Does the art community think your DAZ renders are AI????

Llola Lane · June 25

richardandtracy said:

If you ever want a very capable freebie program to create cross stitch charts, I don't think you'll get a better conversion than my one here - ChestnutPens 'Blend Threads' Program - It's a harder to use to generate new charts from scratch than the commercial programs using the built in vector based image editor, but the quality of the conversion & ease of using blended threads is considerably better than any commercial program. The produced chart is a pdf, which is big and slow to generate, but it gets there.

I have evidence that the Heaven And Earth Designs charts (frequently considered the epitome of precision and complexity) are less accurate generally and in the dark areas are much worse than mine. I even created a thread colour chart for DMC colours because the widely available thread colour values used by three of the commercial programs are quite inaccurate for the brightest and darkest colours.

Regards,

Richard

OOO thank you Richard... alas my cross stitch days are over for big projects but it may be fun to work on small Christmas Ornaments or jewelry :) The program looks very similar to what I bought when I worked at the Sewing Shoppe I worked at 20ish years ago. :)

Llola Lane · June 25

MimicMolly said:

My friend did, but it wasn't about my art. She shared a book cover on our private Discord that featured a heavily filtered/edited DAZ character. She was curious about how the character was made since "the author's books with these covers are from before AI became mainestream." While I could pull up the pic in question, I don't want to single out the author. In my friend's case, the problem with the DAZ render was that it used a transparency of the character with clothes and hair, and the background and lighting didn't match. Then, there was a filter applied to it, giving it an "uncanny" look. She did not mean to insult the work, it just looked odd to her, and she was curious about how it was made. Anyway, I nearly succeeded in trying to get her into DAZ, after trying to de-mystify everything. I was so close. At least I got her to consider commissioning a proper DAZ artist, if she'd like her own custom book cover created, someday.

The other problem that I see a lot is that some people like to throw accusations around that pics are AI art, but it's to cause trouble. They have learned that calling something "AI" is a grave insult to artists. Then, there's other people who think bad edits or crooked illustrations are AI, as if they can't comprehend human error. Either way, they will either get uncomfortable in being told to prove its AI (after being shown the 3D wireframe or the WIP of the illustration) or they will double-down in being absolutely wrong. The latter seems to have happened with that gallery coordinator, which is why they altered the rules to ban similar 3D renders.

I think you are right Molly... plus the fact that she RUNS the event so maybe her head is getting a little to big for her britches (as grandma would say)... lol. Models in SL tend to be pretty snooty... I should have known she would not be the exception... they tend to stick together. Her loss... My artworks sell pretty good in SL and I'll find another more reputable charity to help. Thank you for your insite... you are so wise :)

WendyLuvsCatz · June 25

from my own observation particularly on Facebook

people who don't use Ai themselves are usually hopeless at spotting Ai

I see it among my DAZ/Poser rendering friends too

so many times I had to point out something was to me very obviously AI

pointing out specific telltale things

strange text, fingers that merge are extra or missing, 2 thumbs etc

doors that disappear/meld into countertops

cupboards that change trimings as they reach the oddly arranged stove knobs

once seen you cannot unsee it

I have also conversely pointed out digital manipulation to people thinking something is Ai

cats with huge fluffy tails for instance that are photographs where the tail has been snipped, selected and cage transformed

Llola Lane · June 25

WendyLuvsCatz said:

from my own observation particularly on Facebook

people who don't use Ai themselves are usually hopeless at spotting Ai

I see it among my DAZ/Poser rendering friends too

so many times I had to point out something was to me very obviously AI

pointing out specific telltale things

strange text, fingers that merge are extra or missing, 2 thumbs etc

doors that disappear/meld into countertops

cupboards that change trimings as they reach the oddly arranged stove knobs

once seen you cannot unsee it

I have also conversely pointed out digital manipulation to people thinking something is Ai

cats with huge fluffy tails for instance that are photographs where the tail has been snipped, selected and cage transformed

That is so true Wendy... I even joked with her that my artwork is NOT AI... just look and count the fingers! lol... But she still insisted... Weird... I guess it's like any other new technology when it comes out.. i'm sure the brush painters thought pencils and crayons were 'cheating' artworks... as did the MSPaint program, etc. when they came out. We are a species that is very opinionated! LOL.

DustRider · June 25

First I just have to say just how totally amazed I am by Richard's work. Wow .... just WOW!

I've had one of my images confused with AI, but not at he same level as you experienced Llola. I don't know much about SL art, but I must say I find it totally ludicrous that SL art is allowed, and 3d art is not. Obviously this person is totally ignorant that her SL art (which she needed training to learn??) is actually a very rudimentary form of 3D art (I may be wrong here, but tools and options no doubt pale in comparison to DS, Blender, Maya, etc.). Obviously her ignorance of computer based 3D software knows no bounds. It's also quite obvious that she has no real desire to learn more about it to make an informed decision.

