Announcement about phasing out 3Delight - do we lose our 3Delight products?

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  • felisfelis Posts: 6,046
    edited December 2025

    If with "installation" you are talking of Daz Studio, it will be replaced if you install a new - not DS 6, that is a seperate install.

    If you are refering to your content, that remains unchanged.

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  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,342

    I routinely make a backup copy of all my DAZ Originals. 

    That should cover me.

  • kprkpr Posts: 345

    IF this is only 3DL related plugins, then fine for me as I don't use any AFAIK (do feel disappointed that so many who do use 3DL - and still make some great renders with it - aren't getting better instructions and DL links so they can make sure their app keeps functioning)

    When 2025 come along - including plugins which won't get a 2025-conversion  (like meshgrabber etc)? - then hopefully either 2025 becomes a new DIM install to co-exist alongside 2024 and/or its backup and download is handled more smoothly than this as it seems a lot of plugins everyone uses are going to get nuked

  • WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I feel for all those who love their LAMH furred animals that are not covered by catalyzer

    (only AMs are)

    Full LaMH can export to OBJ, though of course that is data-heavy.

    I would love all the furry things fur freebies to be added too even if it meant selling them to us

    I still use 3Delight specifically to render png images of the furred critters, it's painfully slow but I am slowly building up a collection of differently posed animals if not animated 

    I resort to using Ai to often animate them

    of course if retro Dforce hairs were sold for everything that would also be an option but I don't think it's possible for Poser format/legacy cr2 characters 

    now, if LAMH curves could be made to render in iray

    this would be a nonissue

  • kpr said:

    IF this is only 3DL related plugins, then fine for me as I don't use any AFAIK (do feel disappointed that so many who do use 3DL - and still make some great renders with it - aren't getting better instructions and DL links so they can make sure their app keeps functioning)

    When 2025 come along - including plugins which won't get a 2025-conversion  (like meshgrabber etc)? - then hopefully either 2025 becomes a new DIM install to co-exist alongside 2024 and/or its backup and download is handled more smoothly than this as it seems a lot of plugins everyone uses are going to get nuked

    DS6 will co-exist with DS4, it already does. 

  • y3kman said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    Can I back it up manually by simply downloading files? If so could some one point me to exactly what files I need to download?

    https://www.daz3d.com/downloader/customer/files#prod_13176

    That's a link to your product library for Daz Studio. The manual downloads are there.

    Better to use the filter DoctorJelybean provided for DIM - the stand-alone installers can be problematic if mixed with DIM, and OS updates can break them (at least to an extent it already has - with the oldest installers we had to cancel the search for target folders or the installer would lock up until the system was restarted; the current installers don't yet have issues but there is no guarantee they won't in future. With DIM the installer part gets updated independently of the content package).

  • ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    tried doing what it says basic settings navigate to package archive which only shows photoshop bridge and GOZ typed in the DazStudio424 and nothing shows guess I am too late so from this the hdrs in 3delight are useless as well as shaders/materials, lights, what about all the clothing, props, characters extra I've got around 3TB of products installed lot of old content the 4 gen models, some gen1, heaps of gen 2 and gen 3 still use and yeah I do iray uber them but will they still be usable accessable last time reinstalled everything got screwed up still got to uninstall reinstall update meta several times with several products to be able to access them several times in fact 

    So far only the Private Build has been updated, acording to the change log. If you have/had DIM set to delete files on instalaltion you may not have the packages right now, similarly if you used the stand-alone installers (see my previous post on why those are risky). If you used DIM and it deleted the packages, uninstal the application and plug-ins (you can use Doctorjellybean's filter for that) and they will appear for download (if not, try enabling the option to show hidden) and you can redownload them for back up. The Public and General Reelase Builds will be updated this year, so don't wait.

  • kyoto kid said:

    ...so if you saved the installer for 4.24.03 that will still have the current 3DL engine, correct? 

    Yes, though it would be prudent to grab the Daz plug-ins (those get updated with every build). PA plug-ins get compiled against the basic 4.5 SDK, possibly using QObject or the like to access new features, and so don't depend on a specific version of DS (which is why they don't need reinstaling after every update).

    I an unable to install it until my system can be upgraded to meet Win 11 requirements due to Nvidia longer supporting driver updates for WIn 7 since Daz ver. 4.21.0.5,  .With the recent spike in DRAM prices, it  will take a while longer scrape up the funds needed.

    With the plugins I have for 3DL it renders just about as well and in less time than Iray on the CPU. 

    Given Nvidia's announcement that  they will be scaling back production of consumer GPUs next year, 3DL could become more attractive as a smaller supply of GPUs will cause prices to skyrocket as they did during the Cypto mining craze several years ago.  We will likely see scalpers buy up large lots as happened back then, to sell them at ridiculously high prices again.

