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In the image to the right, the main Woodlands Promo, I used a white infinite plane and placed the central ground as the main point, placed it so that the white plane shows where water flows if the water isn't turned off.

All of the custom plants that come with the set are placed out in front of that.

The stacks of cards behind it are models of cardboard RPG-style gaming tiles that I made for each of the scene presets.

Next to them, to the right, are the smaller chunks of terrain which are populated by hand.

The next size up isn't done in the same scale as these game pieces and is to the left behind the box. That one includes the new berries I included in the form of wild cranberry trees, along with other shrubs as well as the rest of the trees and deadwood and such.

The big one in the very back to the right looks a LOT SMALLER in this image than what it really is. I love that piece but it can slow down the performance of the working view after duplicating it a few times! To avoid that sluggness, I just set the replicator to not show in 3d view. Bang... zippy fast control resumes! ;)

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Thanks for the very clear details. I really must remember to grab Woodland Realms next time it's on sale or I have a few extra $s. I'd watched "Building a scene (using Daz3d Palenque Ruins) in Woodlands" long ago... probably the "Getting Started with Woodlands" also... bookmarked both to help me remember more often how badly I want it... already, long ago, added to my wishlist.

Speaking of not showing in "3d view"... I've lately been using it or checking the 'visible' box... both are invaluable. I thought about that for a terrain that I, you or anyone creates which is only for background. Hmm... first set up camera angle... next hide/make visible... probably at some point load in a temporary backdrop image and temporary infinite plane or just a large plane for quick renders... finally go to town on the main smaller terrain.

Oh... and I also like to use the atmospheric fog from the Realistic Sky Editor!

Probably why your scenes always look *very* good.

OT: In your posts... how do you get text next to a pic?  I'm thinking that you might be using the table function but probably wrong... tried in my earlier post here without using table with no luck.

Back on topic... This is a great thread for anyone having questions/problems with the Terrain Editor and anything related to it!

I'm going absolutely crazy here.  Installed DSON made sure all of the Gen, Gen2 and Gen3 basic files are in a directory labeled genesis starter essentials.  Can't find a usable runtime from within Poser 11. 

Facts:  I'm running Windows 10 with DazStudio 4.9 and Poser 11.  I want to be able to access the newer materials from DAZ in Poser because I want to export to Vue 2015.  Anyt help would be appreciated.  Library in DAZ no longer has a central runtime.

Oh yes! The Replicator is a lot more useful for certain things than the surface replicator, which is altogether more useful for following uneven landscapes.

Like placing things on flat surfaces... bam. More control with how they're (replications) are placed!

Also...

Thank Phil! I've never tried seemless replications before... gonna have to try that!!!

Also...

For 'hiding' the distant transition between sky and ground, I love the ability to make a giant terrain piece, where I darken the center of the map so it goes below my main, central landscape - which will have much more detail - especially in the textures. That's how I made the EnvironKits. Two large background terrains are there... but the one that's a lot smaller and closer to the camera is set to invisible by default. 

So I have a huge bit of terrain surrounding the whole scene, yet deep enough in the center to run way below my central area. This works great (for me) because now, if I use water, I have a floor - even if I don't model one separately.

Now I work out my central piece, which I like to be nice and flat all around the camera area for ease of walk cycles, building placements, etc.,

I spent many days, many hours each day, getting that part just the way I finally liked it.

Now I make smaller pieces that I can use to rough up that flat area if I want to. Intersting thing about that was that I could populate those smaller pieces with plant life (and death) using hand placement of everything, and then those whole groups can be duplicated, rotated, translated... I found that to be a lot more controllable than replicating everything.

I made a larger chunk for adding height in the near backgrounds, but they're detailed enough to bring into the foreground with the rest of the main scene. That one uses a replicator. Lately I've been duplicating that replicator, and choosing: "Create New" in the dialog, so that I can have tress much closer - a lot more dense and populated - making for an excellent backdrop of dense forest! ;)

In the image to the right, the main Woodlands Promo, I used a white infinite plane and placed the central ground as the main point, placed it so that the white plane shows where water flows if the water isn't turned off.