Unfortunately I've learned form my 60+ years of existence that there are a great number of very closed minded people with very strong opinions about things they have very little knowledge of. I've also learned that it is typically not worth my time to even attempt to point out where they might be wrong. They counter any attempt to do so by bringing you down to their level of understanding and beat you with experience

Seriously though, I know it's very hard to experience something like this, and I'm sorry you had to go through this. But just try to keep in mind it's not your loss, and you didn't do anything wrong. You've just been denied participation as a result of personal biases and ignorance on the part of the organizer, not that you did anything wrong. Yes, you did put your heart and soul into creating your image to give to charity. Now you can't, and I'm sure that doesn't feel very good. But, in this case, it is the thought that counts. Your heart was in the right place, you followed the rules, but someone decided they didn't like the rules and changed them. Unfortunately, there are many people that don't understand the work involved with 3D art (in this case by someone who does a form of 3D art, which makes it even more absurd). I would argue there are even more people that don't understand AI art, and the work typically involved to get what you really want from it.

I don't use AI as much a Wendy, but have used it more due to eye issues and the tiny fonts in the DS interface. I also clearly state if something I post is AI generated/assisted. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised to see more people think 3D images are somehow AI generated in the future.

richardandtracy · June 26

David R said:

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Wow! My mother did cross stitching years ago and would have loved an app like this. I remember thinking back then that there *should* be a program for creating cross stitch patterns from existing images, but I couldn't find one. (That was 20 years ago!) Alas, she's 95 now and no longer has the dexterity to work on these.

(My highlight)

I thought that there should be a program too - this was 2012 or so when I got that far. And then I looked about and found commercial programs cost hundreds of dollars that I didn't have. I found a freebie (Ryijy Stitch Designer) but the printing at the time was limited to one sheet regardless of the image size, so I wrote a program to make a better printout from a converted image, and that evolved into a full blown conversion when I had a horrible experience with a difficult colour conversion from Ryjiy that went really badly and I ended up hating the cross stitch. Initially I wondered if I could programme it at all, then I kept adding features until commercial programs couldn't hold a candle to my program's conversion. The downside is that to keep its precision I couldn't program in any programming tricks to speed it up, particularly the dithering methods. I accidentally came across a really good dither that isn't used in commercial programs while teaching myself how to program a dither using Wikipedia as a reference work. The reason the dither is not used commercially is because it uses dither values not easily divisible by 2. So, these dithers are avoided in most commercial applications because they take a noticeable time to implement and take much longer than a left or right bit shift. If you don't care (or don't have the programming ability to save that time) you can use these dither values and get much smoother dithers than normally appear. Net result is that a large conversion (1000x1000 stitches) and take up to 3 or 4 minutes to select the threads and 10 minutes or so to generate the PDF chart with a moderately capable PC.

And the chart is big - I confess I don't understand how to implement compression inside a Zip file the talk in the standards of variable bit length bytes (8-12 bits) lost me entirely. Compressed PDF files use zip compression inside the file in specific areas. Parts are compressed, parts are not. However, early PDF formats don't have to be compressed (1.4 is one), so I wrote a unit to export uncompressed PDF files and interfaced it with the chart writing method, and the program now creates PDF's. OK, the PDF files are huge (being composed entirely of ASCII text), but seem to compress smaller than a normal compressed PDF file. 50+Mb is not unusual for a pdf created by the program, though a zip utility can make that shrink to 2Mb.

Regards,

Richard

Llola Lane · June 26

DustRider said:

First I just have to say just how totally amazed I am by Richard's work. Wow .... just WOW!

I've had one of my images confused with AI, but not at he same level as you experienced Llola. I don't know much about SL art, but I must say I find it totally ludicrous that SL art is allowed, and 3d art is not. Obviously this person is totally ignorant that her SL art (which she needed training to learn??) is actually a very rudimentary form of 3D art (I may be wrong here, but tools and options no doubt pale in comparison to DS, Blender, Maya, etc.). Obviously her ignorance of computer based 3D software knows no bounds. It's also quite obvious that she has no real desire to learn more about it to make an informed decision.

