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I really love your enthusiasm here! (and on your videos)... But... could you wait to submit your latest update until after the next release (1.0.5) is actually available for us to review and play with for a short while (for the sake of current feedback)?
If not, off-the-cuff, I'd really appreciate a 'scan all libraries' button/option, that doesn't pop up the dialog to ask us to be sure DS is running for each scan, so I can simply fire off a full scan (append or not) for all of my libraries (22 of 'em so far) after a DIM installation and update session? I'd probably do a scan like this before going to bed so-as-to not worry about how long it would take, so having an explicit pop-up dialog occur for each scan would prevent that full scan from completing overnight, etc.
and ... as much as I appreciate the funnies in the logs ... can you add a settings options to disable them? please? Or at least have those not be written to the actual logfiles? I've been fighting some PA product file character reading errors in the program (i'll pm you examples) and such errors and details are truly painful to find - both, when watching the progress, and sorting through the zillions of 'witty notes' after-the-fact. Even if I have to manually edit a file somewhere to disable them, I'd personally be really happy if the logs contained only relevant information - at least when I'm trying to sort out what's going on, etc. I tread on eggshells here, as I appreciate the creative and fun intentions, but the request stands - thanks for considering it.
thanks in advance,
--ms
As @Doctorjellybean had noted about a dozen posts back, it seemed like v1.05 of EZFinder has been sitting in the queue with DAZ for 8 weeeks. I'm curious how the update queue works at DAZ, and as a vendor, maybe you can shed some light.
Rex, just a couple of posts back, you requested we 'get all new feature requests in before this update is placed ...'
Is that for your next update, meaning v1.06 or higher?
Or are you still adding things to v1.05? And if you are still adding to v1.05, does that send you to the back of the DAZ queue each time you update your v1.05 submission? Or does DAZ let you, as a vendor, know, 'ok, on Aug 18th we're ready to review your update' - and you still have till that time to get in your 'final' v1.05 for submission?
Thanks for any clarification you can provide.
Turning off the jokes in the log is very doable.
I can possibly add a fix to not require Daz to be open during scan and the constant messages.
But I will point out an "observation" in how you create libraries.
EZFinder was created so multiple libraries would be totally obsolete.
There is no reason to install items in so many libraries when EZFinder allows you to curate items in any way
regardless of the Daz Studio library architecture. This alone frees up tons of time curating zip files so that all that is left is dragging content where you want it in EZFinder. Dropdowns in DIM, selecting libraries and tons of incongruencies among products.
With EZFinder, the only constraint is disk size. I have my entire 6TB Daz library on one super-fast M.2 drive.
I click scan in EZFinder and it scans in one go at it. (The new fast append scan in v1.0.5 scans for new products in my entire library in under 1 minute.)
Multiple libraries are no longer needed because of the layer of curation that can be achieved "on top of your Daz library".
That means your Daz library can be a cohesive single unit no longer missing textures and files and updates that don't know where they need to be installed. Constantly searching for misplaced items is gone completely. A Swiss cheese library where content is disconnected from its main products. EZFinder solves all of that.
None of that is necessary unless you have a space constraint and even that can be remedied by just getting a big drive.
My advice is, get a “big” drive and uninstall all your content and reinstall it all in one place and let the cards land where they were intended to go. Then let EZFinder Virtual Folders organize your content. This bypasses a huge headache and EZFinder is intuitive and very user friendly. One library to rule them all. I have tried splitting my library up and I ended up with scripts not working right and data in the wrong place. EZFinder was born so multiple libraries would be “totally obsolete”. And it has proven itself to facilitate this 100%. The new update makes pagination instant and folder structures solid and bug free. Any future issues will only be even more refinements of the same idea. The innovation of EZFinder is a real solution to multiple libraries. I would not dream of splitting my library up at this point. But if instead of 13,000 products (1.7 million files) if I had say, 20,000 or even 50,000 products… I would probably still keep it in one place if I could. I just buy products, open DIM and let them install where they want to go. Then I use EZFinder to do “all” of my organization. It could not be any “easier”. You have your library split up into 22 folders. Just think about this, EZFinder gives you thousands of folders and you do not need to split up your library at all.