All of the custom plants that come with the set are placed out in front of that.

The stacks of cards behind it are models of cardboard RPG-style gaming tiles that I made for each of the scene presets.

Next to them, to the right, are the smaller chunks of terrain which are populated by hand.

The next size up isn't done in the same scale as these game pieces and is to the left behind the box. That one includes the new berries I included in the form of wild cranberry trees, along with other shrubs as well as the rest of the trees and deadwood and such.

The big one in the very back to the right looks a LOT SMALLER in this image than what it really is. I love that piece but it can slow down the preformance of the working view after duplicating it a few times! To avoid that sluggness, I just set the replicator to now show in 3d view. Bang... zippy fast control resumes! ;)

Here's my initial instruction videos on Woodlands:

Getting Started with Woodlands

Building a scene (using Daz3d Palenque Ruins) in Woodlands

Hi Szark,

 

of cause several thousands of iterations result in a high quality render. The question is, how long needs the render engine. This depends on the hardware, but most of all on the scene itself.

I had an interior scene with only some sunlight entering through the windows. After a full night (over 12 hours) it reached around 20%, but only that little grainy so I could accept it.
That's the central point: It mostly depends on the type of light sources. The more indirect light flow, the (way) longer it takes.
And indirect light flow includes emissive areas as lights and even spotlights using an area capacity. That's what you often use to have softer shadows / lights.

morning coffee and render viewing fix..... 

I was in a supermarket the other day. On the shelf was a kitchen utensil for shredding cheese. The sign was in big bold letters. GATER. I think mistakes like this often result from people being expected to do to much for too little pay. Which has been happening in this country for decades. We've just about concluded our race to the bottom.

A local grocery chain has, as an overhead product locator sign, "Can juice, Glass, juice, Fruit juice". First question is how anyone could juice a can or glass jar; second question is who would want to purchase the result.

A cultural phenom that North American grocery stores were faced with is some Central and South American counties is the label often shows what's inside the can. So a trip down the cat food and dog food isle can be an eye opening experience for some shoppers..

Interesting.

I just tried that with unusual results.

When I import the fbx to Sketchfab the mesh is great but all the component parts are on top of each other in the centre

When I import the fbx to DAZ, everything is in the right place but the mesh is corrupted

When import the fbx back into Carrara, the mesh is corrupted and the component parts are in the wrong position but not all central.

Bt corrupted I mean that the mesh has large triangular polygons that reflect light poorly. A good mesh is totally smooth.

Hmmmm

I can't keep up.... olympic proportions here -- awesome stuff 

 

Thanks Howie, and there could be a bank interior addon for it soon (complete with vault, gold, deposit boxes, manager's office, agent stations etc) - subject to enough interest and it being accepted.

WIP, not final textures.

 

What you have given so far is perfect. Although I already have furnishings and vaults from other artists to put in this building and other buildings (different time period), I am willing to add your furnishings too. Either to this or to the other buildings such as Maclean's The Center. Perhaps the ticket booth of Central Station. I like to mix and match artists works. As long as I can greenscreen live actors in, either behind an object or in front, I am happy with it. I have three different vaults so far, so its good enough to suggest there is the vault with safe deposit boxes behind a door. Props maybe such as pen on wire secured to the table or calendar or toaster with each new account. Paper deposit slip or withdrawal slip in the table to write it on. Oh and a tiny deposit book or passbook (I'll take a photo of one from the 1920s and post it if needed). 1970s stuff. Curious to see what you come up with.

Ok, here are some of what I would call 'must know' shortcut keys. Besides the g(rab,) s(cale,) and r(otate) keys, the w (specials menu,) ctl+tab (switches between verts, faces and edges in edit mode,) ctl+v (verts menu,) ctl+e (edge menu,) ctl+f (faces menu.) are all much fundamental and one should get used to what is on each menu. A lot of what we want to do is right there as far as modeling. There are a number of other shortcut keys that are helpful such as snap, proportional editing, etc... but the previous ones give so much bang for the buck that they are pretty much a must.
The snap menu is pretty important but unfortunately I think there needs to be a redesign on how Blender handles origin points, snapping and the 3D cursor as it's too convoluted and often a big issue for people using Blender from what I've seen. I'm not new to Blender but I still have issues at times remembering how to do tasks related to these at times if I've stepped away from the program for a good amount of time. That shouldn't happen for something so central. It means that the process is not intuitive.
My goal is to do my own menu system with a limited and more optimized shortcut key setup that pulls up menus for various functions in a much more intuitive manner. If I had unlimited time, it would be done already.

