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  • ps1borgps1borg Posts: 12,776

    Morning  Rooftops and roads and glass and shiny bonnets sparkling orangey yellow in the day's first gleams from remnants of overnight tropical storms :)

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    ps1borg said:

    Morning  Rooftops and roads and glass and shiny bonnets sparkling orangey yellow in the day's first gleams from remnants of overnight tropical storms :)

    Sounds nice! smileyAnd good morning!

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,859
    TroutFace said:
    LeatherGryphon said:
    TroutFace said:

    Well, I won't be moving to Cary NC. indecision

    Interviewer called up early and told me he was going to walk me through installing "special software" that they needed to "test me".  That was Strike 1, having me install a software development environment I've never used (but heard of it so I knew the softtware was kosher).

    THEN, he tells me that he's going to have me write a "few small programs" while he and 2 team-mates watch.. every.. keystroke.. and.. typo.  Strike 2. indecision

    Aaaannnddd.. THEN.. he tells me I'll have about 15-20 minutes to finish each one, and I'm nt allowed to search on the Web for info it I don't know how to solve the problem! Strike 3.. YER OUT! angry

    What is this, high school? I easily passed this places stupid "three minutes per question" C programming test, I have shipped commercial products, and I've never been treated like I was fresh out of college before. *old man voice* dang punks have no respect for their elders *end old man voice*

    Anyway, talked to my co-workers about this and they think I did the right thing. told the interviewer it's not a good cultural fit and backed away. indecision

    Bah, hope the talk with the headhunter in Chandler AZ goes better.  It sure can't go any worse

     

    Sounds like they wanted a machine not a people.  A doer, not a thinker.  A frantic rabbit, not a thoughtful turtle.  Speed trumps insight.  The world has been reduced to cookbooks and apps.  No room for independent dreamers. 

    /begin old man voice/

    Back in the '90s I was installing world wide networks of network monitoring software "HP OpenView Suite" ($100K yearly license fee!) while working as a contractor with a small company in the Washington DC area.  I was on top of the software and could make it do most everything it was capable of and learned it all by reading the manuals and thinking.  But for unusual problems and bugs I often directly contacted the HP designers of the software here and in Germany.  Then HP wanted us to help design qualification tests for new engineers.  After seeing the type of questions they wanted I backed out of the project because I couldn't bring myself to grade people on how well they could memorize the manual and variable names.  I solved problems by understanding the "Philosophy of Operation", i.e. the flow and theory, not every grain of sand.

    /end old man voice/

     

    I feel it, brother!

    I operate by "design patterns" - I learn a concept and internalize it.  When an issue arises, I search my brain-database of concepts for a solution, decide how to implement it in whatever language I'm coding in, and do it.  No need to memorize a pile of library functions, APIs, etc. - just grab a manual and pick the things you need to implement the concept.  Apparently, that's a lost art. indecision

    It was a learning experience.. indecision

    ..same here, what I did back at the old development firm I worked  for now requires the minimum of a Bacehlor's if not Masters degree.  Crikey I helped pioneer that stuff.  Interesting in that I and a couple others who worked there were effectively hired at a local Sci Fi con.  One of the things that the owner mentioned was he wanted people who could also "think beyond the box", not just "do".

    Heady days indeed back then.  Learned a heck of a lot while I was there as well pretty much using hte same process.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,859
    TroutFace said:

    Chef salad for lunch and hot tea, oh so healthy and tasty too!

    I boiught hummus, salmon salad fixings, and some fresh herbs.. will make salmn salad tonight, and chicken salad!  Got flatbread too, and hot dogs, and string cheese.  I sure won't starve. laugh

    ...went out for Hawai'ian BBQ yesterday  My favourite place in the city is only about five blocks away. They used to have a foodie truck that would show up for lunch in NW Portland where I worked years ago.

    Still a very good price and still much more than one can eat in a single sitting.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    Hawaii sounds good, warms there

     

    polleed 4 year olds, 4 out of 4 4yo want to be spiderman for halloween.  not batman, not superman, not 4 musketeers.  

