Announcement about phasing out 3Delight - do we lose our 3Delight products?

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,057

    Leana said:

    kyoto kid said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

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    No, they cannot distribute it to anyone as I understand  it - hence everyone losing 3delight in DS 4.

    ...losing 3DL in DS4? 

    Don't you mean DS5 or whatever the new version will be called?

    No, Richard means DS4 (though it's not included in DS2025 either). The version of DS4 which will be released today won't have 3DL anymore, hence why Daz suggests to backup the current version.

    ...ah thank you for the clarification, I thought that 5 or whatever it is called is going to be released Monday   So I'm OK with the installer backup for 4,24.0.3 as well as the AweShader plugin.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,462
    edited December 2025

    I just Downloaded and installed registered D|S 2 & 3 on my Win 10

    had to run in compatibility mode

    Windows is stuck generating a report, will have to kill that

    both work

    yes, I know I didn't need to

    just felt nostalgic 

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  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I just Downloaded and installed registered D|S 2 & 3 on my Win 10

    had to run in compatibility mode

    Windows is stuck generating a report, will have to kill that

    both work

    yes, I know I didn't need to

    just felt nostalgic 

    Maybe you need Windows 98 laugh 

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,368

    Leana said:

    RAMWolff said:

    Here's an idea.  How about updating one of the Alphas with an auto script that detects 3Delight materials and converts them to iRAY or another supported engine in DS?  You wouldn't have so many frustrated and concerned end users esp those that want to continue to move forward with DS and not keep two copies of the program on their hard drives.  Just a suggestion!  

    3DL materials are already converted automatically to Iray when you render. That's been there since Iray has been introduced, and is still there in DS2025, which doesn't have 3DL render engine.

    AH, OK, good to know.  Thank you  

  • Is this the right thread or should I start a new one? For those of us who don't use 3DL at all and never have, is there any way to remove the 3DL assets that are redundant with IRAY assets in my library? For me, they've always been a waste of disk space.

    Also, has anyone run 4.25 (I presume it's 4.25) and found it working correctly? Any bumps in the road? When it shows up in DIM, I don't plan to download it until I hear it's good from any early adopters.

    Thanks

  • jmucchiello said:

    Is this the right thread or should I start a new one? For those of us who don't use 3DL at all and never have, is there any way to remove the 3DL assets that are redundant with IRAY assets in my library? For me, they've always been a waste of disk space.

    Also, has anyone run 4.25 (I presume it's 4.25) and found it working correctly? Any bumps in the road? When it shows up in DIM, I don't plan to download it until I hear it's good from any early adopters.

    Thanks

    These are the changes between the current release (4.24.03) and the next one (4.24.0.4)

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/change_log#4_24_0_4 ;

  • ElorElor Posts: 3,455

    jmucchiello said:

    Is this the right thread or should I start a new one? For those of us who don't use 3DL at all and never have, is there any way to remove the 3DL assets that are redundant with IRAY assets in my library? For me, they've always been a waste of disk space.

    You'll have to do it manually AFAIK and if you're using Smart Content, it'll create broken links for every 3DL related .duf file removed.

    I'm not sure it's worth the hassle, considering .duf files related to 3DL will likely not be the main source of disk usage by any product, compared to the textures and the geometry. I checked with Gwennili for Victoria 7: the whole product once installed is using close to 1 GB of disk space, among that total, only 6.6 MB are taken by files related to 3DL Materials presets.

  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 839
    edited December 2025

    DoctorJellybean said:

    jmucchiello said:

    Is this the right thread or should I start a new one? For those of us who don't use 3DL at all and never have, is there any way to remove the 3DL assets that are redundant with IRAY assets in my library? For me, they've always been a waste of disk space.

    Also, has anyone run 4.25 (I presume it's 4.25) and found it working correctly? Any bumps in the road? When it shows up in DIM, I don't plan to download it until I hear it's good from any early adopters.

    Thanks

    These are the changes between the current release (4.24.03) and the next one (4.24.0.4)

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/change_log#4_24_0_4 ;

    I would think removing 3DL is worth changing 4.24.03 to 4.25.00 and not 4.24.04. The Alpha should be called Daz 5.00 (or Daz 6.00 as it is sometimes called), not 4.anything. I work in software. Best practice for version numbers is removing a major feature is not a maintenance level change, which is what those number after the second DOT usually indicate.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,057
    edited December 2025

    DoctorJellybean said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I just Downloaded and installed registered D|S 2 & 3 on my Win 10

    had to run in compatibility mode

    Windows is stuck generating a report, will have to kill that

    both work

    yes, I know I didn't need to

    just felt nostalgic 

    Maybe you need Windows 98 laugh 

    ...I have an 18 year old Xp notbook that still works which I have 1.8 on.

    2.0 and 3.1 also work on Win 7.

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  • jmucchiello said:

    DoctorJellybean said:

    jmucchiello said:

    Is this the right thread or should I start a new one? For those of us who don't use 3DL at all and never have, is there any way to remove the 3DL assets that are redundant with IRAY assets in my library? For me, they've always been a waste of disk space.