You can save your entire EZFinder setup and load it is seconds... Multiple libraries is the problem, not the solution.
Thanks for the detailed reply - and yes, your well-described sentiment that my having both 'distinct content libraries', and using EZFinder to create virtual distinct libraries is redundant and arguably missing the entire point of your tool... is fully appreciated, and completely rational. I even bought your tool knowing that its entire purpose is to obviate multiple runtime libraries - which it seems to do wonderfully. For future EZFinder users, your (above) description should be useful, as it very clearly articulates its intended purpose and value.
That said... :)
Using EZFinder, exactly as it's intended, can (and does) compliment the use of multiple isolated libraries as well - both in terms of functional isolation (per-figure or per-renderer libraries), or project isolation (using tools like the content gatherer) to collect and archive all of the elements used in a specific project (buildings, characters, clothes, animations, etc.) for future restoration and re-creation, etc. To wit, this also requires the restoration of the matching versions of DS and the Nvidia Drivers used at the time... Tracking this all hasn't been trivial, and adding your EZFinder tool to my world looks to be a god-send to my workflow.
To your suggestion that having a single content library is optimal for most users, my scenario bends the boundaries of any of these tools. to wit, it takes the DIM tool 20 minutes to load my content package collection. I start it, then throw it in the background while I get work done... So, while having a single monster library can work for me, my 15 yr DAZ workflow has self-adjusted around the many idiosyncracies and inconsistencies that DAZ Studio's evolution has 'presented' to us all as we move forward, and much of my system can co-exist with tools like yours without much tweaking. Maybe someday I'll merge everything and give up this fight, but for now, the benefits are worth the complexity.
I really appreciate your energy and your pride in your work, as I've been in the industry for years and there aren't many folks that treat their code like the art that it can be. Bravo for that, and props to you. Of course, I don't expect that you'll re-write any major code for my distinct and unusual workflow, I can imagine that a few of my requests aren't going to be unique to me, and should end up being tweaks of your system rather than re-writes, etc. Any way it goes, all of your efforts are appreciated, and I'm sure I can make things work for my needs, as your overall thinking on this tool is crisp and clear to me.
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Per your willingness (above) to consider the library scanner tweaks I requested, please let me re-articulate my request a bit more clearly:
Because I still expect to use multiple libraries, and because I understand that DS should be running (I assume for the smart content/postgres instance - that I don't have installed or will ever use... lol)... My use-case is roughly:
In that scenario, I select each library (assuming I remember which ones I've added new content to :), then I scan/append to it. Having to wait for the EZFinder scan process to notify me that DAZ should be running, and having to hit OK each time is where some time could be saved. If I could select multiple (or all) libraries and batch scan (all append, or all overwrite) them without any user-interaction right before I end my day, my life would be better :), especially the next morning, knowing I have a shiny updated state of my content! yay! - I hope what I've written makes sense, and it doesn't seem like a major change in the way the program currently operates.
FWIW, you might be pleased to know... in spite of your clear and logical recommendations that we use a local (SSD) root drive folder for our EZFinder database folder/file structure, I'm running both my content *and* the EZFinder data-store on mapped network drives, and while a bit slower than local, it works fine, and my entire system is consolidated and backed up beautifully. I'm curious if your recent performance improvements (v 1.0.6?) will tighten this up even further! To this end, it would be nice to be able to specify that the EZFinder data-root be located anywhere, but I also apprecate that some less tech-savvy folks may think EZFinder is a crappy program if they operate it in a non-recommended configuration and suffer the unsurprising performance hits. I know better, and love that it works well for me after a few JSON file edits :)
more to come, I'm sure
cheers and thanks,
--ms
The new fast append feature does not require each library to be selected. In fact, separate libraries cannot be selected, it just runs through all libraries and adds all "newly installed” (DIM only) items added to any library all at once. This may be what you need. But Daz still must be running while it fast appends, or the info panels and filters will not show rich kinds of metadata.
All of your requests are noted and will appear at some point in an update. I asked for your requests, and you kindly articulated them. This is helpful because I am sure you are not the only Daz Studio Content User who has encountered these issues.