    2015 4 year olds dont know who yippie yappie and yahooie are

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,689
    MistyMist said:

    Hawaii sounds good, warms there

     

    polleed 4 year olds, 4 out of 4 4yo want to be spiderman for halloween.  not batman, not superman, not 4 musketeers.  

    2015 4 year olds dont know who yippie yappie and yahooie are

    How many 2015 40-year-olds know who they are?

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    Fixmypcmike said:
    MistyMist said:

    Hawaii sounds good, warms there

     

    polleed 4 year olds, 4 out of 4 4yo want to be spiderman for halloween.  not batman, not superman, not 4 musketeers.  

    2015 4 year olds dont know who yippie yappie and yahooie are

    How many 2015 40-year-olds know who they are?

     

    prolly have to poll the 50 + crowd :)

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2015

    Complaint!  I finally let loose my grip on $40 for a Blu-Ray player for my computer to fill the empty bay.  Looks cool, runs fine, I'd even previously purchased (many months ago) Corel WinDVD Pro 11 so that I could play Blu-Ray movies.  It was an OEM so it didn't come with instructions or software or cables but I had cables.  I got the latest download from Corel.  And who needs instructions? 

    I crawled under my computer desk (not an easy thing to do anymore), blindly disconnected the cables, heaved up the case onto the desk, opened it up, blew out the dust (outside, wearing a dust mask), inserted my new prize, cabled it up, heaved it back down under the table, crawled under the desk again (much harder this time), blindly felt around and reconnected all the cables into apparently the correct sockets. Turned on the computer, inserted a Blu-Ray disk, updated the software, and Ta-Da it worked! 

    Then I tried another Blu-Ray disk and it comes up saying it gets an "AACS" error (or something like that) which after much Googleing turns out to be that it doesn't like to run when the video circuits detect a DVI conversion to HDMI in the system.  The first Blu-Ray disk still works though.  I've got all the latest software updates and patches so this is probably a digital rights issue for some Blu-Ray disks.  I think the issue is my video card which has both DVI and HDMI outputs.  Bah, Humbug! sad  But the biggest issue for me is that apparently they've also sucessfully blocked any ability to get a screen snap of any Blu-Ray playing.  I can get a screen snap from standard DVDs using that drive but not any of the a Blu-Ray disks I've tried,  even when it plays. crying

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,339

    A thought for Wednesday morning...

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    Tjohn said:

    A thought for Wednesday morning...

     

    these actually cat toys.  marketing towards the discerning kittehs.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    LeatherGryphon said:

    Complaint!  I finally let loose my grip on $40 for a Blu-Ray player for my computer to fill the empty bay.  Looks cool, runs fine, I'd even previously purchased (many months ago) Corel WinDVD Pro 11 so that I could play Blu-Ray movies.  It was an OEM so it didn't come with instructions or software or cables but I had cables.  I got the latest download from Corel.  And who needs instructions? 

    I crawled under my computer desk (not an easy thing to do anymore), blindly disconnected the cables, heaved up the case onto the desk, opened it up, blew out the dust (outside, wearing a dust mask), inserted my new prize, cabled it up, heaved it back down under the table, crawled under the desk again (much harder this time), blindly felt around and reconnected all the cables into apparently the correct sockets. Turned on the computer, inserted a Blu-Ray disk, updated the software, and Ta-Da it worked! 

    Then I tried another Blu-Ray disk and it comes up saying it gets an "AACS" error (or something like that) which after much Googleing turns out to be that it doesn't like to run when the video circuits detect a DVI conversion to HDMI in the system.  The first Blu-Ray disk still works though.  I've got all the latest software updates and patches so this is probably a digital rights issue for some Blu-Ray disks.  I think the issue is my video card which has both DVI and HDMI outputs.  Bah, Humbug! sad  But the biggest issue for me is that apparently they've also sucessfully blocked any ability to get a screen snap of any Blu-Ray playing.  I can get a screen snap from standard DVDs using that drive but not any of the a Blu-Ray disks I've tried,  even when it plays. crying


    sounds like a major headache  doh

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    kyoto kid said:
    TroutFace said:
    LeatherGryphon said:
    TroutFace said:

    Well, I won't be moving to Cary NC. indecision

    Interviewer called up early and told me he was going to walk me through installing "special software" that they needed to "test me".  That was Strike 1, having me install a software development environment I've never used (but heard of it so I knew the softtware was kosher).