Unfortunately I've learned form my 60+ years of existence that there are a great number of very closed minded people with very strong opinions about things they have very little knowledge of. I've also learned that it is typically not worth my time to even attempt to point out where they might be wrong. They counter any attempt to do so by bringing you down to their level of understanding and beat you with experience

Seriously though, I know it's very hard to experience something like this, and I'm sorry you had to go through this. But just try to keep in mind it's not your loss, and you didn't do anything wrong. You've just been denied participation as a result of personal biases and ignorance on the part of the organizer, not that you did anything wrong. Yes, you did put your heart and soul into creating your image to give to charity. Now you can't, and I'm sure that doesn't feel very good. But, in this case, it is the thought that counts. Your heart was in the right place, you followed the rules, but someone decided they didn't like the rules and changed them. Unfortunately, there are many people that don't understand the work involved with 3D art (in this case by someone who does a form of 3D art, which makes it even more absurd). I would argue there are even more people that don't understand AI art, and the work typically involved to get what you really want from it.

I don't use AI as much a Wendy, but have used it more due to eye issues and the tiny fonts in the DS interface. I also clearly state if something I post is AI generated/assisted. Unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised to see more people think 3D images are somehow AI generated in the future.

Thank you DustRider... I am the kind of person that likes to THINK I can change peoples minds or persuade them to see MY POINT OF VIEW.. I very rarely succeed when peeps are stubborn and don't even want to give me a chance. I am TRYING to work pass this setback. I can't let 1 ignorant person stop me from doing my Daz!

There IS a Daz users group in SecondLife that I joined a year ago... It has not been active since the owner left in 2022. There were a few people online a few nights ago and I decided to ask them if they use Daz... I messaged 4-5 people and they all were like... WHAT's DAZ??? lol. They belong to a group they have no idea what it is. I have not seen anyone else using Daz in SecondLife so I am thinking I am the only one that has a Daz Gallery. It is surprising because there are peeps from all over the world in SL ... you would THINK some of them use Daz. I guess not.. so yes.. maybe my artwork is foreign to them. I have sold hundereds of my pieces but it is a small market in comparison to the number of peeps in SL. Lots of diversity in SL which is why I like it. I meet peeps from all over the world... but yes.. there are some that are set in their ways. I will find a new charity... I won't let one person get to me. promise!

Fragg1960 · June 30

In general, traditional artists don't consider 3D be legitimate art. It's kind of the way it has always been. Traditional artists also hate AI due to the way the AI models were unethically trained (on art without the artist's consent). So unfortunately I don't think distancing 3D art from AI art is going to make any difference when talking to traditional artists. They think both AI and 3D are trash.

You should just create in whatever medium makes you happy.

richardandtracy · July 1

There does seem to be an amazing number of cliques in the art world. Those who call themselves 'Fine Artists' often look down on others. Modernists dislike traditionalists and so on. My personal admiration goes for a number of people lumped in the heading 'Illustrators'. People like Micheal Whelan, Luis Royo and Rodney Matthews. All amazingly competent technicians with an inspiring sense of what they want to create.

I do think art that 'Has something to say' (eg an unmade bed, a sliced up shark or cow in formaldehyde, that sort of thing) probably has nothing I want to hear. However it's good that it can be created & displayed. I just wish the factionalism could be eliminated and everyone get on without the unedifying sniping of people at each other.

3D art is sometimes created by those who can't draw - I know, I'm one of them. I'd love to do figure drawing but I also want the result to look at least vaguely human. Did Picasso paint what he did because he could only draw figures as badly as me? And then did he spout all sorts of stuff to distract from it? I like to think so, but I'm probably wrong based on his pre-cubist art. It's fun to imagine, though. Anyway, back to 3D art - it's a tool that requires skills to apply. Just like a paintbrush or airbrush require skills to master. The skills for each are different, but still there. Same with producing 2D digital art. It requires skills. Just different skills again.

AI is the big issue. It is skill free. Well, the actual image creation is, the prompt seems to require more skills than I was expecting if the DAZ AI Studio was representative when I tried to get an image of a Medieaval castle floating in the sky. That leaves me in a quandry. Is there any room for creativity in AI art? I have to say 'Probably, but it's an unfinished tool we've not yet learnt to use to its fullest extent'. I think even fine artists are going to have to live with/despite it in the end. The transition is going to be uncomfortable & many will be left using old tools and newcomers will end up using the new tools as well as the old, possibly using new tools instead of the old.

Sorry. I managed to divert myself rather.

Regards,

Richard

WendyLuvsCatz · July 1

I treat Ai art like stock art but free

I produce and edit movies and incorporate it, the production is the "skill"

just like my DAZ people are my actors and props my sets

COMIXIANT · July 2

@LlolaLane
Makes my blood boil that we're now at a time where human beings are having to explain themselves due to the existence of AI.

@richardandtracy
Your wife has a very pretty profile!