    Also, has anyone run 4.25 (I presume it's 4.25) and found it working correctly? Any bumps in the road? When it shows up in DIM, I don't plan to download it until I hear it's good from any early adopters.

    Thanks

    These are the changes between the current release (4.24.03) and the next one (4.24.0.4)

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dazstudio/4/change_log#4_24_0_4 ;

    I would think removing 3DL is worth changing 4.24.03 to 4.25.00 and not 4.24.04. The Alpha should be called Daz 5.00 (or Daz 6.00 as it is sometimes called), not 4.anything. I work in software. Best practice for version numbers is removing a major feature is not a maintenance level change, which is what those number after the second DOT usually indicate.

    Daz Studio, not Daz - and you missed a dot - 4.24.0.3 etc. While I have some sympathy with your point about the size of the change, there are no major changes to the core application - it is just the removal of one module - so a full minor version number chnage would also seem a bit much. daz had to go with one and chose this, perhaps because for many users 3Delight does not seem to be a major element.

    As for the (currently alpha) next major version, it is Daz Studio 6 as a technical numbering but Daz Studio 2025 (or 2026) for presentation - see https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/9137741/#Comment_9137741 (I must admit to finding the longer FeatureSet number harder to parse than the smaller numbers in separated groups, but no dount it will become familiar).

  • Richard Haseltine said:

    Havos said:

    namffuak said:

    Bejaymac said:

    I take it this will also mean DS 2 and 3 will no longer be available.

    Been using DS since 1.3, sad to say but 4.24.0.3 will be my last version of Studio, no use for Filament, and Iray is crap imho, can't even handle an Alpha channel without having to jump through hoops.

    DS versions 1, 2 and 3 (final release versions) are still showing in my product library - I suspect that they will go away before the end of the month as they are all 3DL.

    I have copies of all downloaded quite a while ago but never used; TBH I wouldn't be surprized to find the installers won't work on current systems. 

    I doubt you will be unable to download previous purchases due to DAZ no longer having the licence. I believe it means they can not distribute it to new users, but can still give old copies to existing customers. As such I expect 1-3 to remain available to download for all of us that own them.

    No, they cannot distribute it to anyone as I understand  it - hence everyone losing 3delight in DS 4.

    Does this mean that I will no longer be able to dowload DS 3 from my library? 

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,459

    Charlie Judge said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Havos said:

    namffuak said:

    Bejaymac said:

    I take it this will also mean DS 2 and 3 will no longer be available.

    Been using DS since 1.3, sad to say but 4.24.0.3 will be my last version of Studio, no use for Filament, and Iray is crap imho, can't even handle an Alpha channel without having to jump through hoops.

    DS versions 1, 2 and 3 (final release versions) are still showing in my product library - I suspect that they will go away before the end of the month as they are all 3DL.

    I have copies of all downloaded quite a while ago but never used; TBH I wouldn't be surprized to find the installers won't work on current systems. 

    I doubt you will be unable to download previous purchases due to DAZ no longer having the licence. I believe it means they can not distribute it to new users, but can still give old copies to existing customers. As such I expect 1-3 to remain available to download for all of us that own them.

    No, they cannot distribute it to anyone as I understand  it - hence everyone losing 3delight in DS 4.

    Does this mean that I will no longer be able to dowload DS 3 from my library? 

    Given that  DS3 is just 3DL - that has been my assumption. With luck Daz will leave it until the 31st. 

  • Charlie Judge said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Havos said:

    namffuak said:

    Bejaymac said:

    I take it this will also mean DS 2 and 3 will no longer be available.

    Been using DS since 1.3, sad to say but 4.24.0.3 will be my last version of Studio, no use for Filament, and Iray is crap imho, can't even handle an Alpha channel without having to jump through hoops.

    DS versions 1, 2 and 3 (final release versions) are still showing in my product library - I suspect that they will go away before the end of the month as they are all 3DL.

    I have copies of all downloaded quite a while ago but never used; TBH I wouldn't be surprized to find the installers won't work on current systems. 

    I doubt you will be unable to download previous purchases due to DAZ no longer having the licence. I believe it means they can not distribute it to new users, but can still give old copies to existing customers. As such I expect 1-3 to remain available to download for all of us that own them.

    No, they cannot distribute it to anyone as I understand  it - hence everyone losing 3delight in DS 4.

    Does this mean that I will no longer be able to dowload DS 3 from my library? 

    It would be prudent to back it up, but I don't have any concrete information.

  • PixelPiePixelPie Posts: 377
    edited December 2025

    I am completely confused.  So what is available to download from our product library is 424.04... and not 424.03 which 424.03 is the one WITH 3DL included? .. Does 424.04 have the 3DL engine?.  I apologize if this is redundant but I would like to know.  I downloaded something from DIM which appeared to overwrite what was in my downloads folder

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  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,459

    There is a version of DS in DIM dated 12/22/25. Is that the new one? I put it in a storage folder and have not installed it.