    THEN, he tells me that he's going to have me write a "few small programs" while he and 2 team-mates watch.. every.. keystroke.. and.. typo.  Strike 2. indecision

    Aaaannnddd.. THEN.. he tells me I'll have about 15-20 minutes to finish each one, and I'm nt allowed to search on the Web for info it I don't know how to solve the problem! Strike 3.. YER OUT! angry

    What is this, high school? I easily passed this places stupid "three minutes per question" C programming test, I have shipped commercial products, and I've never been treated like I was fresh out of college before. *old man voice* dang punks have no respect for their elders *end old man voice*

    Anyway, talked to my co-workers about this and they think I did the right thing. told the interviewer it's not a good cultural fit and backed away. indecision

    Bah, hope the talk with the headhunter in Chandler AZ goes better.  It sure can't go any worse

     

    Sounds like they wanted a machine not a people.  A doer, not a thinker.  A frantic rabbit, not a thoughtful turtle.  Speed trumps insight.  The world has been reduced to cookbooks and apps.  No room for independent dreamers. 

    /begin old man voice/

    Back in the '90s I was installing world wide networks of network monitoring software "HP OpenView Suite" ($100K yearly license fee!) while working as a contractor with a small company in the Washington DC area.  I was on top of the software and could make it do most everything it was capable of and learned it all by reading the manuals and thinking.  But for unusual problems and bugs I often directly contacted the HP designers of the software here and in Germany.  Then HP wanted us to help design qualification tests for new engineers.  After seeing the type of questions they wanted I backed out of the project because I couldn't bring myself to grade people on how well they could memorize the manual and variable names.  I solved problems by understanding the "Philosophy of Operation", i.e. the flow and theory, not every grain of sand.

    /end old man voice/

     

    I feel it, brother!

    I operate by "design patterns" - I learn a concept and internalize it.  When an issue arises, I search my brain-database of concepts for a solution, decide how to implement it in whatever language I'm coding in, and do it.  No need to memorize a pile of library functions, APIs, etc. - just grab a manual and pick the things you need to implement the concept.  Apparently, that's a lost art. indecision

    It was a learning experience.. indecision

    ..same here, what I did back at the old development firm I worked  for now requires the minimum of a Bacehlor's if not Masters degree.  Crikey I helped pioneer that stuff.  Interesting in that I and a couple others who worked there were effectively hired at a local Sci Fi con.  One of the things that the owner mentioned was he wanted people who could also "think beyond the box", not just "do".

    Heady days indeed back then.  Learned a heck of a lot while I was there as well pretty much using hte same process.

    How times have changed, and not always for the better.  Now most places are just looking for a code droid. indecision

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    kyoto kid said:
    TroutFace said:

    Chef salad for lunch and hot tea, oh so healthy and tasty too!

    I boiught hummus, salmon salad fixings, and some fresh herbs.. will make salmn salad tonight, and chicken salad!  Got flatbread too, and hot dogs, and string cheese.  I sure won't starve. laugh

    ...went out for Hawai'ian BBQ yesterday  My favourite place in the city is only about five blocks away. They used to have a foodie truck that would show up for lunch in NW Portland where I worked years ago.

    Still a very good price and still much more than one can eat in a single sitting.

    Oh man, I wish there was a Hawaiian BBQ place here! I have some money set aside for treats on occasion.. I'd spend some! laugh

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,339
    edited October 2015
    TroutFace said:
    kyoto kid said:
    TroutFace said:

    Chef salad for lunch and hot tea, oh so healthy and tasty too!

    I boiught hummus, salmon salad fixings, and some fresh herbs.. will make salmn salad tonight, and chicken salad!  Got flatbread too, and hot dogs, and string cheese.  I sure won't starve. laugh

    ...went out for Hawai'ian BBQ yesterday  My favourite place in the city is only about five blocks away. They used to have a foodie truck that would show up for lunch in NW Portland where I worked years ago.

