Hello.

Does anyone experienced Headshop 12 (either for Gen 3 or Gen 8) to have better results than the previous versions? And I mean REALLY better results.

imo the Headshop plugin is actually a bit of a dissapointment .   :(

i have it but not installed still running 11 and just started using it actually. the app is interesting and the ease of use, time saving are some of its strong points. If the dev can actually come with a solution to blending the face texture and body texture nicely, i think it will be a game changer.

Within the offers from promo banners "Extended Gift Card Flash Sale", "HEADSHOP", "Wizards, Ninjas and Creatures..." and purple one for owning Dain 8 Pro Bundle (because I made purchase before 30th January) I got 39% discount for $200 Gift Card and 45% for $300 Gift Card. Even if in order to get it I have to put few products (that I'm not interested in) I think that it's a lot of money for future savings. But, It's a shame I putting my money away for something else. 
PS. If I bought also Dain Fantasy Bundle the discount would be even greater. Now are the best times for Gift Card offers.

That may be the issue. I believe Headshop needs both Daz Studio AND Genesis 8 to be installed in the default location on C drive as thats where it searches for the G8F figure.

I got headshop 12.   I had no problem with the installation, but when i go to use it the window where you import the image is too small and cuts off part of ther options.  So I can import the image i want to use but can not apply it *the apply button is not visible).   I have tried a few times to adjust the size of the window but nothing works.  Any help would be appreciated

Please try to adjust your screen resolution down. There's an issue when using ultra-high (5K) screens, but they can be adjusted down to 3K or less.

Can we FIX this issue? I just discovered your product and am quite interested, but I'm also planning to buy a 4k monitor soon and this seems like a pretty basic UI-scaling/compatibility issue that should have been addressed before shipping the product. Lowering resolution might be a short-term workaround for a small percentage of users, but this is not an acceptable solution for a $50~100 product.

Please address the sacaling bug and release an update if you want more customers. One simple way is to base the scaling, as the OP implied, on WINDOW size instead of SCREEN RESOLUTION. Make sure everything fits within the current program window. Also, adding hotkeys for things like Apply and Cancel can help in these situations, or even letting the dialog window in question SCROLL its own overflow content so you can get to the button in question.

I was both curious and perterbed when I saw the note on the product page that said to avoid using with a 4k monitor... and google led me to this thread.

We are working on a fix, patience. Meanwhile you can do this:

I got headshop 12.   I had no problem with the installation, but when i go to use it the window where you import the image is too small and cuts off part of ther options.  So I can import the image i want to use but can not apply it *the apply button is not visible).   I have tried a few times to adjust the size of the window but nothing works.  Any help would be appreciated

Please try to adjust your screen resolution down. There's an issue when using ultra-high (5K) screens, but they can be adjusted down to 3K or less.

The error message is attached.

I'm using two 2560x1440 side by side.

What has this got to do with the screen resolution?

You are right. This means that you have to redirect your Library preferences - or place your figure in My DAZ 3D Library/Runtime

I got headshop 12.   I had no problem with the installation, but when i go to use it the window where you import the image is too small and cuts off part of ther options.  So I can import the image i want to use but can not apply it *the apply button is not visible).   I have tried a few times to adjust the size of the window but nothing works.  Any help would be appreciated

Please try to adjust your screen resolution down. There's an issue when using ultra-high (5K) screens, but they can be adjusted down to 3K or less.

The error message is attached.

I'm using two 2560x1440 side by side.

What has this got to do with the screen resolution?

"One thing that both Headshop and Face Transfer do is they do not use the eye texture of the photo you use at all. If you look that is probably just the base genesis 8 eye texture tinted brown. I am not sure if Face Transfer tinted it brown itself, or what. Facegen actually makes an eye texture, but it is terrible and I very rarely ever use it. So I know why the other two apps would avoid it. Its just impossible to do because you rarely get a photo where the full iris is visible. So for my pics I just tinted the eyes brown. I later made an eye texture using the facegen eye as sort of a guide for the color."

Outrider, it is partially true; HeadShop DOES use eyetexture on Gen 2, but not on Gen 3 or Gen 8. The reason is that those two figures are built with independent eye maps. And yes, even FaceTransfer is substituting eye textures for real textures.

dave230, the source textures are Genesis 8 itself. This goes for all 3 software. You can confirm this easily by comparing your face texture the base genesis 8 female face textures. Everything lines up. Where you see the brow is the outer edge of where the software starts applying the face from the photo you use. All 3 apps have an edge where the face gets applied. Eyebrows go just far enough to go beyond the boundaries of most of these types of software. As a reminder, Facegen allows you to replace these default textures and use and use any set of textures you like. You could even use a male set if you really wanted to, though the results might not be great since the UVs are different.

One thing that both Headshop and Face Transfer do is they do not use the eye texture of the photo you use at all. If you look that is probably just the base genesis 8 eye texture tinted brown. I am not sure if Face Transfer tinted it brown itself, or what. Facegen actually makes an eye texture, but it is terrible and I very rarely ever use it. So I know why the other two apps would avoid it. Its just impossible to do because you rarely get a photo where the full iris is visible. So for my pics I just tinted the eyes brown. I later made an eye texture using the facegen eye as sort of a guide for the color.