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,459

    Torquinox said:

    There is a version of DS in DIM dated 12/22/25. Is that the new one? I put it in a storage folder and have not installed it.

    Looks like it - the 4.24.0.3  is 744 MB; this one is 736 MB. I'm going to assume the missing 8 MB is the 3DL render engine and possible support files.

  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 2,267

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I just Downloaded and installed registered D|S 2 & 3 on my Win 10

    had to run in compatibility mode

    Windows is stuck generating a report, will have to kill that

    both work

    yes, I know I didn't need to

    just felt nostalgic 

    I was not able to install the 64 bit versions. The 32-bit versions installed and ran. Version 2 wanted me to enter a serial number that I couldn't find. The serial number for version 3 was there. 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,459

    namffuak said:

    Torquinox said:

    There is a version of DS in DIM dated 12/22/25. Is that the new one? I put it in a storage folder and have not installed it.

    Looks like it - the 4.24.0.3  is 744 MB; this one is 736 MB. I'm going to assume the missing 8 MB is the 3DL render engine and possible support files.

    All right, then! Thanks.

  • I had the D|S3 advanced version with a pro serial, I bought it on sale for a dollar if I recall

    its 64bit as well as a 32bit. version 

    D|S2 was just the free version but I actually got it with a book called Figures, Characters and Avatars

  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 2,267

    I got that book too. It had a lot to do with me joining the forums. I got into my first argument over how I had paid for Victoria 4 with the book but the DAZ store expected me to buy Victoria 4 again to get the upgrade to Victoria 4.2. Or something like that. The book also had a lot to do with the first time I got a post deleted because I recommended to somebody to not buy the book, on the grounds of it being a scam or racket. Or something like that. I'm typing this on a phone. I'll bet the auto correct has managed to sneak something crazy into this post.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,459

    Post is coherent, @NylonGirl, nothing crazy there.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,459

    I seem to have versions of DS2 & DS3, and I have no reason to install them (AFAIK) - Also, I don't especially remember when I first got them.

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,515

    Well. It's gone now. Pour one out for 3DL. It was a tremendous workhorse.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,795

    Dec 29, 2029: 2 new DAZ Studio 4.24* releases. I hid the "4.24.0.4 Release" channel of DAZ Studio rather than download it in DIM and downloaded the "Public Beta 4.24.0.4" channel and installed it, then I confirrmed that DAZ Studio 4.24.0.3 still has 3DL & Scripted 3DL render engines and DAZ Studio Public Beta 4.24.0.4 has no 3DL or Scripted 3DL renders. I suppose I will need to again hide rather than download each new DAZ Studio "4.24*" release channel after each new version.

  • y3kmany3kman Posts: 853
    edited December 2025

    RIP 3DL.

    Is there a good reason why I should downgrade my Studio 4.24.0.3 to 4.24.0.4?

    I also forgot that I have the "check update" enabled in my application. Seeing that nag pop-up scared me.

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  • I renamed my folders in preparation as I start DIM

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,462
    edited December 2025

    NylonGirl said:

    I got that book too. It had a lot to do with me joining the forums. I got into my first argument over how I had paid for Victoria 4 with the book but the DAZ store expected me to buy Victoria 4 again to get the upgrade to Victoria 4.2. Or something like that. The book also had a lot to do with the first time I got a post deleted because I recommended to somebody to not buy the book, on the grounds of it being a scam or racket. Or something like that. I'm typing this on a phone. I'll bet the auto correct has managed to sneak something crazy into this post.

    they honored my ownership of Carrara 7 with it for  upgrade to 8

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  • LorraineLorraine Posts: 923
    edited December 2025

    3delight was my path to creation in 2007 and I'm very grateful I stumbled across DS after I found a free copy of Bryce in a magazine. I can't remember the exact timeline, I know Bryce came first and my first actual purchase in the store was DS 2.3.3.146 on Oct 22, 2007. It's been a ride, peeps!

    My very first saved render!

    i want the strawberry.jpg
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  • nonesuch00 said:

    Dec 29, 2029: 2 new DAZ Studio 4.24* releases. I hid the "4.24.0.4 Release" channel of DAZ Studio rather than download it in DIM and downloaded the "Public Beta 4.24.0.4" channel and installed it, then I confirrmed that DAZ Studio 4.24.0.3 still has 3DL & Scripted 3DL render engines and DAZ Studio Public Beta 4.24.0.4 has no 3DL or Scripted 3DL renders. I suppose I will need to again hide rather than download each new DAZ Studio "4.24*" release channel after each new version.

    You hid a release channel, not a version, and barring bugs there are unlikely to be any further updates to DS 4. However, if you ever need to reinstall the system or move to a new machine you will want the installers so hiding the update isn't really a way to keep 3Delight safe, just a way to avoid having to do a revert instalaltion of the old version.

  • vrba79vrba79 Posts: 1,515
    I was just thinking about how I never got around to releasing that v2.0 of my DzDefault Toontorial. Guess it doesn't matter now.
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