    Still a very good price and still much more than one can eat in a single sitting.

    Oh man, I wish there was a Hawaiian BBQ place here! I have some money set aside for treats on occasion.. I'd spend some! laugh

    Just fry up some Spam™ slices with pineapple rings on them. laugh

    Post edited by TJohn on
  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,096
    TroutFace said:
    kyoto kid said:
    TroutFace said:
    LeatherGryphon said:
    TroutFace said:

    Well, I won't be moving to Cary NC. indecision

    Interviewer called up early and told me he was going to walk me through installing "special software" that they needed to "test me".  That was Strike 1, having me install a software development environment I've never used (but heard of it so I knew the softtware was kosher).

    THEN, he tells me that he's going to have me write a "few small programs" while he and 2 team-mates watch.. every.. keystroke.. and.. typo.  Strike 2. indecision

    Aaaannnddd.. THEN.. he tells me I'll have about 15-20 minutes to finish each one, and I'm nt allowed to search on the Web for info it I don't know how to solve the problem! Strike 3.. YER OUT! angry

    What is this, high school? I easily passed this places stupid "three minutes per question" C programming test, I have shipped commercial products, and I've never been treated like I was fresh out of college before. *old man voice* dang punks have no respect for their elders *end old man voice*

    Anyway, talked to my co-workers about this and they think I did the right thing. told the interviewer it's not a good cultural fit and backed away. indecision

    Bah, hope the talk with the headhunter in Chandler AZ goes better.  It sure can't go any worse

     

    Sounds like they wanted a machine not a people.  A doer, not a thinker.  A frantic rabbit, not a thoughtful turtle.  Speed trumps insight.  The world has been reduced to cookbooks and apps.  No room for independent dreamers. 

    /begin old man voice/

    Back in the '90s I was installing world wide networks of network monitoring software "HP OpenView Suite" ($100K yearly license fee!) while working as a contractor with a small company in the Washington DC area.  I was on top of the software and could make it do most everything it was capable of and learned it all by reading the manuals and thinking.  But for unusual problems and bugs I often directly contacted the HP designers of the software here and in Germany.  Then HP wanted us to help design qualification tests for new engineers.  After seeing the type of questions they wanted I backed out of the project because I couldn't bring myself to grade people on how well they could memorize the manual and variable names.  I solved problems by understanding the "Philosophy of Operation", i.e. the flow and theory, not every grain of sand.

    /end old man voice/

     

    I feel it, brother!

    I operate by "design patterns" - I learn a concept and internalize it.  When an issue arises, I search my brain-database of concepts for a solution, decide how to implement it in whatever language I'm coding in, and do it.  No need to memorize a pile of library functions, APIs, etc. - just grab a manual and pick the things you need to implement the concept.  Apparently, that's a lost art. indecision

    It was a learning experience.. indecision

    ..same here, what I did back at the old development firm I worked  for now requires the minimum of a Bacehlor's if not Masters degree.  Crikey I helped pioneer that stuff.  Interesting in that I and a couple others who worked there were effectively hired at a local Sci Fi con.  One of the things that the owner mentioned was he wanted people who could also "think beyond the box", not just "do".

    Heady days indeed back then.  Learned a heck of a lot while I was there as well pretty much using hte same process.

    How times have changed, and not always for the better.  Now most places are just looking for a code droid. indecision

    Agreed, but even in my early days (60s, 70s) firms measured software progress in "Lines of Code" as if somehow quantity related to quality.  As a network engineer/consultant In the 90s one of the best projects I worked on had only three very bright  members in our team.  We produced the product in 6 months and exhibited the it at an HP OpenView convention and competitors in the same market were wowed with the functionality and then flabbergasted when we described our development time and team size.  Some admitting that they would have tackled the problem with a team of 10 or 15 and taken two years. 

     

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    Tjohn said:
    TroutFace said:
    kyoto kid said:
    TroutFace said:

    Chef salad for lunch and hot tea, oh so healthy and tasty too!

