The key difference from the gaming industry comparison is that games can be shown off years in advance. So yeah, the hype can die down. All I am talking about here is a couple weeks. That is a pretty big difference. A couple weeks doesn't leave time for the new shine to wear off.

And if that is the argument, wasn't revealing Victoria 9 a mistake by that logic? There are limits to how far this line of thinking can go. Clearly Daz wants to create hype. But here is the thing, and I am sure the marketers in the forums can understand this: You have to MAINTAIN THAT HYPE. You cannot allow it to die. If you let the hype die, you failed. No, you trickle things out, and control what gets out so that it is exciting. Instead, Daz simply stopped everything. Jay is making videos, but after the reveal video the later videos have nothing new to show. That is a failure on Daz (to be clear, I am not saying the failure is on Jay, he is cool). Give people a reason to watch. Show people a hint of what you are bringing. Show some awesome promos that wouldn't be easy to do with G8. Show the user why the separate mouth and eye is a good thing. Show us how the new unified body is better than having them separate. Prove the doubters wrong and convert them.

Besides that, I am mostly just asking for the most basic of information. Things with Genesis 9 seem to be different. So it stands to reason that questions about basic functionality be addressed. 

What about genital parts? Now that Genesis is unified, does Victoria include...both? Sure, recent Daz Originals have done that. But not all, and since G9 is a new thing, who is to say how things are done now. These are questions worth asking. Do customers have to buy the bundle? Is it it even included with the bundle??

That question has not been addressed by anyone. 

What about the price? Sure there is a price listed, but is that price going to be the same on launch day, or will it go up? That is a pretty basic question.

How many items will the bundle have? Without even revealing the contents you can at least say how many items it includes. 

And like Sevrin just posted, game preorders give players a better idea of what they are getting. These days they even make charts listing the items included with the preorder, something that Daz was unwilling to do. Most games will show off gameplay footage. Some even do full on beta like Street Fighter 6 is doing right now (and to wild acclaim I might add.)

There is certainly a balance to it. It is an art form itself, and why people get paid to be marketers. But what Daz is doing here doesn't make sense to me. You are letting Victoria 9's hype grow cold because you will not show us anything.

Only PAs have the model, and may not be able to answer. In any event, theer is an active thread here https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591351/genesis-9-coming-soon-preorder-victoria-9-hd-today#latest

Asking for a friend.

This has, of course, been painstakingly solved in previous generations by third-party artists half a dozen different ways over the years, I'm just wondering which of those solutions will finally be implemented in the official model, right out of the box?

How can I use morphs with Victoria 5 in Carrara 8.5 Pro? I just purchased the Carrara 8.5 Pro bundle , but the only morphs available in parameters is the base one. How can I use the others that were included in the bundle?

Pendraia said:

MimicMolly said:

Pendraia said:

Mada said:

PAs are the canaries in the coal mine - if they hate the figure then there's a problem. With content creation you are studying the figure under a microscope and have to fix any issues you're running into - they will spend a LOT more time using a figure when creating than the average user :)

this is so true! If the PA's don't like a figure they won't make stuff for it...

Speaking of content. Am I the only one to notice there are now links on the bundle page but they only lead to pages that say oops! Except for the one for Victoria.

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Not anymore. X'D

But I am now curious on how G9 can move like a mango, if it has a "Mango Movement Collection."

Yeah, I wondered about that. 

How does a Mango move? It doesn't, on its own. Maybe aninteresting wording for a standing pose collectiion.

MimicMolly said:

Pendraia said:

Mada said:

PAs are the canaries in the coal mine - if they hate the figure then there's a problem. With content creation you are studying the figure under a microscope and have to fix any issues you're running into - they will spend a LOT more time using a figure when creating than the average user :)

this is so true! If the PA's don't like a figure they won't make stuff for it...

Speaking of content. Am I the only one to notice there are now links on the bundle page but they only lead to pages that say oops! Except for the one for Victoria.

Image removed

Not anymore. X'D

But I am now curious on how G9 can move like a mango, if it has a "Mango Movement Collection."

Yeah, I wondered about that. 

Pendraia said:

Mada said:

PAs are the canaries in the coal mine - if they hate the figure then there's a problem. With content creation you are studying the figure under a microscope and have to fix any issues you're running into - they will spend a LOT more time using a figure when creating than the average user :)

this is so true! If the PA's don't like a figure they won't make stuff for it...