A note: I do find myself using the spacebar menu much more lately but for new people it's not as helpful as some people think since they don't know what a function is even called often.

indeed; I know what I'm looking for, but have forgotten its name; not found it so far. :)

Ok, here are some of what I would call 'must know' shortcut keys. Besides the g(rab,) s(cale,) and r(otate) keys, the w (specials menu,) ctl+tab (switches between verts, faces and edges in edit mode,) ctl+v (verts menu,) ctl+e (edge menu,) ctl+f (faces menu.) are all much fundamental and one should get used to what is on each menu. A lot of what we want to do is right there as far as modeling. There are a number of other shortcut keys that are helpful such as snap, proportional editing, etc... but the previous ones give so much bang for the buck that they are pretty much a must.
The snap menu is pretty important but unfortunately I think there needs to be a redesign on how Blender handles origin points, snapping and the 3D cursor as it's too convoluted and often a big issue for people using Blender from what I've seen. I'm not new to Blender but I still have issues at times remembering how to do tasks related to these at times if I've stepped away from the program for a good amount of time. That shouldn't happen for something so central. It means that the process is not intuitive.
My goal is to do my own menu system with a limited and more optimized shortcut key setup that pulls up menus for various functions in a much more intuitive manner. If I had unlimited time, it would be done already.

A note: I do find myself using the spacebar menu much more lately but for new people it's not as helpful as some people think since they don't know what a function is even called often.

 

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the early days of photoshopped?  ;o;

Now that is just too much hair right there.  Like hair to infinity squared. 

Can anyone say "hot wax?"

I meant to quote tjohn's post.  I quoted the wrong post.  Quote does not like me tonight.

 

...I remember spinning hot wax as a DJ bck when radio still had a human element.

I'll bet that was fun. :-)  Almost everything nowadays on the radio sounds the same.  Makes me want to go hunt down the golden oldies.  Like heavy metal and the runaways. 

 I call it "homogenization".  It's a fine tuned attribute of modern commerciallism.

But it isn't "old" unless it was written by guys in powdered wigs and stinky wool suits.   But the very fact that some of their music is still played means it has survived a half dozen generations (more or less). The cream rose to the top.  Each generation found something about some of it that endured. Something about some of it made it "classic". 

But if you dig deep enough into the archives of that old music and dig up the crusty ashes you find that a lot of it was boringly homogenous, unoriginal and clumsily constructed too.  But like all arts, some of the devotees deeply involved can't bring themselves to admit that in some cases the Emperor has no clothes and happily throw the ashes around just because they're there.

It isn't really true that the stuff in the central repertory today has lasted - Vivaldi dropped out of sight for centuries, both Sibelius and Mahler were pretty much neglected in much of the world for several decades.

I admit, some of the ashes prematurely buried are still glowing and if they land on tinder they can rekindle.  Some of it was ahead of its time. others though had its day and blew away.   Just like 99 and 44/100ths % of todays music.  Oh, and except for a couple pieces, I feel that most of the revived Vivaldi and Rossini should have stayed buried."   And even some of Beethoven should be reburied.  But that's sacrilege.

And of course this is just me being opinionated.  But being without an opinion scares the hell out of me..  Mustn't become an unthinking sheep.  And don't for a minute think this is a serious conversation.  This is, after all, a complaint thread.

 

...the later works of Liszt actually fit better with the Impressionistic period.  I consider even Chopin to have been ahead of his time.

As to Beethoven, I especially like his later quartets.  Interestingly I am not a huge fan of Mozart and some of his contemporaries (though I do like Haydn) which for some may be considered "heresy".  I felt both the Baroque and Romantic periods which bookended the "classical" era to have more expression and feeling.

