Creating an injection dsx

leo04leo04 Posts: 379

Just how is [creating an injection dsx] this done.  I have created a morph of a character and used in on my GF8.1 model, but now want to at the very least get the facial features into a GF9 model.

I have tried to use the RSSY Character Converter with very disappointing results.

Directions to a tutorial would be most appreciated.

Thanks.

Post edited by Richard Haseltine on

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,072

    .dsx or a morph asset .dsf? The latter is done via File>Save As>Support Assets>Save Modifier Asset (modifier asset, not modified assets). The product and author names are used for folder names in the data/characterpath/morphs folder.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,234
    edited December 8

    Richard Haseltine said:

    .dsx or a morph asset .dsf? The latter is done via File>Save As>Support Assets>Save Modifier Asset (modifier asset, not modified assets). The product and author names are used for folder names in the data/characterpath/morphs folder.

    Will that put a G8.1 morph onto G9, as this user is trying to do? Also, G8.1 experssions aren't at all compatible with G9 are they?

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  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,746

    they said "facial features" not "facial expressions".

    Hard to answer a question that is not decipherable.

    If the OP wants to project G8.1 face morph to G9, they can use G8 clone morph for G9, and then use transfer utility to transfer favorited morph between two figures in scenes with same shape.

  • lilweeplilweep Posts: 2,746
    edited December 8

    By the way, if making a morph manually, you will need to adjust rigging to shape  and ERC freeze.  For facial morph on G9, adjust rigging for whole face but leave eyelids and eyes unadjusted, and then ERC freeze.  Next, G9 has eye script utility included with G9 essentials which you run for eyelids and eyes once the eyes are "in place", i.e., autofollow morph for eyes has already been updated.  Then that will adjust eyelid and eye rigging while also "ERC freezing" them in a sense.

    Then you can save.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,072

    Sorry, I was thinking the conversion had been done and the question was how to save it to a file. I would take features to mean shape, not expressions.

    There are, I think, one or two other converters butt here is a limit to how much they can do. In what way was the one you tried disappointing? What modelling/sculpting software and skills do you have?

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,234

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Sorry, I was thinking the conversion had been done and the question was how to save it to a file. I would take features to mean shape, not expressions.

    There are, I think, one or two other converters butt here is a limit to how much they can do. In what way was the one you tried disappointing? What modelling/sculpting software and skills do you have?

    I think you are right about "facial features" being the shape of the face, not the expression. I'm not sure how I made that leap to expression. 

    I have had excellent luck with the ManFriday converter to convert G8 to G9. I haven't tried G8.1, I don't think. The only things that need tweaking afterward are the eyes and sometimes mouth of G9, because they are separate geometry. I don't know if the ManFriday converter is still available in the store or not.

  • leo04leo04 Posts: 379

    So let me clarify what I mean.  With some assets you get dsx files that will "inject" the head or body shape of the asset, of a human model, G1, G3 ect.

    I am not talking about expressions. I am talking about the form or facial shape that gives the model its physical identity, Its "face", like the face of any person.

    i started out with a Genesis Character tweaking the facial morphs to obtain the facial features that I wanted the character to look like.

    I have susseccsullly "converted" this through several itterations from G2, G3 to G8.1.  I want to "translate"  or "convert" or what ever actionable verb you want to use to get this geometrically shaped face into the G9 model format.

    I was able to move, convert, translate, what ever you want to call the process, into a G9 model, once. I have not been able to replicate the process again. Every time I attempt this it fails and I am left with a grotesque model than is desired.

    While I  was successful in one attempt to get this into a G9 model, I have no means to further modify the body shape. If I work on any part of the body using the body morphs it distorts the entire model.

    This is a major issue as I want to modify the body shape but can't.

    What I was initially asking was how to create an injectable file whose format has a DSX extention as I have observed them to have.

    The end game is to get the "head" shape on to a G9 model then using the body morphs to fill out the female shapes and attributes of the rest of the G9 figure.

    I hope this makes my objective clearer.

    Thanks.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,072

    I am pretty sure you mean .dsf (the asset save I mentioned above, which will make the saved morph available on all Gensis 9 figures - make sure it is zeroed when you save it) or a .duf file with the shape embedded (a Character preset used to load a new figure will do that, using it to modifiy an already loaded figure won't load the morph).

  • leo04leo04 Posts: 379

    barbult said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Sorry, I was thinking the conversion had been done and the question was how to save it to a file. I would take features to mean shape, not expressions.

    There are, I think, one or two other converters butt here is a limit to how much they can do. In what way was the one you tried disappointing? What modelling/sculpting software and skills do you have?

    I think you are right about "facial features" being the shape of the face, not the expression. I'm not sure how I made that leap to expression. 

    I have had excellent luck with the ManFriday converter to convert G8 to G9. I haven't tried G8.1, I don't think. The only things that need tweaking afterward are the eyes and sometimes mouth of G9, because they are separate geometry. I don't know if the ManFriday converter is still available in the store or not.

    I was able to do it one time. Subsequent attempts failed. It all worked well but for the Breasts, specifically the nipples. When I put a G9 skin on the model the models nipples did not line up with the UV map so I have areolas located below the nipples. Very Fustrating!

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,234

    leo04 said:

    barbult said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Sorry, I was thinking the conversion had been done and the question was how to save it to a file. I would take features to mean shape, not expressions.

