absurd items

paidpaid Posts: 43

There are sometimes (lately more the before) absurd items, like today the Wayfarers Camp: How did the cart get to this place - there is nothing at it where it could be pulled? Or the "fruit an veg cart", same problem though possibly you could push it by yourself. But I would not have to push it around a corner . I remember another item (I think it was somewhat like a gypsy wagon) without a way to pull it.

Or the absolute absurd western steam engine! These 4-6-4 "Hudsons" were built decades later and just to put some old engine accessories (chimney, lamp) onto it ... it looks just stupid and is totally useless in any other than a crazy fantasy setting.

I use DAZ to make pictures for comics and those items - though they in itself are interesting (NOT the steam engine) it would take a lot of effort to change them to something useful.

 

 

 

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  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,886

    You assume the Cart in the camp has ever moved in the last, say, 20-40 years. It could have had a horse hitch when it arrived. And then over time the hitch was replaced by other things. No clue why the wheels were never removed though.

    As for your comics, if you only show a small side of the cart, no one would know it has no horse hitch. Only the final render has to be "realistic".

  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 746
    edited August 1

    Does realism actually matter in a comic? I mean, look at the likes of Wile E Coyote, Bugs Bunny, etc.

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  • i would like an updated covered gypsy wagon with furnished interior and harness for a horse. the only one in the store is very old. its a missed opportunity, would have been a must buy for me with an interior.  

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,777

    garrett_3d said:

    Does realism actually matter in a comic? I mean, look at the likes of Wile E Coyote, Bugs Bunny, etc.

    The category of comics is considerably more expansive than Looney Tunes.

  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 746

    Gordig said:

    garrett_3d said:

    Does realism actually matter in a comic? I mean, look at the likes of Wile E Coyote, Bugs Bunny, etc.

    The category of comics is considerably more expansive than Looney Tunes.

    My understanding has always been that comics are for cartoon stories, hence that reality doesn't play a particularly strong role.

    Realistic stories wouldn't, IMV, be suited to a comic book. 

  • 3WC3WC Posts: 1,163

    "Comics" are nowadays synonymous with "graphic novel" or "sequential art".  It is not a genre, but a medium. Just as a regular print novel could be any genre, so too for "comics". There have been, in fact, comic books that were non-fiction.

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,788

    I've bought some steampunk robotic creatures that sadly were just static props which would have been better if could bend/move  the legs at least and head/neck.mouth but at least be able to move the legs. As for comics like Gordig said there is a massive variety of themes in comics including stuff based on everyday life. There's even comics on bible stories. And I used to buy Commando and Battle that had stories revolved mostly around World War 2 but also other wars, and there were some on the Wild West, Spys, romance/love pretty much anything and everything has been a comice theme just not as well circulated everywhere as they were niche markets unlike your more common known ones 

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,332

    donniekeidic said:

    i would like an updated covered gypsy wagon with furnished interior and harness for a horse. the only one in the store is very old. its a missed opportunity, would have been a must buy for me with an interior.  

    I may be confusing it with something else, but I seem to vaguely recall having been playing a bit with one with interior at some point during the later years, but with 24.000+ arbitrarily named DAZ items in my library things can be hard to find, and nothing comes up when searching on relevant keywords.  I'm planning on categorizing everything in the near future though, so it should show up then if it's there. 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 111,065

    If items don't suit you you can pass on them. You can also, as suggested, just use them from certain camera angles where they do work or you can kit-bash multiple peoducts to build the set-up you need. Even when items are "sensible" or, in as far as the term can apply, realisitc you may still need to use one or both of those techniques to get the results you want. That doesn't mean you can't point out elements that strike you as design issues, for example in https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/762591/let-s-appreciate-discuss-today-s-new-releases-ongoinger-still-further-thread#latest

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,357
    edited August 1

    it's not even the most illogical carriage by any means in the store

    this one at least is obviously no longer in use for transport 

    there are ones in the store impossible to move that are meant as transport 

    in fact one could even feasibly say it could be a glamping accommodation made to look like a wagon

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,347
    edited August 2

    ...concerning the Western Express Steam Locomotive, it has little resemblance to the 4-6-4 Hudson which wasn't  introduced into service until 1927 by the New York Central and in 1930 Milwaukee Road, (a number of Hudson's were also given a streamlined shroud, the most famous being operated by the two railroads mentioned here).  These beasts were desigened with speed in mind and were routinely capable of sustained speeds over 100 MPH.