Yeah, not a huge fan of Mozart but a few do catch me.  Hayden however, seems terribly overrated, but that's OK,  Beethoven teased out Hayden's good parts and made them bloom.

Youtube exposes me to several musicians that I never heard of before and some of it grabs me for the first or second hearing but then the newness wears off and they mostly just don't drop into my list of favorites.  Interesting but not memorable.  Most of my favorite classical music, as opposed to music of the "Classic" period (pre/post 1800) comes from the "Romantic" period (pre/post 1900)  Rachmaninoff being my hands down favorite.  The complexity, the melodies, the energy, the power, the emotion.  Makes me shiver.  Every time.  Never gets boring for me.

 

 

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the early days of photoshopped?  ;o;

Now that is just too much hair right there.  Like hair to infinity squared. 

Can anyone say "hot wax?"

I meant to quote tjohn's post.  I quoted the wrong post.  Quote does not like me tonight.

 

...I remember spinning hot wax as a DJ bck when radio still had a human element.

Depends on what you listen to.  Providence R.I. has 94.1 WHJY...the Home of Rock 'n' Roll.  You can listen online at their website, and I think also on Iheartradio.  Very human DJ's.  And they spin vinyl now and then, now that it's made a bit of a resurgence.  Paul and Al in the mornings (until 10:00 am) are pretty funny...Al does great impressions.  On Thursdays then have a contest...Stump the DJ.  Call in with your joke and see if you can stump them.  It's not easy.  Between them they seem to know the punchline to every joke ever told.  But sometimes the prizes are really good.  And someone has to win...best joke wins.  I think I only remember one time when they didn't give out the prize because the jokes were lame and predictable to the point of silliness.  Often the prize is $94, and a tee shirt that shows Paul and Al and says "I stumped the DJ" (I think - never won it).  Sometimes a local Toyota dealer donates prizes.  Sometimes he makes it big...$940, plus concert tickets sometimes.  One time it was $94 plus a nice leather jacket.  The only time the broadcast is automated is on special holiday weekends...sometimes.

Dana

...nothing like that out here, just stupid semi shock jock rubbish. 

I miss that kind of radio.  We had DJs like that back in Milwaukee when I was growing up.  Call ins were really interesting as many people still had dial instead of push button phones back then .

Still remember getting WABC from New York in as clear as a bell every evening from about 22:00 until around 03:30 Central time (ahh when AM radio was still good and not just filled with lame talk and politico shows like it is today).  Used to listen to Charlie Greer when he did the All Night show.  Loved the old Dennison's Clothier commercials "Money talks and nobody walks..."

 

monkey back guarantee

the early days of photoshopped?  ;o;

Now that is just too much hair right there.  Like hair to infinity squared. 

Can anyone say "hot wax?"

I meant to quote tjohn's post.  I quoted the wrong post.  Quote does not like me tonight.

 

...I remember spinning hot wax as a DJ bck when radio still had a human element.

I'll bet that was fun. :-)  Almost everything nowadays on the radio sounds the same.  Makes me want to go hunt down the golden oldies.  Like heavy metal and the runaways. 

 I call it "homogenization".  It's a fine tuned attribute of modern commerciallism.

But it isn't "old" unless it was written by guys in powdered wigs and stinky wool suits.   But the very fact that some of their music is still played means it has survived a half dozen generations (more or less). The cream rose to the top.  Each generation found something about some of it that endured. Something about some of it made it "classic". 

But if you dig deep enough into the archives of that old music and dig up the crusty ashes you find that a lot of it was boringly homogenous, unoriginal and clumsily constructed too.  But like all arts, some of the devotees deeply involved can't bring themselves to admit that in some cases the Emperor has no clothes and happily throw the ashes around just because they're there.

It isn't really true that the stuff in the central repertory today has lasted - Vivaldi dropped out of sight for centuries, both Sibelius and Mahler were pretty much neglected in much of the world for several decades.