I tired using the photo Mart1n71 used in Facegen. I do not have the light set used, so I am just using a white spotlight and distant light like I do for some simple portraits. I dialed the face shape in at 80% rather than 100.

For kicks I applied a Bluejaunt girl's texture preset and swapped the base color textures back in. I thought it was interesting. The trans maps of the bluejaunte character have no painted on eyebrow, which is why the brow is faded looking. A quick trip to GIMP or similar could change that.

Edit: I'm adding another render of her with the Bluejaunte girl's skin preset, but this time I dropped the translucency to 55, which allows the base color textures from Facegen to be more visible.

I think that is getting there. Though that does go beyond what the test was about...which is how it does "out of the box". Facegen offers a lot more control IMO, but maybe does not offer the out of the box look of Face Transfer. This has more to do with the quality of the default base genesis 8 than Facegen, IMO.

I suppose the Face Transfer with PhilW's Shapes wins this particular round, but I have some real issues with that. Nothing against PhilW, its a great product, but that we need to buy an add on to make Face Transfer actually work is just terrible. Without his product, Face Transfer's result is pretty pathetic. If you judge this without his product, I would say Facegen wins easily. It matches the textures and produces a reasonable result. Looking at the pics, I think Facegen blended the textures better, on Mart1n71's post it looks like there are still signs of where the photo was blended in as the face is lighter than the rest of the skin. In my render using the default genesis 8 settings, it is much harder to spot this. It would appear that Face Transfer is doing something to the surfaces, because those do not look like the default genesis 8 skin settings. Either that or it is the lighting.

There have been reports that dialog boxes are distorted on high-res monitors (see Pict 1).

We are working on a permanent fix, but for now there is a quick easy fix.

1. Right click on the desktop and ask for Dispaly Manager.

2. Change scale to 100%.

3. Restart HeadShop. Your screen should look right:

Headshop 12 for Genesis8 takes forever to load and when the image is loded it throws the error:

"Daz model not found."

Headshop 12 has been installed as described in the video on the store page.

I honestly cannot think of a single advantage for Daz Face Transfer over the other 2 aside from its price, and its a Daz Original...I guess? Both Facegen and Headshop have vastly more features than Face Transfer.

Facegen limits its source texture resolution to 1024 x 1024.   I think Face Transfer use the full source texture resolution, so the face map has much more detail.  You can tell the difference, because when I use FG, the eyebrows are sometimes blurry, but when I use FT on the same picture, the eyebrows have much finer details.

 

In the most recent update of FG, which came out late last year, the maps are now 4096 by 4096. 

Headshop 12, Face Transfer, Face Transfer plus FTS @ 100%

No textures applied. G8F Base included as comparison.

Wow, FTS is amazing. I knew Face Transfer by itself is not so good as I have it and haven't used it since I bought it but with this comparison FTS is going in my wishlist.

The Headshop face looks terrible to me.

Headshop 12, Face Transfer, Face Transfer plus FTS @ 100%

No textures applied. G8F Base included as comparison.

Hello.

Does anyone experienced Headshop 12 (either for Gen 3 or Gen 8) to have better results than the previous versions? And I mean REALLY better results.

imo the Headshop plugin is actually a bit of a dissapointment .   :(

What's going on with the Headshop face textures?  The 'fade to white' is rather disconcerting...

I'm not a HS user, but I think it doesn't do full body blending with color matching.  
I think there's a way to match the color of two images by remapping the histogram of one image to the histogram of another.  Histogram color matching.  This is what Photoshop's Match Color tool does, and it works pretty good most of the time. Headshop should look it up if they want to compete with FG and FT.

For what it's worth here are Headshop 12 and Face Transfer rendered straight out the box on G8F Base both using the same source face photo. Plus Face Transfer with PhilW's Face Transfer Shapes base morph at 100%. I don't have FaceGen so cant compare that.

We need the original photo to make a fair comparison. We need a point of reference, and also which light did you use? I have Facegen, so if you upload a pic I can try it out. If you don't want to upload that pic, then we can find a pic online that can be used by us all. How does that sound?

I have made comparison shots to Headshop in the past. They are somewhere in this forum. I have not done the Face Transfer. I actually do own it, but I just never bothered. I do not have PhilW's add on.

For what it's worth here are Headshop 12 and Face Transfer rendered straight out the box on G8F Base both using the same source face photo. Plus Face Transfer with PhilW's Face Transfer Shapes base morph at 100%. I don't have FaceGen so cant compare that.

Thanks for the comparison!

What's going on with the Headshop face textures?  The 'fade to white' is rather disconcerting...

For what it's worth here are Headshop 12 and Face Transfer rendered straight out the box on G8F Base both using the same source face photo. Plus Face Transfer with PhilW's Face Transfer Shapes base morph at 100%. I don't have FaceGen so cant compare that.

Dear,

the result is so dissapointing. Save the money. To be honest, headshop is not even better.
I also bought Face Gen. Although this one has more tweak and tune options I don't see any and results when rendering the figure. Something goes wrong here and I am trying to find it out. Still testing.

How do people rate face transfer in terms of accurate likeness, with the scale of 1 being bad and 10 being spot-on excellent ?

The Headshop 10% off your entire order does NOT exclude gift cards but it isn't working on them. I have the https://www.daz3d.com/z-jacuzzi-time-and-poses as the purchase, the gift card is full amount.

 

and 2 or more featured store items?