    More likely the Western Express Steam, Locomotive is loosely based on the 4-6-2 Pacific (below) given the engineer's cab and smaller boiler, though without the ornate steam domes, large headlamp, cowcatcher, and funnel shaped smokestack. It is a fictional design not meant to be a faithful model of any existing historic steam locomotive.

    In contrast this is a standard 4-6-4 Hudson,  notice the larger boiler and smaller steam domes.

    Here's the streamlined version.

    The 4-6-4 configuration was a 20th century development which was introduced to support the weight of a larger firebox and boiler.

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,795
    edited August 2

    jmucchiello said:

    You assume the Cart in the camp has ever moved in the last, say, 20-40 years. It could have had a horse hitch when it arrived. And then over time the hitch was replaced by other things. No clue why the wheels were never removed though.

     Because if you took off the wheels, the entire thing would be sitting on the ground, making it more prone to inclement weather, accelerating wood rot and making it easier for insects to infest the trailer.  

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  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 3,220

    paid said:

    Or the absolute absurd western steam engine! These 4-6-4 "Hudsons" were built decades later and just to put some old engine accessories (chimney, lamp) onto it ... it looks just stupid and is totally useless in any other than a crazy fantasy setting.

    Its anachronistic wheel arrangment is only part of the problem. The coupling rods are firmly connected to the frame and the entire thing would be entirely unable to move:

    But all of that might just about be something you could work around if the proportions weren't so wildly off:

    With comparatively rare exceptions, locomotives normally look quite small compared to their carriages.

    The physics of rail traction allow locomotives to efficiently shift many times their own weight... and even when you're talking about a now-obsolete technology like steam locomotives, the power and torque that even a modestly sized locomotive can generate is still huge. 

    So a lot of trains tend to look more like this, where you can have 50 tonnes of locomotive hauling 250-300 tonnes of load (even when it has to do things like it does in the second shot here, starting the train from a standstill on an uphill-curve):

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,788

    we have a Fowler no. 5268 still operating where I live

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_River_Railway

    list of our other old trains still exist here including year made

    https://railtasmania.com/pres/donstock.php

    The Don River Railway near Devonport, Tasmania, houses an extensive collection of 20 heritage locomotives (both steam and diesel) and rolling stock reflecting the rich industrial and government rail history of Tasmania. [1, 2, 3, 4]

    Steam Locomotives

    • M4: A 4-6-2 tender steam locomotive built by Robert Stephenson and Hawthorns in 1951 (Works No. 7424), preserved in operational condition and occasionally used for special runs.
    • M3: Sister engine to the M4, rebuilt by the Tasmanian Government Railways (TGR) and kept on static display at the Don site.
    • C22: A classic 1902-built C-class 2-8-0 engine from the TGR heritage fleet.
    • Fowler Steam Locomotive: Frequently rotated into active heritage service on weekend runs. [1, 2, 3]

    Diesel Locomotives

    • Y6: A prominent 1970-built English Electric diesel-electric locomotive. The Y class holds historic significance as the only full class of locomotives manufactured completely in-house at the TGR Launceston Railway Workshops. [1]
    • 1002 (10 Class): Built by Walkers in Queensland in 1963 for the Emu Bay Railway to haul West Coast minerals. [1, 2]
    • V2, X4, and 866: Vintage diesel switchers and mainline engines utilized by volunteers to haul weekend passenger sets along the 3-foot-6-inch gauge line toward Don Junction/Coles Beach. [1, 2]

    Railcars

     Used regularly for scheduled weekday transport services when longer locomotive-hauled steam or diesel sets are not deployed. 

     

  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 746
    edited August 2

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    • M4: A 4-6-2 tender steam locomotive built by Robert Stephenson and Hawthorns in 1951 

    A pretty remarkable achievement considering Robert Stephenson had been dead for 92 years.

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  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,886

    Cybersox said:

    jmucchiello said:

    You assume the Cart in the camp has ever moved in the last, say, 20-40 years. It could have had a horse hitch when it arrived. And then over time the hitch was replaced by other things. No clue why the wheels were never removed though.