    I boiught hummus, salmon salad fixings, and some fresh herbs.. will make salmn salad tonight, and chicken salad!  Got flatbread too, and hot dogs, and string cheese.  I sure won't starve. laugh

    ...went out for Hawai'ian BBQ yesterday  My favourite place in the city is only about five blocks away. They used to have a foodie truck that would show up for lunch in NW Portland where I worked years ago.

    Still a very good price and still much more than one can eat in a single sitting.

    Oh man, I wish there was a Hawaiian BBQ place here! I have some money set aside for treats on occasion.. I'd spend some! laugh

    Just fry up some Spam™ slices with pineapple rings on them. laugh

    LOL, could work! surprise

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    LeatherGryphon said:
    TroutFace said:
    kyoto kid said:
    TroutFace said:
    LeatherGryphon said:
    TroutFace said:

    Well, I won't be moving to Cary NC. indecision

    Interviewer called up early and told me he was going to walk me through installing "special software" that they needed to "test me".  That was Strike 1, having me install a software development environment I've never used (but heard of it so I knew the softtware was kosher).

    THEN, he tells me that he's going to have me write a "few small programs" while he and 2 team-mates watch.. every.. keystroke.. and.. typo.  Strike 2. indecision

    Aaaannnddd.. THEN.. he tells me I'll have about 15-20 minutes to finish each one, and I'm nt allowed to search on the Web for info it I don't know how to solve the problem! Strike 3.. YER OUT! angry

    What is this, high school? I easily passed this places stupid "three minutes per question" C programming test, I have shipped commercial products, and I've never been treated like I was fresh out of college before. *old man voice* dang punks have no respect for their elders *end old man voice*

    Anyway, talked to my co-workers about this and they think I did the right thing. told the interviewer it's not a good cultural fit and backed away. indecision

    Bah, hope the talk with the headhunter in Chandler AZ goes better.  It sure can't go any worse

     

    Sounds like they wanted a machine not a people.  A doer, not a thinker.  A frantic rabbit, not a thoughtful turtle.  Speed trumps insight.  The world has been reduced to cookbooks and apps.  No room for independent dreamers. 

    /begin old man voice/

    Back in the '90s I was installing world wide networks of network monitoring software "HP OpenView Suite" ($100K yearly license fee!) while working as a contractor with a small company in the Washington DC area.  I was on top of the software and could make it do most everything it was capable of and learned it all by reading the manuals and thinking.  But for unusual problems and bugs I often directly contacted the HP designers of the software here and in Germany.  Then HP wanted us to help design qualification tests for new engineers.  After seeing the type of questions they wanted I backed out of the project because I couldn't bring myself to grade people on how well they could memorize the manual and variable names.  I solved problems by understanding the "Philosophy of Operation", i.e. the flow and theory, not every grain of sand.

    /end old man voice/

     

    I feel it, brother!

    I operate by "design patterns" - I learn a concept and internalize it.  When an issue arises, I search my brain-database of concepts for a solution, decide how to implement it in whatever language I'm coding in, and do it.  No need to memorize a pile of library functions, APIs, etc. - just grab a manual and pick the things you need to implement the concept.  Apparently, that's a lost art. indecision

    It was a learning experience.. indecision

    ..same here, what I did back at the old development firm I worked  for now requires the minimum of a Bacehlor's if not Masters degree.  Crikey I helped pioneer that stuff.  Interesting in that I and a couple others who worked there were effectively hired at a local Sci Fi con.  One of the things that the owner mentioned was he wanted people who could also "think beyond the box", not just "do".

    Heady days indeed back then.  Learned a heck of a lot while I was there as well pretty much using hte same process.

    How times have changed, and not always for the better.  Now most places are just looking for a code droid. indecision

    Agreed, but even in my early days (60s, 70s) firms measured software progress in "Lines of Code" as if somehow quantity related to quality.  As a network engineer/consultant In the 90s one of the best projects I worked on had only three very bright  members in our team.  We produced the product in 6 months and exhibited the it at an HP OpenView convention and competitors in the same market were wowed with the functionality and then flabbergasted when we described our development time and team size.  Some admitting that they would have tackled the problem with a team of 10 or 15 and taken two years. 