    As far as I know the reduced production is "reproted" not a"announced", so treat with caution.

  • Torquinox said:

    The main problem with 3DL w/respect to DS is, the version of 3DL in DS is quite out of date and the language has changed in ways that would make all existing DS 3DL scenes unusable - They would not render.

    Right, asnd that I think is why there is no shader-compatible version of 3Delight that can be intefrated into DS 2025

    IRAY has also changed, and that's why 4.x versions of DS won't work with RTX 50xx graphics cards. It's all sort of a mess right now.

    That is not an issue of Iray as such changing but of the support for 50x0 cards depending on a version that apaprently could not be made compatible with DS 4 (if you look at the change logs there was an initial release which daz integrated into a DS 4 build, but it had to be pulled and the "fixes" came only in a package that couldn't be added to DS 4).

  • nonesuch00 said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    nonesuch00 said:

    Aren't you guys going to stop updates to 4.24 soon anyway? Why bother updating it at all to remove the 3DL if it's being updated no more since you've never allowed downloads of old versions anyway.

    Older versions of a given major version are not available, older major versions are - DS 4 will remain available (just as well as we know some plug-ins etc. will not be updated). Daz will not be allowed to distribute 3Delight after the end of the year (they have to pay for it, and cannot integrate it into DS 2025 in a useful way - any version of 3Delight that could be binary compatible lacks the RSL shader support that DS 3Delight content needs). If daz continued to distribute DS 4 with 3Delight they would be in breach of the license terms.

    Once I download the new DAZ Studio 4* without the 3DL and install that, can I just copy the saved *DAZSTUDIO424* into DIM & then have DIM reinstall the old 424 version so that it coexists with the new version & doesn't get erased by further new DAZ Studio 4* versions?

    You can reinstalll the old version by coipying its installers into the DIM Downloads folder and working with DIM offline, but installing two vesions of the same major version and release channel is not supported.

    OK, thanks. So no more updates foor my DAZ Studioo 4.24 Release, only DAZ Studio 4.24 Public Beta

    All release channels must be updated by the end of the year, since Daz will no longer have the right to distribute 3Delight. You need to back up the isntallers for any release channel that you use.

  • vrba79 said:

    This begs the question: How will Daz3D help out users who can't realistically do much Iray? Some artists use 3Delight, because they don't have a GPU that can cut the mustard, and Filament has some pretty glaring deficiencies when it comes to things like strand hair and transparencies.

    Daz is helping out b6yb making sure people are aware that they need to back up their installers - which they have been doing for some time. There is nothing else they can do.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,918
    edited December 2025

    for clarification, as I'm confused again. For instance, I have a ton of older products that are 3Delight based. I use Sickleyields 3Delight to Iray converter on these all the time. Will that combination continue to work? Will those 3Delight products remain in my account and able to be used?  I haven't rendered with 3Delight pretty much since Iray was introduced. 

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  • Cam Fox said:

    I'm still quite fuzzy about whether we need to archive each and every bit of 3Delight content and whether unbought content will disappear from the store. I get that Daz can't redistribute unlicensed 3Delight property but that sort of begs the question whether plugins or assets for it are also scoped to that same expiring license.

    From the orange banner link: https://www.daz3d.com/blog/daz-studio-2025-alpha-updates

    It specifically says:

    Here’s what you need to do:

    Back up your version of Daz Studio 4.24
    Save any 3Delight-related plug-ins or add-ons you rely on
    Consider saving important 3Delight scenes or assets for future use

    Which seems to cover the versions of Daz Studio with that render engine, all plugins, all store and purchased assets. (Daz would still be distributing 3Delight content by letting us download our orders, no?) Will everything but the zips I've manually archived from my DIM downloads suddenly disappear on December 29? If I buy 3Delight content on December 28 will it disappear before I can download it?

    Content is not affected, plug-ins from PAs are not affected as they are not compiled against a specufuc build of DS. You need the application and the Daz plugins (the one that update with every new build) to be safe.

  • nemesis10 said:

    Cam Fox said:

    I'm still quite fuzzy about whether we need to archive each and every bit of 3Delight content and whether unbought content will disappear from the store. I get that Daz can't redistribute unlicensed 3Delight property but that sort of begs the question whether plugins or assets for it are also scoped to that same expiring license.

    From the orange banner link: https://www.daz3d.com/blog/daz-studio-2025-alpha-updates

    It specifically says:

    Here’s what you need to do:

    Back up your version of Daz Studio 4.24
    Save any 3Delight-related plug-ins or add-ons you rely on
    Consider saving important 3Delight scenes or assets for future use

    Which seems to cover the versions of Daz Studio with that render engine, all plugins, all store and purchased assets. (Daz would still be distributing 3Delight content by letting us download our orders, no?) Will everything but the zips I've manually archived from my DIM downloads suddenly disappear on December 29? If I buy 3Delight content on December 28 will it disappear before I can download it?