Speaking of content. Am I the only one to notice there are now links on the bundle page but they only lead to pages that say oops! Except for the one for Victoria.

Image removed

Not anymore. X'D

But I am now curious on how G9 can move like a mango, if it has a "Mango Movement Collection."

Mada said:

PAs are the canaries in the coal mine - if they hate the figure then there's a problem. With content creation you are studying the figure under a microscope and have to fix any issues you're running into - they will spend a LOT more time using a figure when creating than the average user :)

this is so true! If the PA's don't like a figure they won't make stuff for it...

Speaking of content. Am I the only one to notice there are now links on the bundle page but they only lead to pages that say oops! Except for the one for Victoria.

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Okay, I kind of got lost in here... I want to know exactly which products are compatible with these:

https://www.daz3d.com/iconic-mfd-bundle-1-for-genesis-8-females

https://www.daz3d.com/iconic-mfd-bundle-2-for-genesis-8-females

For those who don't know: These are the newest versions of the Morphing Fantasy Dress, made for Genesis 8 and Victoria 8, and come in two bundles. Apparently Bundle 1 has the dress, the Expansion Packs 1 and 2 and the Wonderland expansion. Bundle 2 has the cloaks, collar and masks.

The confusion is that both bundles say to be compatible with previous MFD stuff... but I dunno which. Can someone help?

G9 will have very limited compatibility with G8 and earlier. I will echo what others have said, don't spend any money just yet. At least not on anything character related (characters, morphs, skins, expressions, clothes, poses, hair...) I guess you can buy yourself some environments and lights, if you want. In any case, wait for G9 to drop, which should be any day now. You don't have to pre-order Victoria 9 to use G9. Just check out everything that's included for free and then take it from there.

It is possible to write a script to do the transfer, but the person writing the script really needs to have both characters.

I have done a scripts that bi-directionally transfer poses between V3 & G3/G8 and also V4 & G3/G8. It is a bit of a slog to write but not very hard, You need all the bone names in their correct case and do a best guess assessment of how different bones behave in relation to near-equivalent G8 bones. To see the sort of thing I did, take a look here: https://poserdazfreebies.miraheze.org/wiki/G8F_Pose_Transfer_To_Glamorous_Vickie_3_Script. GV3 has a T pose and feet that are bent 45 degrees more than G8F's, along with no pelvis bone etc, so all the sorts of conversion actions needed for the werewolf are already done in this character. The things that need doing & checking are described peripherally in this post: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/446941/g8f-pose-transfer-to-aiko-3-victoria-3-gv3

Now, you may have seen earlier in thais post that I said 'the person writing the script really needs to have both characters'. I am afraid I don't have the werewolf and it's not something I would want, but if you PM me, we might be able to find a way of exchanging enough information for me to do something useful. If I were to do it, I'd add one stipulation, that I can release the pose transfer script as a freebie at some point so others can use it too.

Regards,

Richard.

Jay Versluis said:

This detail level is disabled by default, and from my tests only adds an extra 100MB to VRAM usage per character (if I read the log files correctly). This is great news for those who worry if G9 and V9 will be too heavy on the hardware. In my tests I could render VIctoria 9 just as well as G8 figures on a GTX 970 system with 4GB of VRAM.

How is that possible with Windows taking 1GB of VRAM, RTX emulation taking another 1GB, DS taking a couple of hundred MB's, the base load of the scene taking some and the Iray 'working space' needing some. By my count, the 4GB's of VRAM has been eaten even before starting rendering, where the geometry and textures for G8 typically take about 1.5GB's of VRAM.

Has Nvidia brought back the information about VRAM usage for geometry and textures, or what are you referring to with "if I read the log files correctly"? 

My opinion: Don't spend ANY money yet!

Download and install the free "Essentials" packages that come with characters and clothes. I recommend Genesis 8 Starter Essentials. Start to learn Daz Studio and play with that free content first. You may decide Daz Studio is not for you. If you do like it, then wait for Genesis 9, which should arrive in a few days, if the "middle of the month" ads are accurate. Download the free version of the basic Genesis 9 at that time. When people figure out what older stuff works and what doesn't, you will be in a better position to know what to buy.

Once you are sure you want to stick with Daz Studio, look at joining the Daz+ Club. You will get discounts on Daz Original products, like Victoria 9. Daz+ annual subscription is  on sale 40% off right now.

