As it happens I just did one yesterday, posted on another thread in this forum.

It's Victoria 2 with one of Sydd's Dragonessa morphs (and headdress) and some old RDNA freebies for clothing. PP2014 render using Snarleygribbley's EZSkin 2.

There's still life in the old girl !

Here's BD Aspen for Victoria 8        Karissa Hair for Genesis 3 and 8 Females      FG Ultra Tee for Genesis 8 Female(s) ...

 

I love that hair - don't know how I missed it (perhaps it was released during my penniless phase). I'm very tempted as April's store is on sale, but I already blew a (small) fortune on SIckleyield and DestinysGarden in mega fastgrab today...

I want an adult male  with a face that doesn't look angry, really narrow,or with Vulcan or Victoria eyebrows. A guy I can morph into handsome hunks and please less Goth, Mohawks, and makeup.  Also please without victoria's hairline or orange skin, and whose eyes are easy to render. Please also include body hair, since adult men have that. Please make sure the genital textures of all characters are looked at by someone with an understanding of anatomy.

That is all

Here's BD Aspen for Victoria 8        Karissa Hair for Genesis 3 and 8 Females      FG Ultra Tee for Genesis 8 Female(s) 

Showing you the original and then after I tweaked the nose, mouth, and jaw width. I elongated the chin a bit but it doesn't really show much. I changed up the reflectivity/glossy a bit on the materials too.  FYI  Karissa Hair renders fast, for those of you with slower computers. 

Mine, with changes. Click back and forth between the two windows and you'll see the changes. I did a lot with the nostril wings and nostril height. The mouth is totally different. I also dislike puckering at the end of the mouth, so you can change the depth there and the puckers are softened.

And now it's time for the next one: pull #3.

2658 - i13 100 Essential Expressions for Victoria 7
3569 - Hayden for Young Teen
5517 - Dress Code Violation Outfit
596 - Genesis 3 Male(s) Expressions and Face AniBlocks

Hmm, so all I have to do is have Mike and Vicky sit there, mugging the camera, and we're good?  Works for me...!

Um, it turned out to be not quite as simple as that....

Also used:
Preppy for Genesis
Ashe for Genesis (Shoes)
Crazy Male Hair
Belle 6
Skyler Long Hair
FWSA Cole HD for Gianni 7
Adam Hair for Genesis 3 Male(s)
Everyday Casual Outfit for Genesis 3 Male(s)
Carmilla for Victoria 7
Casual Style for Genesis 3 Female(s)
Long Shag Hair for Genesis 3 Female(s)
i13 Steakhouse Environment
i13 Steakhouse Poses
Bijou for Genesis 2 Female (She seems to turn up in a lot of my renders; I wonder why...?)
Leyton Hair
Piratess for Genesis 2 Female(s)
Dinnerware for Iray
MHE: Glasses
Moonshine's Diner Interior II (Yep; there's a Tomalin something in everything I do!)
Diner Food 4

Okay, I've wrestled with this damned thing long enough!  I aborted the first render after an hour because there was a scaling issue with the food.  I aborted the second render after four hours due to an issue with the shaders applied to the glasses.  The third render ran for a little over nine hours (pretty much overnight, actually), when the system lapsed into a coma, and I had to restart.  I started the fourth render this morning, and after some six hours, it's still saying it's only 1% complete.

Well, screw it!  I'm entering it "as-is", graininess and all!  Like I said earlier, I'm gonna be dead in thirty years; I don't have time for this crap!

TAG: obanion#03

Title: Family Night Out: "Can't Take This Kid Anywhere!"
Back by popular demand, we're celebrating National 'Talk Like a Pirate Day' at the Sizzler Steakhouse!

Hayden's parents could always count on him to say or do something to embarrass his family in public; it was practically his superpower!  And he did not disappoint, when he told their waitress that she "can walk my plank anytime!"  His mother thought it was hysterical -- especially when the server 'returned fire'!  His dad..., um, not so much.