One other thing is, the new v1.0.5 does now include new forms of metadata that currently are not available and to add that new metadata, it may require a full rescan of your content. Your Virtual Folders are fine as is, but the Compartments would benefit from a full rescan. But until you do rescan them, they will continue to work perfectly fine.
Also considering we are talking about “many” hours of scanning. How EZFinder works is, it scans a library then it builds a directory (Slim File). If something should interrupt the scan, the directory does not get built. So scanning smaller libraries can be a sure way to get them built. I have 1.7 million Daz files on my M.2 drive that get scanned and it takes about 20 minutes to scan (roughly 13,000 products) So having my library all in one scan does not really present an issue but I have been told that scanning hard drives can take all night for such a library. EZFinder is faithful and as long as the computer has no issues it should make it through even the largest scan.
One note also, the new v1.0.5 also has hard disk drive optimizations. Meaning, the current v1.0.3 when loading files into the EZFinder workspace does access the HDD (hard disk drive) and this slows the loading of content into the workspace window. In v1.0.5 these files instead live in the memory so they will load MUCH faster for HDD users. Pagination should be instant as well.
A rescan of your compartments in v1.0.5 will also now pick up any .mov .mp4 and .pdf files in your Daz Studio libraries that can be loaded and opened from the EZFinder workspace window and viewed. Now you can easily access your Daz Studio content tutorials from within EZFinder and you can also drag/drop and organize them into Virtual Folders.
a quick response due to time issues here - thanks for the info - the new-fast-append feature you mentioned sounds like exactly what I was hoping for. exactly!
I look forward to exploring this next, and future updates!
cheers,
--ms
Not sure the etiquette for bumping earlier post on DAZ forums - but from Google search, I think (hope) this is acceptable.
Version 6 has not been started yet and does not even exist except in projected talks.
Version 5 I will try and get Daz to move on it Monday. This process could take a week or a little over for Version 5 to get released.
As for why It has not been released or has fallen through the cracks, it is not Daz's fault. I have just not been ready when I needed to put on steam and release it.
And for Daz, EZFinder is huge and is not typical for Daz, so it requires the most skilled people/person to test and release it.
And version 5 has actually been slated for release for 4 months. 4 months ago, I uploaded the update and since then it has had 100's of features and bugs fixed and a dozen replacement version uploads. If it had been released 4 months ago it could have been problematic. Once the dust settles on these latest features (Monday) I will begin a serious attempt to release it.
For instance, when version 3 came out there was an oversight, somehow the HDRI scan button got disconnected. You currently cannot scan for HDRIs, the button does nothing even though the scan itself works perfectly. With 125,000 lines of code and only one person (me) developing it, there is pressure to make sure it is right. But the update is really ready now and my top priority... I have 25 Daz programs in various stages of completion and only 3 of them have been released. These are not scripts; they are full programs. You will be amazed when you see what is becoming available for Daz Studio. Just look at VDB Wizard, that took over 9 months to make, there is nothing like it at all in the Daz Store and again it is HUGE. So there is not only updates but radically new products coming very soon for Daz Studio!
I see. Thanks for the clarification & good luck with all your endeavors!
The official EZFinder v1.0.5 update is now with the Daz team, they will let me know if it works or not
When they are done testing they will release it into the wild.
When it becomes available and you install the EZFinder update from DIM, make sure Daz Studio and EZFinder are closed.
I did not add the last minute features, I was worried they could break things so they will go into a future update.
But the new "fast append" feature should fix most of the requests.
Thanks for the update/info. I hope they'll validate it quickly!
--ms
Yay glad to come here and see v1.0.5 is out soon! I love this program so much, and can't wait to see the new pieces!
You will love the changes coming very soon Emily! Instant pagination, resizable thumbnails, tighter integration for multi-libraries, fast append scans add new products in a few minutes and organize organize organize! Very solid fixes to organization!
And EZHDRI scan will work again! This new version really completes the program in the best possible way! (HDRI scans now come with metadata for the info panel too.)
Thank you for your kind support and enthusiasm for EZFinder!