I admit, some of the ashes prematurely buried are still glowing and if they land on tinder they can rekindle.  Some of it was ahead of its time. others though had its day and blew away.   Just like 99 and 44/100ths % of todays music.  Oh, and except for a couple pieces, I feel that most of the revived Vivaldi and Rossini should have stayed buried."   And even some of Beethoven should be reburied.  But that's sacrilege.

And of course this is just me being opinionated.  But being without an opinion scares the hell out of me..  Mustn't become an unthinking sheep.  And don't for a minute think this is a serious conversation.  This is, after all, a complaint thread.

 

...the later works of Liszt actually fit better with the Impressionistic period.  I consider even Chopin to have been ahead of his time.

As to Beethoven, I especially like his later quartets.  Interestingly I am not a huge fan of Mozart and some of his contemporaries (though I do like Haydn) which for some may be considered "heresy".  I felt both the Baroque and Romantic periods which bookended the "classical" era to have more expression and feeling.

 

monkey back guarantee

the early days of photoshopped?  ;o;

Now that is just too much hair right there.  Like hair to infinity squared. 

Can anyone say "hot wax?"

I meant to quote tjohn's post.  I quoted the wrong post.  Quote does not like me tonight.

 

...I remember spinning hot wax as a DJ bck when radio still had a human element.

I'll bet that was fun. :-)  Almost everything nowadays on the radio sounds the same.  Makes me want to go hunt down the golden oldies.  Like heavy metal and the runaways. 

 I call it "homogenization".  It's a fine tuned attribute of modern commerciallism.

But it isn't "old" unless it was written by guys in powdered wigs and stinky wool suits.   But the very fact that some of their music is still played means it has survived a half dozen generations (more or less). The cream rose to the top.  Each generation found something about some of it that endured. Something about some of it made it "classic". 

But if you dig deep enough into the archives of that old music and dig up the crusty ashes you find that a lot of it was boringly homogenous, unoriginal and clumsily constructed too.  But like all arts, some of the devotees deeply involved can't bring themselves to admit that in some cases the Emperor has no clothes and happily throw the ashes around just because they're there.

It isn't really true that the stuff in the central repertory today has lasted - Vivaldi dropped out of sight for centuries, both Sibelius and Mahler were pretty much neglected in much of the world for several decades.

...it was interesting though that the music of Bach gined popularity from two seemingly unlikely sources: Wendy (then Walter) Carlos and the Switched on Bach albums where his music was realised on the early Moog synthesiser and Virgil Fox with his Heavy Organ concerts where Fox toured with a large classical styled electronic organ and accompanying light show playing at such venues as Winterland and Filmore East. 

On the  more academic side, there was the revival of baroque period instrumentation in the 1970s including the renaissance of the harpsichord (spearheaded by Hubbard, Dowd, and Zuckermann here in the States) and return to traditional baroque organ building practises (Flentrop of Holland, Von Beckrath of Germany and Brombaugh here in the US) which allowed for more historically accurate interpretation of his music.  This also led to a greater interest in other baroque composers as well such as Vivaldi Handel, Scarlatti, Rameau, Telemann Corelli and Soler.

The "baroque revival" in turn rekindled an interest in traditional performance of earlier music from the mediaeval and renaissance eras as well, which included the reconstruction of instruments from those periods and even use of different tuning temperaments.   I've actually played on a small positif organ tuned in Meantone (the temperament used during the mediaeval days) and it sounds quite different from the tuning we use today.

 

monkey back guarantee

the early days of photoshopped?  ;o;

Now that is just too much hair right there.  Like hair to infinity squared. 

Can anyone say "hot wax?"

I meant to quote tjohn's post.  I quoted the wrong post.  Quote does not like me tonight.

 

...I remember spinning hot wax as a DJ bck when radio still had a human element.

I'll bet that was fun. :-)  Almost everything nowadays on the radio sounds the same.  Makes me want to go hunt down the golden oldies.  Like heavy metal and the runaways. 

 I call it "homogenization".  It's a fine tuned attribute of modern commerciallism.

But it isn't "old" unless it was written by guys in powdered wigs and stinky wool suits.   But the very fact that some of their music is still played means it has survived a half dozen generations (more or less). The cream rose to the top.  Each generation found something about some of it that endured. Something about some of it made it "classic". 