Server: "No, thanks, kid.  I have this rule: anytime I'm forced to fraternize outside my own species, I always at least try to date UP!"

Ken this is really neat - love it!

I would buy that if the brows were adjustable and they made a more universal brow which would’ve been the way to go...But they aren’t and the position of the eyebrows in Josie is different from where you might want them on Victoria 8 or Stephanie.

I suspect given the cobbled together nature of Stephanie’s bundle that this was a rush job and there was no time for development of the extras.

There is a flaw in this argument; the Stephanie and Josie body morphs were done well before the products were released. How else would other PAs be able to make content using them or to fit them?

If you are using Poser then you can buy support for Genesis 1 and Victoria 4 for Wardrobe Wizard. Wardrobe Wizard is included in Poser 11 and some earlier versions (I don't know how far back it goes), it is in the Pro versions, I don't know about the standard versions. Warbrobe Wizard can convert either way between any two figures that you have support for.

You can convert clothes from V4 to G2F with this. There's no equivalent product to convert from G2F to V4 as V4 can't use autofit at all.

However Evilinnocence's Crossdresser program (with the V4 licence) can be used to convert from G1 to V4, so if you have the G2 autofit clones for G1 you can first convert your clothes from G2F to G1, then use Xdresser to go from G1 to V4.

I would buy that if the brows were adjustable and they made a more universal brow which would’ve been the way to go...But they aren’t and the position of the eyebrows in Josie is different from where you might want them on Victoria 8 or Stephanie.

I suspect given the cobbled together nature of Stephanie’s bundle that this was a rush job and there was no time for development of the extras.

You have a good argument that if a base character is named after an earlier series base character, as in your request for Belle 8, that character should look substantially the same as the earlier series character. Belle 8 should look very similar to Belle 7 etc. Why else would you give them the same root name?

The named characters series are basically characters illustrating a given concept / style (anime for Aiko, stylized pinup for The Girl, and so on), so they can be quite different even if they share the same series name.

PAs will sometime use one of the named character as part of their characters as it's closer to what they intend to create than the default genesis base, so it saves them time.

Perhaps the notion of stereotypes was originally the idea. Certainly Victoria has remained somewhat similar, throughout the various generations. Aiko and The Girl are clearly different styles but now there are dozens of "6s" and "7s" (and "8s" to come) which actually don't look very similar to their coresponding predecessors. In many cases it is very UNclear what is "specific" concerning one "7" over another. Perhaps DAZ3d would care to clarify this?

Further, are you suggesting that PAs are so lazy or unskilled that they need to base their figures on a specific "6" or "7"; forcing their clients (us!) to have to buy a second character to get theirs? I doubt it. Consider Xanthe for Stephanie 8, are you seriously suggesting it was easier to get to her face from Stephanie 8 than it would have been to start from G8f base? Again, I doubt it.

 

Xanthe is not really using a lot Stephanie 8. It use only 5% of her.. Look the Stephanie 8 thread for more clarifications.

Thank you Atanacius, you make my point exactly. Xanthe is a character which does not really need to be based on Stephanie 8.

The original poster asked for Belle 8. I wonder if a character very much like Belle 7 were to be released, obviously using G8f as the base, but not as a new Base character in itself, just a separate character, would he not be happy? I suspect so. Me too.

You have a good argument that if a base character is named after an earlier series base character, as in your request for Belle 8, that character should look substantially the same as the earlier series character. Belle 8 should look very similar to Belle 7 etc. Why else would you give them the same root name?

The named characters series are basically characters illustrating a given concept / style (anime for Aiko, stylized pinup for The Girl, and so on), so they can be quite different even if they share the same series name.

PAs will sometime use one of the named character as part of their characters as it's closer to what they intend to create than the default genesis base, so it saves them time.