Llola Lane · July 3

Fragg1960 said:

In general, traditional artists don't consider 3D be legitimate art. It's kind of the way it has always been. Traditional artists also hate AI due to the way the AI models were unethically trained (on art without the artist's consent). So unfortunately I don't think distancing 3D art from AI art is going to make any difference when talking to traditional artists. They think both AI and 3D are trash.

You should just create in whatever medium makes you happy.

Sound advice Fragg... it is what I'm doing.. I loooooooooove Daz... I'm a Dazaholic for sure ;) Thanks for responding.

Llola Lane · July 3

richardandtracy said:

There does seem to be an amazing number of cliques in the art world. Those who call themselves 'Fine Artists' often look down on others. Modernists dislike traditionalists and so on. My personal admiration goes for a number of people lumped in the heading 'Illustrators'. People like Micheal Whelan, Luis Royo and Rodney Matthews. All amazingly competent technicians with an inspiring sense of what they want to create.

I do think art that 'Has something to say' (eg an unmade bed, a sliced up shark or cow in formaldehyde, that sort of thing) probably has nothing I want to hear. However it's good that it can be created & displayed. I just wish the factionalism could be eliminated and everyone get on without the unedifying sniping of people at each other.

3D art is sometimes created by those who can't draw - I know, I'm one of them. I'd love to do figure drawing but I also want the result to look at least vaguely human. Did Picasso paint what he did because he could only draw figures as badly as me? And then did he spout all sorts of stuff to distract from it? I like to think so, but I'm probably wrong based on his pre-cubist art. It's fun to imagine, though. Anyway, back to 3D art - it's a tool that requires skills to apply. Just like a paintbrush or airbrush require skills to master. The skills for each are different, but still there. Same with producing 2D digital art. It requires skills. Just different skills again.

AI is the big issue. It is skill free. Well, the actual image creation is, the prompt seems to require more skills than I was expecting if the DAZ AI Studio was representative when I tried to get an image of a Medieaval castle floating in the sky. That leaves me in a quandry. Is there any room for creativity in AI art? I have to say 'Probably, but it's an unfinished tool we've not yet learnt to use to its fullest extent'. I think even fine artists are going to have to live with/despite it in the end. The transition is going to be uncomfortable & many will be left using old tools and newcomers will end up using the new tools as well as the old, possibly using new tools instead of the old.

Sorry. I managed to divert myself rather.

Regards,

Richard

Totally agree with you Richard. I don't judge 'art' any more... Just because I don't like something doesn't mean it's not art. I would NEVER dissuade someone from art. Everyone needs a creative outlet and even AI gives people who can't draw a creativity outlet. I'm chillin' about the whole AI thing.... but... Ask me my opionion when AI takes over the world!!!!!!! lol

Llola Lane · July 3

WendyLuvsCatz said:

I treat Ai art like stock art but free

I produce and edit movies and incorporate it, the production is the "skill"

just like my DAZ people are my actors and props my sets

Totally agree... but I call my DAZ peeps.. mannequins... lol

Llola Lane · July 3

COMIXIANT said:

@LlolaLane
Makes my blood boil that we're now at a time where human beings are having to explain themselves due to the existence of AI.

Yeah.. you'd think by now we would have learned from history and just ACCEPT peeps for how they are. :) What hurt me most is that this lady didn't believe me. Pretty much called me a liar. :(

Griffin Avid · July 5

Traditional Arts want to be separated because their discipline(s) require physical skill + creative decisions.

And for most artists, HOW you make your art is as important as the art itself.

Not so much to the consumer.

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If you want to gauge a bit better how much "respect" you deserve for your Daz work, you should seek approval (reviews) from the skillful/accomplished/Daz Studio power users.

Those are actually your true peers. They KNOW what it takes to make something nice with Daz. People who do not use Daz do not.

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That's why people who use AI seek validation from groups that do-not-use-AI because getting praise from other AI users is very hard.

Llola Lane · July 5

Griffin Avid said:

Traditional Arts want to be separated because their discipline(s) require physical skill + creative decisions.

And for most artists, HOW you make your art is as important as the art itself.

Not so much to the consumer.

--------

If you want to gauge a bit better how much "respect" you deserve for your Daz work, you should seek approval (reviews) from the skillful/accomplished/Daz Studio power users.

Those are actually your true peers. They KNOW what it takes to make something nice with Daz. People who do not use Daz do not.

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That's why people who use AI seek validation from groups that do-not-use-AI because getting praise from other AI users is very hard.

So true Griffin... I am finding other charities in SL to raise money for. Not gonna let one person keep me from my Daz ;) Thanks for your words of wisdom!

