blender's role ?

I've ended up buying all the characters, so that I can use whatever props I want. Yes the prices are expensive for the older generation stuff,

The older generation is more expensive ? I don't get that...

but Daz has a sale every day, and mega sales at least once a month. If you buy platinum membership you will automatically and alway get 30% discount on any Daz original product, including michael / victoria as well as many other items for between 1.99 and around 4.99.

On top of that daz often discounts the M4/v4 items by a further 80%, gen 1 by 70%, gen 2 by 60% gen 3 by 50%.

Right now for example they're running a clearence sale. if you buy 3 new items, you will get 70% off any daz original. So you add 3x$2 plat club items into your cart, use your $6 voucher for those, and then in effect it hasn't cost you anything. You then add michel 4 into your cart- $29. After the automatic 30% discount it's $21. take off the 70% discount and it's now $6.30.

Other times you wont have to buy a new release to qualify for the discount, so you can use your voucher on m4 and get it much cheaper. 

That's great to know ! What is the detail of that voucher ?

So yes, the base price is $30 but you can always get it much cheaper if you're willing to wait. In fact the other day they gave the M4 bundle away for free.  

Wow ! So maybe I should wait in case that happens again ?

Because you can export any of the items as an OBJ file, it is possible to take it into blender and customize it any way you like. I do it all the time. 

You can use the rendered image commercially, but you can't use the 3d object itself. So if you are creating an image of a knight standing in front of a castle, using the props that you bought in Daz, you will be able to use that image as a commercial book cover. If you want to export the 3d model into the unreal engine and use it as a character in a game, then you won't be allowed to do that unless you buy a game license first, and the game license only covers daz original items.

Thanks a lot for this advice man, it helps tremendously !

If you dig a little deeper thru the forums you will find several long and sometimes convoluted threads on the whole issue of decreasing Poser support. It is a rather heated topic and has caused no end of argument, frustration and confusion on all sides. Not to mention driven the mods into fits trying to keep things civil. Anyway, from what I understand now, Daz (the Company) has made so many improvements to their figures such as Victoria, Michael, etc. in the newest generations that they are technically incompatible with Poser so it is  in Smith Micro's hands to catch up with that progress, or not, as they so choose. There's also the question of time and effort; a PA who produces for both programs has to do twice as much work as one who is supporting Studio only but for less return on their labour since the demand is growing for more Genesis 3 /Genesis 8 products. So for most it's purely a business decision to drop Poser support in favor of what earns them a living. Can't really fault 'em for that now can we?

That said, I keep hoping for the situation to improve so that neither side loses out. But considering how complicated this issue is, I'm not expecting to see the next version of Genesis being anywhere Poser-compatible. Even with the world's biggest sledgehammer trying to wallop it in there.  ;-) 

Did you open the Puppeteer pane first?

No, but I just did this morning.  Received the following error (see attached image).  Then I loaded G8 into the view pane selected her and tried to load Puppeter support again and still no puppeteer window.

The log file is too long to post here.  I attached it as a .txt file.

I think I know what it is. Try this. Make sure Genesis 8 is loaded in scene first before opening the pane and applying the preset.

I was doing that and it did not work.  I just updated to 4.9.4.122 Pro edition and it still does not work.  I open DS.  I load Genesis 8 female.  I double click on the breast control puppeteer support icon and get an error because G8 is not selected.  I click on Genesis 8 to select her and double click on the puppeteer support icon again and the load box flashes for less than a second and no puppeteer window come up.  Same thing with G8 Glute Control and G3 Breast control.  I'm stumped.  It has to be something with my system settings as it seems that no one else is having this issue.

Here are the last few lines if the log file after I cleared the scene and loaded Victoria 8 then clicked on the Puppeteer support Control Icon again.

