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There was a (quite heated) conversation elsewhere (that will remain anonymous due to the rules here). It turned into quite a flame-war because someone who had made an image using standard techniques, wasn't happy when people suggested his image should be labelled AI. He'd done everything else the traditional 3D way, you see, but he'd finished it off using an AI-powered sharpening filter.
What was so amusing about the carnage was that regardless of how little effect the AI may or may not have had on the image, he DID use AI and therefore it SHOULD be labelled as such, because at the end of the day, all he had to do to avoid that situation, was simply use a sharpening filter that was NOT powered by AI :-D
My own personal opinion of AI, is that it's amazing and absolutely fine, as long as the artist using it is honest enough to disclose that fact that AI was used, no matter how much or how little, and that the AI tool they used was an ethical one, and not some corporate criminal's AI tool powered by stolen data.
When AI first arrived, I was completely and utterly against it. But the more I learned about it, the more I realised that it's not the technology that is the problem, but rather the criminal corporations who stole data in order to power it all in the first place. As with anything, a lack of education on any given subject is always going to create a problem for those attacking it. But one of the most important aspects of AI that I think is ignored far too often, is that AI cannot be uninvented.
The world we live in now, is nothing like the world we lived in even five years ago. The world has become far more dangerous (and on a scale that is truly unimaginable for most wholesome-minded people). And since the technology cannot be uninvented, the only way to protect ourselves and move forward in as safe way as possible, is to undertand (and accept) the technology ourselves. The fact that AI cannot be uninvented and that it can only ever get smarter and more capable over time, I think, is the single most important thing people need to remember about AI.
No amount of anti AI sentiment, no matter how noble, will change that fact, which is why I personally have chose to embrace it, but ONLY in ethical ways. At the end of the day, I think it's all about being a good, honest, human being. Simply avoid unethical AI tools, refuse to fund unethical online AI services, and instead, enjoy the mind-blowing possibilities afforded to you through ethical AI tools running locally on your own computer, and be honest when you use them, no matter how much or how little. People just need to be honest, and in this world of AI, people are going to suspect you use AI anyway!
At this point, since we cannot uninvent AI, I really don't see what else any of us can do apart from that.
The trouble with AI discussions at this point of its development is that everyone will have their own ideas on the morality of it, and likely it wont be the same as the next guy. All we can ulitimatly do in the end is do whatever feels right for us. To try to impose our morality beliefs onto others will simply end in argument and not change anything.
For me personally, art, however someone creates it is an expression of their creativity. If it makes them happy, then thats what counts. There is no reason to take that joy away from them.
Professionally, the use of AI is forbidden here, so for products here that doesnt even enter into the equation. But final art should be free to whatever brings the artist joy
We're at a point that if people are good renderers and know how to use the render settings along with texture touch up get called out as AI when not a single pixel of it is. Just because someone can't render that good doesn't mean others can't.
One major point of frustration for me is the conflating of LLMs (Large Language Models, aka “generative AI”) with AI. There are a wide variety of AI systems that have nothing to do with LLMs, and all the controversial ethics around them.
I know accuracy in language is a totally lost battle, but I still wish that folks wouldn’t use the term “AI” when speaking specifically about LLMs.
I’m personally in favour of criminalizing/banning the LLM companies and their products, but I am not in favour of banning all forms of AI. (One of my favourite examples is the use of non-LLM machine learning tools for protein folding to develop new vaccines—brilliant and life-saving work!)
Personally, I will not knowingly use AI to "improve" my renders. I'm still learning and to me, it's cheating and not teaching me anything. If I use AI to get me out of a predicament, how am I going to learn how to do the job?
That said, I may be forced to use AI at some point in my VN as I'm still yet to find a poseable goose to work in DS. The only PA who had anything remotely near that could have been modifed on commission is banned from here so I have no way of getting in touch.
Ken Gilliland has a number of excellent geese in his Songbird ReMix Waterfowl Vol 4 collection over at Renderosity, but I'd use Noggin's old but still workable Goose model here in the the DAZ store before resorting to AI.
@Frank
I reckon the tide will change dramatically when the use of AI reaches saturation point. And when that happens, I reckon those with the creative skill to produce without AI, will become more important than they are now. I also think that what Garrett just said, plays directly into this, since those who completely rely on AI to produce something, are going to fnd their skill development completely halted.
Frankly, the issue will become important based on copyright law. Currently, AI generated art is not protected by copyright law. (in the US at a minimum) And if someone loses a lawsuit over that, it will be interesting.
That would be great, if only Renderosity wasn't blocked in every VPN location I have.....
Noggin's goose I've looked at and it isn't poseable unfortunately. I need one I can animate.
I think it's safe to say that AI is here, in all its forms- good and bad- and it's not going away. I agree with the perspective that it's a matter of how the AI is used. The OP was talking about disclosing the use of AI in promotional images of products. If a site is going to allow this, it should also require a certain number of promo images that show the product in an unenhanced form. Let people get creative with their promo images, but retain the ability of buyers to see what they're actually buying.