     Because if you took off the wheels, the entire thing would be sitting on the ground, making it more prone to inclement weather, accelerating wood rot and making it easier for insects to infest the trailer.  

    Right. Good idea.

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,788

    garrett_3d said:

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    • M4: A 4-6-2 tender steam locomotive built by Robert Stephenson and Hawthorns in 1951 

    A pretty remarkable achievement considering Robert Stephenson had been dead for 92 years.

    was a copy paste from the google search

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,788

    garrett_3d said:

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    • M4: A 4-6-2 tender steam locomotive built by Robert Stephenson and Hawthorns in 1951 

    A pretty remarkable achievement considering Robert Stephenson had been dead for 92 years.

    reading another wiki the company still existed as that name till 1955 when it became part of English Electric before being merged with GEC in 1968.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Stephenson_and_Hawthorns

    So even though he died they kept the company name for a long time just like many other companies have even when selling to others. 

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,829

    All I'll say is that it takes some moxie to come out of nowhere and say that a Stonemason product is "absurd".

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,782

    People are entitled to their opinions. I view absurdity in products as the natural outgrowth of having many makers free to do whatever they like. It creates variety. Anything in the store was approved to be in the store, so it's all good. Besides, absurd to one person is fun to another, people buy the stuff they like, and so it goes. 

  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 3,220

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    list of our other old trains still exist here including year made

    https://railtasmania.com/pres/donstock.php

    I've long tried to work out what is the longest continually operating locomotive, and the best answer I've yet heard is Dolgoch on the Talyllyn Railway in Wales.

    While it's had times when it's been in overhaul, I don't think it's actually had any period since its 1866 build where it was not expected to be back in service, so while there are older locomotives that have been restored (I believe the oldest locomotive to have been in operation is Fairy Queen in India, built 1855), I think Dolgoch is a fair candidate for the longest-serving locomotive, at 160 years.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037

    Richard Haseltine said:

    If items don't suit you you can pass on them. You can also, as suggested, just use them from certain camera angles where they do work or you can kit-bash multiple peoducts to build the set-up you need. Even when items are "sensible" or, in as far as the term can apply, realisitc you may still need to use one or both of those techniques to get the results you want. That doesn't mean you can't point out elements that strike you as design issues, for example in https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/762591/let-s-appreciate-discuss-today-s-new-releases-ongoinger-still-further-thread#latest

    So we shouldn't talk about our impression how a product could have been made better to serve our personal needs, right? At least that is what I take from your post. Or is it that all criticism of any products should be done in a "catch them all" thread, than in a thread dedicated only to that item only, which would make a discussion about it easier, IMHO.

    Just asking, so I know how to post here in the forum in the future.

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 111,065

    maikdecker said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    If items don't suit you you can pass on them. You can also, as suggested, just use them from certain camera angles where they do work or you can kit-bash multiple peoducts to build the set-up you need. Even when items are "sensible" or, in as far as the term can apply, realisitc you may still need to use one or both of those techniques to get the results you want. That doesn't mean you can't point out elements that strike you as design issues, for example in https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/762591/let-s-appreciate-discuss-today-s-new-releases-ongoinger-still-further-thread#latest

    So we shouldn't talk about our impression how a product could have been made better to serve our personal needs, right? At least that is what I take from your post. Or is it that all criticism of any products should be done in a "catch them all" thread, than in a thread dedicated only to that item only, which would make a discussion about it easier, IMHO.

    Just asking, so I know how to post here in the forum in the future.

    This seems to be a somewhat hyperbolic catch-all thread, so pointing to a thread for dusicussing new reeleases in general seems reasonable.

  • StonemasonStonemason Posts: 1,259

    SnowSultan said:

    All I'll say is that it takes some moxie to come out of nowhere and say that a Stonemason product is "absurd".

    lol, I can respect their opinion :)

    It was a consideration but for what I wanted I just felt it didnt need a hitch, I assumed it was at the back of the wagon which is obscured by the vegetation, what is absurd to me is that I totaly forgot to add door handles to the doors, like wtf!...thats like a toilet without a seat!

