WendyLuvsCatz said:

you can have both, I have 4.11 in a separate folder

just don't run them concurrently 

i also kept 4.11 for some products that don't work any more later. but i don't have 2 computers, not even 2 hard disks (physical or partitions)  - and a limited amount of barely 1TB that is already almost full. and since i couldn't get a beta version of 4.11 and then update with regular 4.12+ versions, i had to keep my 4.11 full version and update 4.12+ with beta versions. my laptop being an old piece of crap, with every new update i was scared it would crash my laptop, but nonetheless i risked a few updates, and now i have 4.22 beta, because i didn't use DS much lately so i didn't update to 4.24 beta.

point being, since i can't do dforce nor hair (different alternatives all lag/crash/barely work), have no interest in filament etc, all i need is to be able to make G9 work. 4.22 beta works fine. i don't think i need to update to the 4.24 29th dec version nor ALPHA, why should i... one big update could bring a version that definitely rubs my laptop he wrong way and nothing works any more.

at least not as long as i don't buy a new laptop, and this won't happen any time soon. i can consider myself really lucky this fossil from 2012 my family gifted me 2nd hand in 2016 is actually still working! can barely afford to live, don't have a few hundreds for a laptop, even 2nd hand.

so i guess i can spare myself the whole backing up circus (i'm not even sure where i have room to back up anything really, apart from a usb stick or something...), and just keep using my 4.22 beta, and my 4.11 full version? is there any reason why i should maybe update to 4.24 beta if it's listed in DIM? (with the risk of it crashing my comp?)

ETA: i also have a bunch of product updates i haven't installed because i'm always worried they might cause some chaos, not work, take too much unavailable HD space etc - but is there a risk in the future that product updates REALLY won't work with 4.22 beta (or 4.24 beta), apart maybe from scripts/script based products?

Richard Haseltine said:

Uninstalling and reinstalling is very rarely a fix for anything - settings and user data should, at least by default, be left alone.

You are using a Drawstyle (unles the Viewport is closed) - the question is which one. Look at top-right of the Viewport, to the left of the long button listing the current view/camera is a little button, showing a sphere (for the OpenGL modes), a bulb filament (for Filament), or a I in a box (for Iray); click that to see which Drawstyle is being used currently. Also check the Aux Viewport, if that is open.

Oh! I saw that indeed Viewport was set to Lray. The moment I switched to wire bounding box, CPU usage dropped to 1%. When I switch back to LRay it goes to 100% again. I see. Guess I need new version of Daz to make it work with 5090, oh well.

Also to be fair when I uninstall something I at least expect it to clean up the settings and stuff instead of leaving dangling files. But whatever.

The main flaw people run into with Filament is transparency maps. They're binary. Either on or off. No in between. Also, they don't stack well. Hair that has multiple transmaps look just horrid.

I take it this will also mean DS 2 and 3 will no longer be available.

Been using DS since 1.3, sad to say but 4.24.0.3 will be my last version of Studio, no use for Filament, and Iray is crap imho, can't even handle an Alpha channel without having to jump through hoops.

There is the Mac FAQ if you want to read about users using Mac with Daz:

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/731016/the-new-mac-faq

JOdel said:

1. What is the earliest version of Studio that will run on it?
2. How wel does it run?
3. WHat are the issues, so far as you know?

1. I started with Daz 4.21 on my Macbook Pro M1, so it should work on an M4 chip too but I can't comment on older versions.

A warning: if you want to use Filament, you'll have to use Daz Studio 2025, Daz Studio 4 can't use it for some technical reasons I don't remember.

2. Overall performances should be better than on your Intel iMac and the biggest downside is scripts crashing Daz Studio

3. I think it's related to Rosetta (the software used by Apple to allow Intel only softwares to run on M1/2/3/4 chips but if you want to know more, @Totte is your best source of informations) so with some scripts, what you'll have to do is trying to launch one of them until it doesn't lead Daz Studio to crash immediatly. Then, once you have Daz Studio running in its non-crashy state, every script should run fine as long as you don't close Daz Studio. Once closed, rinse and repeat the next time you want to use it, until you are back to having Daz Studio not crashing immediatly on scripts launch.

The other issue to know about is plugins: some are made for Windows only (including some of the Premier plugins) so if you need one of them, you're out of luck with a Mac.