Consider subscribing to Daz Deals browser plugin. It help tremendously with tracking product price history, notifying you by email when an item in your wishlist is on sale, etc. It is indispensable for any Daz shopping addict.

There are always sales. Prices go up and down daily.

 

I'm an author, expecting to use DAZ to sketch out scenes for my own benefit and as a time-killer during writer's block.

This seems like either a wonderful, or terrible, time to be getting into DS with G9 about to drop. I know nothing about any of this short of character creation intros in video games.

- Should I just throw down for the 9.0 model pre-order and start learning with it as my basis going forward? Or would it benefit me to work with the 8 & 8.1 versions to learn the ropes, first?

- WIll the Gen 9 Victoria be backwards-compatible with the 8 & 8.1 expressions, clothes, etc., the way the 8.1 models seem to be with the G8 expressions and so forth? Or will I have to wait for everything to come out in G9?

If it helps: i7 12th Gen, 32GB DDR5, 3060ti w/8GB. Not the best GPU VRAM, or so I'm reading, but you can't have everything. It runs my games fine.

Jay Versluis said:

I've just posted some of the 8K skin detail comparison renders over on my Daz Gallery and ArtStation, here's a selecton. Those were rendered at 4000x4000 at 5000 iterations. Zoom in to see that 8K normal map pop!

This detail level is disabled by default, and from my tests only adds an extra 100MB to VRAM usage per character (if I read the log files correctly). This is great news for those who worry if G9 and V9 will be too heavy on the hardware. In my tests I could render VIctoria 9 just as well as G8 figures on a GTX 970 system with 4GB of VRAM.

 

Thank you, looking forward to these very well done new textures :-) 

Jay Versluis said:

I've just posted some of the 8K skin detail comparison renders over on my Daz Gallery and ArtStation, here's a selecton. Those were rendered at 4000x4000 at 5000 iterations. Zoom in to see that 8K normal map pop!

This detail level is disabled by default, and from my tests only adds an extra 100MB to VRAM usage per character (if I read the log files correctly). This is great news for those who worry if G9 and V9 will be too heavy on the hardware. In my tests I could render VIctoria 9 just as well as G8 figures on a GTX 970 system with 4GB of VRAM.

 

Apart from the last one I don't like either skin...the 8K skin I think the pores look too large and too deep. But I often find the settings on textures not to my liking so nothing new there. I'm hopeful that adjusting some of the surface settings would improve it. The best skin is the last one...

I've just posted some of the 8K skin detail comparison renders over on my Daz Gallery and ArtStation, here's a selecton. Those were rendered at 4000x4000 at 5000 iterations. Zoom in to see that 8K normal map pop!

This detail level is disabled by default, and from my tests only adds an extra 100MB to VRAM usage per character (if I read the log files correctly). This is great news for those who worry if G9 and V9 will be too heavy on the hardware. In my tests I could render VIctoria 9 just as well as G8 figures on a GTX 970 system with 4GB of VRAM.

 

Aubrie Morph Preset for A4

Texture, Hair, and Clothes Not Included!

Requirements:
Victoria 4.2 Base   
Victoria 4.2 Shapes++   
Aiko 4 Base       
Stephanie 4 Elite Base

 

 

Have you checked your DIM settings to see if you are still ticked for download of the older DAZ Studio 4, 3, or (<3)?

I ask because there was one pair of shoes for Victoria 4 that I purchased that was for DAZ Studio 4, but I only had DAZ Studio 4.5+ ticked. The shoes didn't show up until I ticked it. Also a lot of Legacy items did that I have to ignore.

Yesterday I promised to try with a morph as opposed to a character like Victoria. The morph mention was a tall morph which I don't have. I do have a height morph which shortens the figure but there wasn't enough distortion to need a custom morph.

So I did it using the Pear Figure morph for Genesis 8f.

The dress before and after a morph was applied. Morph automatically dialled in. The thing to be careful of with this is sometimes the label and the name of the morph are different. The label in this case in the parameter tab was Pear Figure, however I had to actually call my morph FBMPear Figure I found this name by looking under the currently used. Please note that this file is a hidden file and you need to have show hidden checked.

This can be found on the parameter tab, top right hand corner icon, the arrow with lines. Go to  preferences/ show hidden properties.

I'm also including a couple of renders with the dress simulated using dforce as it's a dforce item.