    In simple terms, you need to backup the Daz Studio application and it's associated plugins (you get a new set with each update but there are a few plugins that are third party and version specific like GenX which won't be updated to the new Daz Studio 5 so I would back up all of the plugins).  Other content like materials and lights you have purchased will continue to be there in your library.  If you do nothing, your version of Daz Studio will work as it had until you have a crash and need to redownload Daz Studio and find that there isn't a version that runs non iray stuff.  By backing up your current version, you can replace it if your computer crashes but you must do it by the deadline.

    DS4 and its plug-ins in gernala re not going away, daz has been clear that it will remain available so that people have access to the tools that can't/won't be updated.

  • I still use 3Delight toon-shading for LAMH animal renders, so I likely won't be upgrading past my current installation.

    I remember reading an old forum thread where AM announced a stand-alone LAMH program. Am I mis-remembering this? If not, are there still plans for a stand-alone LAMH release?

  • daveso said:

    this kind of scares me a bit when the new DS version comes out, I'm talking 2025, 6 or whatever its to be called. I have too much money invested in plugins, etc to lose it all when it won;t work any more in the new versions. Same with this thing going on now. If I don;t upgrade DS to whatever is now coming out, what will happen to my current installation? 

    DS 4 in general is not going anywhere, it's just 3Delight that is at issue.

  • Ron Knights said:

    I routinely make a backup copy of all my DAZ Originals. 

    That should cover me.

    As long as that includes the application and the Daz plug-ins that get updated in lockstep with the application. But see my comment above about stand-alone installers, rather than DIM packages.

  • daveso said:

    for clarification, as I'm confused again. For instance, I have a ton of older products that are 3Delight based. I use Sickleyields 3Delight to Iray converter on these all the time. Will that combination continue to work? Will those 3Delight products remain in my account and able to be used?  I haven't rendered with 3Delight pretty much since Iray was introduced. 

    If you use the version of DS 4 that has 3delight (and I would imaging the converter will work without it, but I'm not certain). 3Delight content is not going away in general, just the actual render engine itself.

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 623
    edited December 2025

    I guess it's possible for an individual to keep an old version of DS that supports 'whatever' features, but at some point Operating systems or graphic cards/drivers might no longer support the older code, and that's the end, unless you can source older components ( or some really clever person builds an emulator ).

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  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 279
    edited December 2025

    I can download the STUDIO directly from the Product Library, right? Do I need to download the items circled in red?

     

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  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 9,759
    edited December 2025

    AsuCafe said:

    I can download the STUDIO directly from the Product Library, right? Do I need to download the items circled in red?

    See this post

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/9400751/#Comment_9400751

    You should download the actual application installers as well.

    Post edited by DoctorJellybean on
  • CrescentCrescent Posts: 334

    If you're on a PC, you also need either the DAZStudio_4.24.0.3_Win32.exe file or the DAZStudio_4.24.0.3_Win64.exe file (most people use the 64 bit installer).  That's the actual program itself.  If you're on a MAC, it's the DAZStudio_4.24.0.3_Mac32.zip or DAZStudio_4.24.0.3_Mac64.zip file.

  • y3kman said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/downloader/customer/files#prod_13176

    That's a link to your product library for Daz Studio. The manual downloads are there.

    Just to let someone at DAZ know, Microsoft Edge thinks that these files are suspect.  I know they are not and I have told Microsoft they are fine, but it would probably be helpful if DAZ told Microsoft they are fine.

  • XelloszXellosz Posts: 855

    Richard Haseltine said:

    y3kman said:

    I honestly don't understand why Daz refuses to just give out direct links for past versions of Studio.

    Daz will no longer have the right to distribute 3Delight after the end of the year, so any older version that was avaialble would require exactly the same update to remove the render engine as 4.24.x.x.

    Their instructions in that page are found all the way at the bottom. Shouldn't this be placed at the very top of the page since it, IMO, classifies as a critical warning? The instructions also doesn't work for people who delete packages after installation. It's better to just manual download the files from your account's product libary.

    According to the change log only the Private Build has so far been updated in this way, so uninstal DS and the plug-ins - which won't touch settings - so that they appear in the ready To Download tab in DIM, download them, and back them up, then reinstall.

    I'm using 4.22 (The whole need connection to the server with 4.24 was a no thank you for me.). Will I be able to download and use DAZ 2025 and 4.22 on different hard drives with the same PC?

  • dracorndracorn Posts: 2,363
    edited December 2025

    Xellosz said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    y3kman said:

    I honestly don't understand why Daz refuses to just give out direct links for past versions of Studio.

    Daz will no longer have the right to distribute 3Delight after the end of the year, so any older version that was avaialble would require exactly the same update to remove the render engine as 4.24.x.x.

