Can we please have the forums working properly again?

The title says it all.  These forums used to be reasonably responsive, with sensible page load times and internal links actually worked reliably.  Now the links that work do so ridiculously slowly, sometimes taking more than a minute to follow through to a page that then takes an age to load.  There are constant "Bad Gateway" errors and timeouts, and the forums are painfully slow to use compared to previous experiences I had here.  I have a reasonably fast machine with 128GB of RAM, and even sites like Amazon and eBay respond instantly.  The DAZ site has sometimes been slow to respond but nothing like the current absurdly bad performance, and I was never bombarded with error messages before. Today I have more than once seen three error messages in less than a minute!

 

Oh, and I would have throught that anyone who has been using the web for any length of time would know that using Cloudflare Services is a great way to lower the performance of any web site.  If you need to improve security then please find a better way to do it, preferebly one that doesn't slow the site to a crawl.

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  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,922

    It may be a bunch of denial of service attacks or attempts to bypass security. Amazon and EBAY get around this by having multiple "Amazon's" so that if Amazon.uk is doiwn, it doesn't effect Amazon.us. This seems to be a problem with a lot of small sites; I have been seeing "Bad Gateway" a lot lately across the web.

  • Drogo NazhurDrogo Nazhur Posts: 1,302

    I see what you mean. I just tried to post. I hit the submit button. Went to walk the dog. Came back and it still hasn't posted yet. I'm not experiencing this type of slowness with other sites so it can't be my connection ...

    ... AND ...

    ... I'm not experiencing it with the rest of the site. So it is not this website. It's only on the forums that are slow.

  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 208

    That's what you get for using Cloudfare....

  • Fire AngelFire Angel Posts: 318

    nemesis10 said:

    It may be a bunch of denial of service attacks or attempts to bypass security. Amazon and EBAY get around this by having multiple "Amazon's" so that if Amazon.uk is doiwn, it doesn't effect Amazon.us. This seems to be a problem with a lot of small sites; I have been seeing "Bad Gateway" a lot lately across the web.

    Amazon and eBay also don't use Cloudflare Services, which have the reputation of lowering the performance of any web site they are used on.  Running your own server is far more efficient; yes, it requires you to hire one really competent server programmer/manager with a good knowledge of web security, but that one person can make a huge difference to your web site's performance and may well cost you less than using Cloudflare anyway.  Even if it is a little more expensive, it is worth it to have a web site that works properly.

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,145

    Fire Angel said:

    nemesis10 said:

    It may be a bunch of denial of service attacks or attempts to bypass security. Amazon and EBAY get around this by having multiple "Amazon's" so that if Amazon.uk is doiwn, it doesn't effect Amazon.us. This seems to be a problem with a lot of small sites; I have been seeing "Bad Gateway" a lot lately across the web.

    Amazon and eBay also don't use Cloudflare Services, which have the reputation of lowering the performance of any web site they are used on.  Running your own server is far more efficient; yes, it requires you to hire one really competent server programmer/manager with a good knowledge of web security, but that one person can make a huge difference to your web site's performance and may well cost you less than using Cloudflare anyway.  Even if it is a little more expensive, it is worth it to have a web site that works properly.

    And perhaps they could code a shop promo sales system that works most days as soon as it goes live each midnight.

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,922

    jmucchiello said:

    Fire Angel said:

    nemesis10 said:

    It may be a bunch of denial of service attacks or attempts to bypass security. Amazon and EBAY get around this by having multiple "Amazon's" so that if Amazon.uk is doiwn, it doesn't effect Amazon.us. This seems to be a problem with a lot of small sites; I have been seeing "Bad Gateway" a lot lately across the web.

    Amazon and eBay also don't use Cloudflare Services, which have the reputation of lowering the performance of any web site they are used on.  Running your own server is far more efficient; yes, it requires you to hire one really competent server programmer/manager with a good knowledge of web security, but that one person can make a huge difference to your web site's performance and may well cost you less than using Cloudflare anyway.  Even if it is a little more expensive, it is worth it to have a web site that works properly.

    And perhaps they could code a shop promo sales system that works most days as soon as it goes live each midnight.

    Tricky to do... the forums are separate from the store: Daz3d absorbs the cost and it isn't a contractual arrangement with customers. I'm not sure that people are willing to pay extra for upgrades so big changes have to be wait until Daz3d can afford it.

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,145

    nemesis10 said:

    jmucchiello said:

    Fire Angel said:

    nemesis10 said:

    It may be a bunch of denial of service attacks or attempts to bypass security. Amazon and EBAY get around this by having multiple "Amazon's" so that if Amazon.uk is doiwn, it doesn't effect Amazon.us. This seems to be a problem with a lot of small sites; I have been seeing "Bad Gateway" a lot lately across the web.

    Amazon and eBay also don't use Cloudflare Services, which have the reputation of lowering the performance of any web site they are used on.  Running your own server is far more efficient; yes, it requires you to hire one really competent server programmer/manager with a good knowledge of web security, but that one person can make a huge difference to your web site's performance and may well cost you less than using Cloudflare anyway.  Even if it is a little more expensive, it is worth it to have a web site that works properly.

    And perhaps they could code a shop promo sales system that works most days as soon as it goes live each midnight.

    Tricky to do... the forums are separate from the store: Daz3d absorbs the cost and it isn't a contractual arrangement with customers. I'm not sure that people are willing to pay extra for upgrades so big changes have to be wait until Daz3d can afford it.

    The Daz+ and Premiere promotions aren't a contractual arrangement? They have issues with those promotions as frequently as they do with the regular store promotions. And someone replacing Cloudflare isn't a 40 hour a week job. They could do other things while saving them money on Cloudflare.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,174

    ...just as long as they don't replace Cloudflare with Captcha which throws those ridiculous picture puzzles at you that after you solve one, it gives you another, and another after that.......

    Far more annoying than bad gateway errors.

  • ElorElor Posts: 3,697

    One external factor to keep in mind: AI bots.

    They are many and enough of them are stupidely aggressive in their quest of data.

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