But if you dig deep enough into the archives of that old music and dig up the crusty ashes you find that a lot of it was boringly homogenous, unoriginal and clumsily constructed too.  But like all arts, some of the devotees deeply involved can't bring themselves to admit that in some cases the Emperor has no clothes and happily throw the ashes around just because they're there.

It isn't really true that the stuff in the central repertory today has lasted - Vivaldi dropped out of sight for centuries, both Sibelius and Mahler were pretty much neglected in much of the world for several decades.

I admit, some of the ashes prematurely buried are still glowing and if they land on tinder they can rekindle.  Some of it was ahead of its time. others though had its day and blew away.   Just like 99 and 44/100ths % of todays music.  Oh, and except for a couple pieces, I feel that most of the revived Vivaldi and Rossini should have stayed buried."   And even some of Beethoven should be reburied.  But that's sacrilege.

And of course this is just me being opinionated.  But being without an opinion scares the hell out of me..  Mustn't become an unthinking sheep.  And don't for a minute think this is a serious conversation.  This is, after all, a complaint thread.

 

 

monkey back guarantee

the early days of photoshopped?  ;o;

Now that is just too much hair right there.  Like hair to infinity squared. 

Can anyone say "hot wax?"

I meant to quote tjohn's post.  I quoted the wrong post.  Quote does not like me tonight.

 

...I remember spinning hot wax as a DJ bck when radio still had a human element.

I'll bet that was fun. :-)  Almost everything nowadays on the radio sounds the same.  Makes me want to go hunt down the golden oldies.  Like heavy metal and the runaways. 

 I call it "homogenization".  It's a fine tuned attribute of modern commerciallism.

But it isn't "old" unless it was written by guys in powdered wigs and stinky wool suits.   But the very fact that some of their music is still played means it has survived a half dozen generations (more or less). The cream rose to the top.  Each generation found something about some of it that endured. Something about some of it made it "classic". 

But if you dig deep enough into the archives of that old music and dig up the crusty ashes you find that a lot of it was boringly homogenous, unoriginal and clumsily constructed too.  But like all arts, some of the devotees deeply involved can't bring themselves to admit that in some cases the Emperor has no clothes and happily throw the ashes around just because they're there.

It isn't really true that the stuff in the central repertory today has lasted - Vivaldi dropped out of sight for centuries, both Sibelius and Mahler were pretty much neglected in much of the world for several decades.

Richard, that's deep.  Clair de Lune survived.  I think I'm out of my league.

 

 

monkey back guarantee

the early days of photoshopped?  ;o;

Now that is just too much hair right there.  Like hair to infinity squared. 

Can anyone say "hot wax?"

I meant to quote tjohn's post.  I quoted the wrong post.  Quote does not like me tonight.

 

...I remember spinning hot wax as a DJ bck when radio still had a human element.

I'll bet that was fun. :-)  Almost everything nowadays on the radio sounds the same.  Makes me want to go hunt down the golden oldies.  Like heavy metal and the runaways. 

 I call it "homogenization".  It's a fine tuned attribute of modern commerciallism.

But it isn't "old" unless it was written by guys in powdered wigs and stinky wool suits.   But the very fact that some of their music is still played means it has survived a half dozen generations (more or less). The cream rose to the top.  Each generation found something about some of it that endured. Something about some of it made it "classic". 

But if you dig deep enough into the archives of that old music and dig up the crusty ashes you find that a lot of it was boringly homogenous, unoriginal and clumsily constructed too.  But like all arts, some of the devotees deeply involved can't bring themselves to admit that in some cases the Emperor has no clothes and happily throw the ashes around just because they're there.

It isn't really true that the stuff in the central repertory today has lasted - Vivaldi dropped out of sight for centuries, both Sibelius and Mahler were pretty much neglected in much of the world for several decades.

When I click into Central Station nothing shows up. Is there a problem with this set?

it is CST which is Central time in North America one timezone west of Eastern. GMT-6 so at 0600 GMT on Sunday morning.

What time zone are you in?