Perhaps the notion of stereotypes was originally the idea. Certainly Victoria has remained somewhat similar, throughout the various generations. Aiko and The Girl are clearly different styles but now there are dozens of "6s" and "7s" (and "8s" to come) which actually don't look very similar to their coresponding predecessors. In many cases it is very UNclear what is "specific" concerning one "7" over another. Perhaps DAZ3d would care to clarify this?

Further, are you suggesting that PAs are so lazy or unskilled that they need to base their figures on a specific "6" or "7"; forcing their clients (us!) to have to buy a second character to get theirs? I doubt it. Consider Xanthe for Stephanie 8, are you seriously suggesting it was easier to get to her face from Stephanie 8 than it would have been to start from G8f base? Again, I doubt it.

It looks like one or several of the dance pose sets from the shop, like

• https://www.daz3d.com/modern-dance-poses-for-genesis-8-female-and-victoria-8
• https://www.daz3d.com/classical-ballet-poses-for-genesis-2-female-s
• https://www.daz3d.com/60-ultimate-dance-poses-for-victoria-6

etc.

But your best bet is to ask the PA who created the set, as he did the renders himself, as far as I understood it. Here's the product thread: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/189631/just-released-flying-fabric-artistic-flowing-cloth-pieces-commercial#latest

I know that things have moved on since the olden days when Vitoria was queen but I still find lots of things for her to do. It would really help however if I could use the content I have for G2F on Victoria. I think I remember a v4 to G2f conversion thing but cant find anything by searching the forums, so if anyone can help it would be a real help.

Thank you

Greetings,

If the Devil told you this thread was illegal he was acting ultra vires. Only the forum mods have that power, and the forum mods are jealous mods.

Aaaand, you left yourself wide open for speculation as to whether or not forum moderators are the Devil...

I heard that if you bury a 3D printed model of an improperly clad Victoria at a crossroads you can summon a moderator.

Yeah, but 10 years later a hellhound lightning strike will destroy all copies of all of your content and scenes.  And you.  Sorry...buried the lede there.

--  Morgan

You have a good argument that if a base character is named after an earlier series base character, as in your request for Belle 8, that character should look substantially the same as the earlier series character. Belle 8 should look very similar to Belle 7 etc. Why else would you give them the same root name?

The named characters series are basically characters illustrating a given concept / style (anime for Aiko, stylized pinup for The Girl, and so on), so they can be quite different even if they share the same series name.

PAs will sometime use one of the named character as part of their characters as it's closer to what they intend to create than the default genesis base, so it saves them time.

Perhaps the notion of stereotypes was originally the idea. Certainly Victoria has remained somewhat similar, throughout the various generations. Aiko and The Girl are clearly different styles but now there are dozens of "6s" and "7s" (and "8s" to come) which actually don't look very similar to their coresponding predecessors. In many cases it is very UNclear what is "specific" concerning one "7" over another. Perhaps DAZ3d would care to clarify this?

Further, are you suggesting that PAs are so lazy or unskilled that they need to base their figures on a specific "6" or "7"; forcing their clients (us!) to have to buy a second character to get theirs? I doubt it. Consider Xanthe for Stephanie 8, are you seriously suggesting it was easier to get to her face from Stephanie 8 than it would have been to start from G8f base? Again, I doubt it.

If the Devil told you this thread was illegal he was acting ultra vires. Only the forum mods have that power, and the forum mods are jealous mods.

Aaaand, you left yourself wide open for speculation as to whether or not forum moderators are the Devil...

I heard that if you bury a 3D printed model of an improperly clad Victoria at a crossroads you can summon a moderator.

@wolf359, your render is very good. But you can't seem much of the body. The eyes are completely covered, but you have done a good job with the beard and facial skin texture. I mentioned that there are instances where professional renders of the Genesis characters can look human but you also appear to have rendered that in cycles not Iray which by itself means you've done a lot of tweeking. I'm guessing you also did a cloth sim in blender.

Please allow this copypasta from wikipedia "In aesthetics, the uncanny valley is the hypothesis that human replicas which appear almost, but not exactly, like real human beings elicit feelings of eeriness and revulsion (or uncanniness) among some observers."