    Their instructions in that page are found all the way at the bottom. Shouldn't this be placed at the very top of the page since it, IMO, classifies as a critical warning? The instructions also doesn't work for people who delete packages after installation. It's better to just manual download the files from your account's product libary.

    According to the change log only the Private Build has so far been updated in this way, so uninstal DS and the plug-ins - which won't touch settings - so that they appear in the ready To Download tab in DIM, download them, and back them up, then reinstall.

    I'm using 4.22 (The whole need connection to the server with 4.24 was a no thank you for me.). Will I be able to download and use DAZ 2025 and 4.22 on different hard drives with the same PC?

    I have a copy of Daz 4.10 on a different drive on my PC, so yes that works.  It also allows me to run both at the same time.

    Post edited by dracorn on
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,286
    edited December 2025

    Here's a free Windows app for easy management (save, restore) of DAZ Studio installer files:

    https://3dcontentmanagers.com/software/inst-backup-ds

    Just extract into a folder, and run the .exe.

    Tutorial is not quite finished yet, but it currently shows how to import current files from the DIM Downloads folder, as well as how to import saved files. 

    It's currently registering the files I get in DIM, can see that DrJellyBean's list contains some more files, will have to look into this when I get my render PC up running again (system disk died yesterday) and add these as well.  You can add them manually yourself by editing the "files_pub.txt" and "files_gen.txt" in the Settings folder, if you want.

    I believe it can also be used for managfing files for DS5 (6?), haven't tested that yet, but you'll need to create a separate installation for that.

    Post edited by Taoz on
  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,898
    edited December 2025

    The whole need connection to the server with 4.24 was a no thank you for me.

    What "need connection to the server"? DS 4.24 works perfectly fine without going online.

    Will I be able to download and use DAZ 2025 and 4.22 on different hard drives with the same PC?

    DS2025 and DS4 install in different locations, like DS4 general release and beta. You can have both installed on the same PC without any problem, be it on the same drive or on different drives.

     

    Post edited by Leana on
  • dracorndracorn Posts: 2,363

    cathan01_wwg1wga said:

    I still use 3Delight toon-shading for LAMH animal renders, so I likely won't be upgrading past my current installation.

    I remember reading an old forum thread where AM announced a stand-alone LAMH program. Am I mis-remembering this? If not, are there still plans for a stand-alone LAMH release?

    Is this what you are talking about?

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  • QuasarQuasar Posts: 681

    DoctorJellybean said:

    katywhite said:

    Hi, I'm a bit confused about the announcement in regards to 3Delight (https://www.daz3d.com/blog/daz-studio-2025-alpha-updates) - I don't really use 3Delight but there are a lot of older products that only have 3Delight materials. And the announcment said:

         Back up your version of Daz Studio 4.24     Save any 3Delight-related plug-ins or add-ons you rely on     Consider saving important 3Delight scenes or assets for future use 

    So does this mean if I don't back up any assets that only have 3Delight textures I won't be able to use them anymore? Because right now I usually just load it with their 3Delight texture and then add the Uber Iray shader on top to use it. And I think anything genesis 2 and under have 3Delight only so that's a lot for me to back up anywhere. 

    If anyone can clarify this announcement I would highly appreciate it!

    Read the Renderers section

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/727631/daz-studio-2025-6-25-2025-x-evergreen ;

    So RSL will still be automatically converted to MDL, which should make old content render fine in Iray. Is that right? Even if it doesn't, loading the content and applying the MDL shaders should continue to work correctly.

    I don't know what agreement Daz has with Nvidia, but I do wish Daz could incorporate some other rendering software options too. Iray is nice, but only if you have an Nvidia card. It doesn't sound like most people are going to be able to afford good rendering PCs for very much longer either, at least for a while. I know more options would make things more complicated, though, so maybe it's not so feasible.

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,355
    edited December 2025

     

    y3kman said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    Can I back it up manually by simply downloading files? If so could some one point me to exactly what files I need to download?

    https://www.daz3d.com/downloader/customer/files#prod_13176

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    That's a link to your product library for Daz Studio. The manual downloads are there.

    DoctorJellybean said:

    Charlie Judge said:

    Can I back it up manually by simply downloading files? If so could some one point me to exactly what files I need to download?

    The following filter in DIM will give you a list of the product/package IDs for the General Release
    sku::18869,13176,16558,10673,9032,13173,16684,13000,16773,6952 && type::rx::^(?:Software|Plugin)$
    As the SDK version did not change, the 4.24.0.4 plugins are compatible with the 4.24.0.3 application, so the only one you actually need to backup for 4.24.0.3 to retain a version with 3Delight is sku::13176

    Thanks Y3kman and DoctorJellybean. That wa svery helpful. 

    Post edited by Charlie Judge on
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