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,357

    Stonemason said:

    SnowSultan said:

    All I'll say is that it takes some moxie to come out of nowhere and say that a Stonemason product is "absurd".

    lol, I can respect their opinion :)

    It was a consideration but for what I wanted I just felt it didnt need a hitch, I assumed it was at the back of the wagon which is obscured by the vegetation, what is absurd to me is that I totaly forgot to add door handles to the doors, like wtf!...thats like a toilet without a seat!

    there can always be an addon packenlightened

    interior items, optional handles or rope pull, or as I assumed inner door bolt

    optional hitching 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,795

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Stonemason said:

    SnowSultan said:

    All I'll say is that it takes some moxie to come out of nowhere and say that a Stonemason product is "absurd".

    lol, I can respect their opinion :)

    It was a consideration but for what I wanted I just felt it didnt need a hitch, I assumed it was at the back of the wagon which is obscured by the vegetation, what is absurd to me is that I totaly forgot to add door handles to the doors, like wtf!...thats like a toilet without a seat!

    there can always be an addon packenlightened

    interior items, optional handles or rope pull, or as I assumed inner door bolt

    optional hitching 

    Not to mention an add-on toilet with seat. :)  Because, really, of course you'd want a medieval porta-potty when you're out fox-hunting, bear baiting, or going to a rummage with the Visigoths.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,347

    @Matt_Castle

    ...thank you for the video of the pannier tank locomotive.  That is a fairly long consist of carriages it is pulling,

    Speaking of tank engines and 4-6-4 configurations.  In 1896 the Natal Government Railways in the Colony of Natal (now a province of South Africa) developed the first 4-6-4 configurationm modifying a 4-6-0T "side tank" engine in 1896.  The wheel configuration actually became somewhat common for passenger tank engines at the time to support the larger coal bin  (these locomotives do not have separate tenders).  It also allowed for better operation in reverse on the South Coast line,which had no turn-arounds at either end..

    In 1935 the Deutsche Reichsbahn-Gesellschaft built two 4-6-4Ts with streamlined shrouds for express passenger service which were desgnated as DRG Class 61s.

    ...apologies for "derailng" the thread again.

  • Fire AngelFire Angel Posts: 338

    Stonemason said:

    SnowSultan said:

    All I'll say is that it takes some moxie to come out of nowhere and say that a Stonemason product is "absurd".

    lol, I can respect their opinion :)

    It was a consideration but for what I wanted I just felt it didnt need a hitch, I assumed it was at the back of the wagon which is obscured by the vegetation, what is absurd to me is that I totaly forgot to add door handles to the doors, like wtf!...thats like a toilet without a seat!

    You could fix that with a product update, DAZ do allow it you know.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,357

    Cybersox said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Stonemason said:

    SnowSultan said:

    All I'll say is that it takes some moxie to come out of nowhere and say that a Stonemason product is "absurd".

    lol, I can respect their opinion :)

    It was a consideration but for what I wanted I just felt it didnt need a hitch, I assumed it was at the back of the wagon which is obscured by the vegetation, what is absurd to me is that I totaly forgot to add door handles to the doors, like wtf!...thats like a toilet without a seat!

    there can always be an addon packenlightened

    interior items, optional handles or rope pull, or as I assumed inner door bolt

    optional hitching 

    Not to mention an add-on toilet with seat. :)  Because, really, of course you'd want a medieval porta-potty when you're out fox-hunting, bear baiting, or going to a rummage with the Visigoths.

    a shovel and big leaves? preferably not skin irritating foliage 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,347

    ...as I recall there were a few interior sets without a means of entry or exit save for maybe crawling out a window.  One of these the Vintage 1960s Office which I considered getting until I saw no way to get in or out (at least in the promos)   Imagine being trapped at the office your entire life with no way to get out. I've had nightmares about that.  There was a thread on this a few years ago an the cnscensus was even if a door does not open, just having one or two in a plausable location(s) on the walls somewhere would make a difference,

    The interesting part is when I checked Google about the model, it mentions there are doors (4 of them that open and close), however as per the actual product description, those are on one of the cabinets (seems big G's AI needs to do more homework).

    The model also has phones and desk lights with nothing connecting them to a outlet.  Granted there is a separate prop set that is just cords and wires which can remedy that, as well as one of the Room Creator sets (which has electrical outlets and light switches) but that is still a fair bit to have to add to set up a believable scene.  

    Sad as otherwise it is a great envionment.

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