2017-08-15 19:11:57.629 *** Scene Cleared ***
2017-08-15 19:12:12.667 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.670 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.670 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:12.672 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.674 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.675 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.678 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:12.684 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.719 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.719 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:12.720 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.720 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:12.721 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:12.724 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:22.177 *** Scene Cleared ***
2017-08-15 19:12:24.201 Begin Loading Character Addons...
2017-08-15 19:12:24.293 File loaded in 0 min 0.0 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:24.294 Loaded file: Genesis 8 Female Eyelashes.duf
2017-08-15 19:12:24.326 Loaded Morph Deltas in 0 min 0.0 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:24.361 Loaded Morph Deltas in 0 min 0.0 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:24.361 Loaded file: FBMVictoria8.dsf
2017-08-15 19:12:24.363 Loaded file: FHMVictoria8.dsf
2017-08-15 19:12:24.367 Loaded Morph Deltas in 0 min 0.0 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:24.368 Loaded file: PHMMouthRealism_HD_div2.dsf
2017-08-15 19:12:24.393 Loaded Morph Deltas in 0 min 0.0 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:24.393 Loaded file: PBMNavel.dsf
2017-08-15 19:12:24.404 Loaded Morph Deltas in 0 min 0.0 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:24.404 Loaded file: PHMEyelashesExpand.dsf
2017-08-15 19:12:24.534 File loaded in 0 min 0.0 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:24.535 Loaded file: Victoria 8 Eyelashes.duf
2017-08-15 19:12:24.537 Finished Loading Character Addons
2017-08-15 19:12:24.545 File loaded in 0 min 2.3 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:24.568 Loaded file: Victoria 8.duf
2017-08-15 19:12:25.111 Loaded image Victoria8LegsD_1003.jpg
2017-08-15 19:12:25.183 Loaded image Victoria8EyesD_1006.jpg
2017-08-15 19:12:25.376 Loaded image Victoria8ArmsD_1004.jpg
2017-08-15 19:12:25.445 Loaded image Victoria8MouthD_1005.jpg
2017-08-15 19:12:25.658 Loaded image Victoria8FaceD_1001.jpg
2017-08-15 19:12:25.852 Loaded image Victoria8TorsoD_1002.jpg
2017-08-15 19:12:25.915 Loaded image Victoria8Eyelashes_1001.jpg
2017-08-15 19:12:29.692 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:29.694 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:35.397 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:35.397 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:35.398 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:35.398 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:38.980 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:38.983 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:38.984 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile
2017-08-15 19:12:38.984 WARNING: libpng warning: iCCP: cHRM chunk does not match sRGB
2017-08-15 19:12:41.732 File loaded in 0 min 0.1 sec.
2017-08-15 19:12:41.732 Loaded file: Breast Control Puppeteer Genesis 8 Female.duf
 

Td3d said,     "dHandle, These two sets found here at Daz3d have one of those. 

https://www.daz3d.com/the-stellacaster-guitar-and-poses-for-genesis-3

https://www.daz3d.com/ef-acoustic-guitar (Victoria 4, Michael 4)"

yeah, I saw those.  

I need to find a freebie.

Maybe I could model my own in 3DS Max....

I just did a test in the new Pose blender between Victoria 7 and Olympia 8 and I was able to transfer Victorias pose to Olympia.

But with som clipping though if I transfered 100% of the pose, could be because olympia 8 has a bigger body morph than Victoria 7?  

Thank you, mats76. But that's what Bone Collector can do. https://www.daz3d.com/bone-doctor-pose-control

I Think this is an enhance version of it. The buyer of this version is just luckier than the previous one.

Bone Doctor and Pose Blender are separate products.  Pose Blender is not an enhancement of Bone Doctor.  Pose Blender, as JonStark stated, blends any two poses IF the bone names are the same.  Therefore, it cannot blend all bones between generations, except for G3 and G8 as they have the same bone hierarchy.  Bone Doctor contains a set of scripts for modifying the bones, such as relax, symmetry, etc, but does not do blending between 2 poses.

I just did a test in the new Pose blender between Victoria 7 and Olympia 8 and I was able to transfer Victorias pose to Olympia.

But with som clipping though if I transfered 100% of the pose, could be because olympia 8 has a bigger body morph than Victoria 7?  

Thank you, mats76. But that's what Bone Collector can do. https://www.daz3d.com/bone-doctor-pose-control

I Think this is an enhance version of it. The buyer of this version is just luckier than the previous one.