    There are, I think, one or two other converters butt here is a limit to how much they can do. In what way was the one you tried disappointing? What modelling/sculpting software and skills do you have?

    I think you are right about "facial features" being the shape of the face, not the expression. I'm not sure how I made that leap to expression. 

    I have had excellent luck with the ManFriday converter to convert G8 to G9. I haven't tried G8.1, I don't think. The only things that need tweaking afterward are the eyes and sometimes mouth of G9, because they are separate geometry. I don't know if the ManFriday converter is still available in the store or not.

    I was able to do it one time. Subsequent attempts failed. It all worked well but for the Breasts, specifically the nipples. When I put a G9 skin on the model the models nipples did not line up with the UV map so I have areolas located below the nipples. Very Fustrating!

    I have never noticed that problem with the Man Friday converter, but I suppose it could possibly depend on the character shape you are converting and the skin materials you are applying. If you are only concerned about facial features, why not just save separate converted head and body morphs, and dial in only the converted head morph? You could dial in any other character's body morph(s) that you like.
    I'm going to go dial in some of my converted shapes and apply a few different G9 skins and see if I ever see a mismatch like you described.

  • leo04leo04 Posts: 379

    barbult said:

    leo04 said:

    barbult said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Sorry, I was thinking the conversion had been done and the question was how to save it to a file. I would take features to mean shape, not expressions.

    There are, I think, one or two other converters butt here is a limit to how much they can do. In what way was the one you tried disappointing? What modelling/sculpting software and skills do you have?

    I think you are right about "facial features" being the shape of the face, not the expression. I'm not sure how I made that leap to expression. 

    I have had excellent luck with the ManFriday converter to convert G8 to G9. I haven't tried G8.1, I don't think. The only things that need tweaking afterward are the eyes and sometimes mouth of G9, because they are separate geometry. I don't know if the ManFriday converter is still available in the store or not.

    I was able to do it one time. Subsequent attempts failed. It all worked well but for the Breasts, specifically the nipples. When I put a G9 skin on the model the models nipples did not line up with the UV map so I have areolas located below the nipples. Very Fustrating!

    I have never noticed that problem with the Man Friday converter, but I suppose it could possibly depend on the character shape you are converting and the skin materials you are applying. If you are only concerned about facial features, why not just save separate converted head and body morphs, and dial in only the converted head morph? You could dial in any other character's body morph(s) that you like.
    I'm going to go dial in some of my converted shapes and apply a few different G9 skins and see if I ever see a mismatch like you described.

    The G8.1 is a full body morph I created from an earlier Genesis model. The original facial morphs were made in the 1st Genesis Model, (#1). I converted it through several models.  I am looking at maybe taking the head off the G9 model I was able to convert and make a model out of that to import as a morph. Not entirely sure how that will work yet.

    thanks. 

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,234

    barbult said:

    leo04 said:

    barbult said:

    Richard Haseltine said:

    Sorry, I was thinking the conversion had been done and the question was how to save it to a file. I would take features to mean shape, not expressions.

    There are, I think, one or two other converters butt here is a limit to how much they can do. In what way was the one you tried disappointing? What modelling/sculpting software and skills do you have?

    I think you are right about "facial features" being the shape of the face, not the expression. I'm not sure how I made that leap to expression. 

    I have had excellent luck with the ManFriday converter to convert G8 to G9. I haven't tried G8.1, I don't think. The only things that need tweaking afterward are the eyes and sometimes mouth of G9, because they are separate geometry. I don't know if the ManFriday converter is still available in the store or not.

    I was able to do it one time. Subsequent attempts failed. It all worked well but for the Breasts, specifically the nipples. When I put a G9 skin on the model the models nipples did not line up with the UV map so I have areolas located below the nipples. Very Fustrating!

    I have never noticed that problem with the Man Friday converter, but I suppose it could possibly depend on the character shape you are converting and the skin materials you are applying. If you are only concerned about facial features, why not just save separate converted head and body morphs, and dial in only the converted head morph? You could dial in any other character's body morph(s) that you like.
    I'm going to go dial in some of my converted shapes and apply a few different G9 skins and see if I ever see a mismatch like you described.

    I tried multiple feminine converted body morphs (converted from both G3 and G8 to G9) I tried multiple feminine skin materials (from multiple vendors). I dialed in multiple feminine nipple morphs.I could never detect any mismatch between nipple mesh location and skin material location around the areola and nipple area. I was testing with feminine morph conversions and feminine skins.

    Now, if you accidentally (or intentionally) apply a masculine skin material when a feminine nipple morph is dialed in, you will see a glaring mismatch of areola much lower than nipples on G9. G9 has separate nipple morphs for masculine and feminine, and those morphs put the nipples in different locations. Of course the opposite also applies (masculine nipple morph and feminine skin). These issues show up even when using Daz store characters, not conversions. It is the way that Daz has addressed handling different gender characteristics on the non-gendered base G9. Could that be what happened to you?

    I can't post any demonstrative images with skin materials here, because of the ban on nudity in the forum. Maybe the smooth shaded gray image is acceptable. If not, a forum mod will delete it.

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,234

    You can split a full body G9 morph into separate head morph and body morph, with a nice gradual transition between head and body, using Morph Loader Pro and the G9 HeadSplit DFormer that is part of the Genesis 9 Starter Essentials.

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