     

    The only metric we use here is "completed features". and in my past 45 jobs nobody counted LOC.  But I recall the days at EDS where every Friday was line-count day.. yecch.. yeah, glad we're past that.

    Our development team is.. me.  Yep, ONE software guy and ONE hardware guy.  Bloody amazing we got this thing working at all.  I  did a line count for fun and just the ode I wrote (not ported) sits at 20 THOUSAND lines. surpriseindecision

    I can use the break I'm going to get, I suppose.

    Back to polishing up my C++ and 3D graphics...

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    cucumber and carrots ranch dressing.  tasty but not really satisfying. 

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075

    A Hummus sandwich, leftover salad, and cheese here.  I could use some meat, but.. dunno if I want to pay that much. indecision

    Octoberfest this weekend, but it's going to rain.. went last year and had fun but will pass this time. No bus stops nearby and it's a $25 cab ride one way! surprise So, I'm going to take the cab fare I would have had to spend and buy some fancy bratwurst to cook, and a few sixes of fancy German beer, and Octoberfest at home all weekend!  This saves me more money as they charge admission (argh) and the food and beer is insanely overpriced (come on, a single bratwurst dog for $7 and $10 beer)!! angry

    Meh. indecision

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2015

    IMHO alcohol is highly overrated, a cultural fantasy.  I've been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, burned it!

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075

    Beer is life!  Well, beer makes me fat and happy vodka makes me stupid and happy, bratwurst just make me plain old happy. laugh

    My brain hurts, the new programmable rendering pipeline is three times more complex than the fixed-function one I used to use is hurting my brain.. crying

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,096
    TroutFace said:

    Beer is life!  Well, beer makes me fat and happy vodka makes me stupid and happy, bratwurst just make me plain old happy. laugh

    My brain hurts, the new programmable rendering pipeline is three times more complex than the fixed-function one I used to use is hurting my brain.. crying

    Oatmeal and prune juice makes me plain old happy. frown

     

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    LeatherGryphon said:
    TroutFace said:

    Beer is life!  Well, beer makes me fat and happy vodka makes me stupid and happy, bratwurst just make me plain old happy. laugh

    My brain hurts, the new programmable rendering pipeline is three times more complex than the fixed-function one I used to use is hurting my brain.. crying

    Oatmeal and prune juice makes me plain old happy. frown

     

    ..scared now... surprise

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,266
    MistyMist said:
    Tjohn said:

    A thought for Wednesday morning...

     

    these actually cat toys.  marketing towards the discerning kittehs.

     I thought it was for put roaches into the big swirly bowl (aka toilet)

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2015
    TroutFace said:
    LeatherGryphon said:
    TroutFace said:

    Beer is life!  Well, beer makes me fat and happy vodka makes me stupid and happy, bratwurst just make me plain old happy. laugh

    My brain hurts, the new programmable rendering pipeline is three times more complex than the fixed-function one I used to use is hurting my brain.. crying

    Oatmeal and prune juice makes me plain old happy. frown

     

    ..scared now... surprise

    You have reason to be.  Worf said this about prune juice: "a warrior's drink". devil

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgzbKe6_DN4

     

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,266

    Prune juice makes me feel like a prune.

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075

    4 cups of coffee, still sleepy.  Talking on the phone for 45 minutes, several times a day, is tiring. sad

    Will sleep late this weekend! smiley

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    long hard day packing, shipping, getting stuff off the floor on to shelves.  gonna feel it tomorrow.  my arms feel like rubber

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075
    MistyMist said:

    long hard day packing, shipping, getting stuff off the floor on to shelves.  gonna feel it tomorrow.  my arms feel like rubber

    *hands you a nice heating pad*

     

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    thanks.  sits on heating pad  :)  and 2 aleves.

    i need something special for dinner, for all my troubles today.  there's a Green Cactus near my bus stop.  cheesie steak quesadillas 

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