I hate to single out specific examples,because I don't really want to cause offense to the artists involved in making these products.. but look at these examples from the front page store selected for the feelings I get of ... not quite human and not quite right.

 

 

 

Just three examples among hundreds. Human faces just don't look like this. I've been rendering for over 10 years and I have examples of V4 from 10 years ago that look as good if not better in terms of realism.

I'm just surprised that despite improvements in rendering technology such a PBR the models don't appear to have improved much in 10 years, it took 3 years for the A pose and removable eyebrows... Is that the best DAZ can offer in terms of model quality.

The focus has been on Maps over geometry for genesis despite graphics cards being able to handle far more polys than ever before. I work with game engines 'unity', 'Unreal' and 'Godot' and I know they prefer to work with lower poly models for performance, but DAZ models shouldn't have that restriction because the focus tends to be single image renders. Besides V4 offered 4 lower poly levels of detail for multi character performance rendering at a distance where as the stock single level of detail on genesis has been lower poly than V4 and using subdivision to present a smooth geometry. I think the problem is that this loss of geometry means detail is shifted to the bump/normal maps and most artists find it hard to get this to work as well in renders. So facial features, body marks and details appear overly smoothed like shrink wrap has been applied to a human face.

 

 

I'll add my opinion to this, because I feel the same way about G8, although my opinion is not as sharp.

I think the 1st picture looks OK because of the nature of that particular character, IMO it's not intended to be overly realistic. In the 2nd picture, keep in mind that 3DUniverse's characters always have a bit of a cartoonish appearance, it's part of its style.

The 2nd and 3rd share a common (and quite common in general) problem with the lips: not many people have lips that big. Also, the G8 expressions are too much aimed at a specific age target (V8, as in the Daz character, not the engine) to look good on younger models.

IMO the younger character produced by the Daz company are the least convincing. Julie 5 was OK, and Belle 6 was an improvement, but I couldn't find use for Josie 7, Julie 7 or Josie 8. Julie 7 and Josie 8 don't feel like what a girl looks like to me, plain and simple. I'm talkin' heads (not the band, I mean I'm talking about the characters' heads). I'm not going to discuss what a minor body should look like, sorry.

Luckily Zev0 made the awesome Growing Up line of products, and those return way better results from the renders I see. Also there are products like Jojo, Princess Leila and others that are pretty convincing. Kyla is not a child character, but I bet she'd do for a very nice one.

IMO Daz characters come with very good and "special" bundled hair and clothes, but I'm beginning to feel like they are engineered to set a pace for the PA's releases and not as real standalone models. Josie 8 released = other teen characters appear. Victoria is a flagship of the company so she's not sold this way (this sounds like digital slavery).

Bottom line: either the Daz co. doesn't want to sell very well done children and teens (because they're family friendly so they won't participate in digital grilled underage slavery, only in digital adult slavery), or their anatomy knowledge and competence goes to 0 below 18. I can understand it may be difficult to explain to authorities that some of your employees need to study child anatomy. They should outsource this job to the PAs that are showing capable.

Please note that any reference to slavery is just a joke based on the fact that on the store you can buy characters. I'm not crazy enough to challenge Daz on their forum. Have a good day, and le'ts hope the next offer will be for a really realistic young slave (?). Let's also hope Django didn't hear me.

Still has an extremely masculine face. Diversity is fine and all, but Victoria 8 and Olympia 8 are already masculine women.

Agree... So far the only G8 Daz model I like is Josie when mixed into G8... If I'm missing enough items from previous pro models, I may get the bundle, but so far not enthralled at all with G8 and really appreciating the beauty of G3...

is there any way to get victoria 4 clothing to work with genesis 8 without having to meticulously pose everything by hand?

Autofit the clothing to Genesis, and then autofit that to Genesis 8 (since G8F has a Genesis clone)

is there any way to get victoria 4 clothing to work with genesis 8 without having to meticulously pose everything by hand?