JOdel said:

I realize that Iray is almost certainly going to still be a problem, What are the workarounds? I know that the few times I've had to render in Iray on my intel iMac, the images were almost unusably noisy and there was no way to turn off progressive rendering (which i hate).

If that Mac Studio will be you're only computer, the workaround is time, lots of time: someone invented the night, which is perfect to do long renders.

If after testing your M4 Mac you still find it too slow for your state, you can either build a computer around an NVIDA GPU and install Iray Server on it, or rent someone else computers to do renders for you.

I never used any of the following services, but it's the ones I heard about:

https://www.jacktomalin.com/iray/

https://boostfordaz.infinite-compute.com/

IceDragonArt said:

Silent Winter said:

IceDragonArt said:

Interesting.  Thank you!  So it needs its on textures?  Iray textures won't work?  

Not different textures, but the surface properties need tweaking as it's a different shader. Some stuff looks okay off the bat, other stuff looks too bright.

This can help: https://www.daz3d.com/rssy-3delight-and-iray-to-filament ;

Thank you!

https://www.daz3d.com/easy-filatoon is another good set of scripts if you like doing toon/anime style art. 

Silent Winter said:

IceDragonArt said:

Interesting.  Thank you!  So it needs its on textures?  Iray textures won't work?  

Not different textures, but the surface properties need tweaking as it's a different shader. Some stuff looks okay off the bat, other stuff looks too bright.

This can help: https://www.daz3d.com/rssy-3delight-and-iray-to-filament ;

Thank you!

IceDragonArt said:

Interesting.  Thank you!  So it needs its on textures?  Iray textures won't work?  

Not different textures, but the surface properties need tweaking as it's a different shader. Some stuff looks okay off the bat, other stuff looks too bright.

This can help: https://www.daz3d.com/rssy-3delight-and-iray-to-filament

Edit: Fixed link

Uninstalling and reinstalling is very rarely a fix for anything - settings and user data should, at least by default, be left alone.

You are using a Drawstyle (unles the Viewport is closed) - the question is which one. Look at top-right of the Viewport, to the left of the long button listing the current view/camera is a little button, showing a sphere (for the OpenGL modes), a bulb filament (for Filament), or a I in a box (for Iray); click that to see which Drawstyle is being used currently. Also check the Aux Viewport, if that is open.

Strictly speaking it is a Dawstyle, rather than a full render engine. This will affect how some of the Visible In options work, and to produce an image you need to have the Filament Drawstyle ative and set the Render Engine to Viewport rather than being abole to seelct Filament directly.

With the Filatoon shaders, I've come to appreciate Filament a lot, having an older computer. 

Note there are now some store items that include both Iray & Filatoon/Filament presets (a rarity) plus others where the base product is one or the other but has an add-on for the other render engine.

LaraRebooted said:

For those, like me, who have just been using the Nvidia Iray renderer this whole time, is it safe to assume that nothing will be changing for us regardless of which products we've purchased in the past?

Nothing will change if you're doing all your renders in Iray or Filament/Filatoon.

Can someone please explain what this is for and what it does?  I've been gone for a bit and have no idea what this does.

I don't see many renders of the freebies here, so here's one I made for my author social media. The Christmas wreath from earlier this month and the candle from one of the last year's sets, both rendered in Filament (with an awesome Easy Filatoon to make it, well, easy).

Happy Holidays, everyone!

vrba79 said:

This begs the question: How will Daz3D help out users who can't realistically do much Iray? Some artists use 3Delight, because they don't have a GPU that can cut the mustard, and Filament has some pretty glaring deficiencies when it comes to things like strand hair and transparencies.

Daz is helping out b6yb making sure people are aware that they need to back up their installers - which they have been doing for some time. There is nothing else they can do.

This begs the question: How will Daz3D help out users who can't realistically do much Iray? Some artists use 3Delight, because they don't have a GPU that can cut the mustard, and Filament has some pretty glaring deficiencies when it comes to things like strand hair and transparencies.

I feel for people without a good Nvidia card, but at least with Filament you can tame Iray materials to kinda work right with it. It's better than nothing.

If you got a crash with 2025 Alpha when opening the scene file, DS log won't help. You should check dump files from crash dialogue.

What's the draw style in 2025 Alpha ?  If it's Filament, try setting to Texture Shaded before opening the scene file.

Not without using the Iray DrawStyle, or maybe Filament. The basic drawstyles don't implement al the features of the Iray materials, though DS 2025 has increased what they do.

Yes, and Filament.