KrevivalProduccions · July 7

Hi, I think the best way to prevent your art from being confused with AI is to upload, as WendyLuvsCatz says, an image that also shows the mesh. I've done this with my short film, which some people have asked me if it had AI, and I responded by saying no, I didn't use AI. It's very annoying! You could look at the character's consistency, or the hands, but many people these days have this doubt, and the image with mesh is proof. I uploaded this one; I'm posting it as an example in case it's useful to someone on the forum :D

Lola, I checked out your gallery and it's fantastic, it's obvious a lot of work goes into it.
Greetings to everyone.

Llola Lane · July 7

KrevivalProduccions said:

Hi, I think the best way to prevent your art from being confused with AI is to upload, as WendyLuvsCatz says, an image that also shows the mesh. I've done this with my short film, which some people have asked me if it had AI, and I responded by saying no, I didn't use AI. It's very annoying! You could look at the character's consistency, or the hands, but many people these days have this doubt, and the image with mesh is proof. I uploaded this one; I'm posting it as an example in case it's useful to someone on the forum :D

Lola, I checked out your gallery and it's fantastic, it's obvious a lot of work goes into it.
Greetings to everyone.

Thank you KrevivalProduccions .... Unfortunately the lady in question has decided 3D is not allowed in her little charity event so I am moving on. Such a shame that the breast cancer foundation will loose money from MY art because of her... but I guess she has her own reasons.

I love yours and Wendy's idea... I will remember it for future events.

Being called a liar is what hurts the most... I am a VERY honest person. She is missing out on my friendship too... (winks)

I am glad you like my artworks... I really need to add more to my gallery... lol.

Be well and have a wonderful day!

memcneil70 · July 14

@Llola_Lane last week I watch an interview of Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia by Morning Joe and it was interesting to find that while he uses AI to start his investigation into new areas he has no background in, he then pursues the knowledge on his own. He also says AI should encourage mankind to appreciate those who have developed skills and knowledge to 'do/make' things. He pointed to carpenters and plumbers, but I was thinking of artists, of all forms: 2D, 3D, fabric, wood, or metal... Your work will stand, regardless of a narrow-minded person's opinion. Consider how much the Impressionists or photographers were disparged when they first started to show their works. Thank God they persisted. I love so many forms of art that I will never be able to do myself but that does not mean they have no value.

ArtAngel · July 14

In 2024, when I uplaoded a picture book, I was asked if any content was AI generated. I could honestly say no and able to retain the copywrite. I actually trademarked the main character 2D art back in 2015 or earlier and had 3D Universe recreate it in 3D a few years later. The trouble is Ai is often in tools we could choose to use. Adobe 2022+ has AI helpers which is why I only use ADOBE 2020 sans AI and DAZ 2015 despite newer copies saved.. So AI is smart enough to detect AI art if we use AI enhanced software. For anyone engaging in this, the trick is to expect some roadblocks and just carry on elsewhere. For those of us who truly are 100% non AI just take screenshots and support your truth.

I also have songs (lyrics and melodies) recorded with intruments in a recording studio on a Boss recorder from the early 2000's and videos of recording such. I won't release 'til later this year, but I will be able to prove they were authentic originals some dating back to 2008-2004 and earlier.

csaa · July 15

Griffin Avid: Your words couldn't be more true!

Llola Lane: Just give it time. As GenAI becomes more common place, people's sense of taste will change. Consumers, fans and critics have a surprising ability to adapt in spite of the initial resistance. In the meantime, it helps to develop an inner compass. Partly that comes from nurturing our creativity; partly from learning from the masters and adapting their ways; partly from seeking feedback and validation from our peers. That's where Griffin Avid hit nail on the head.

Cheers!

Llola Lane said:

Griffin Avid said:

Traditional Arts want to be separated because their discipline(s) require physical skill + creative decisions.

And for most artists, HOW you make your art is as important as the art itself.

Not so much to the consumer.

--------

If you want to gauge a bit better how much "respect" you deserve for your Daz work, you should seek approval (reviews) from the skillful/accomplished/Daz Studio power users.

Those are actually your true peers. They KNOW what it takes to make something nice with Daz. People who do not use Daz do not.

-------------

That's why people who use AI seek validation from groups that do-not-use-AI because getting praise from other AI users is very hard.

So true Griffin... I am finding other charities in SL to raise money for. Not gonna let one person keep me from my Daz ;) Thanks for your words of wisdom!

ArtAngel · July 16

csaa said:

Griffin Avid: Your words couldn't be more true!

Llola Lane: Just give it time. As GenAI becomes more common place, people's sense of taste will change. Consumers, fans and critics have a surprising ability to adapt in spite of the initial resistance. In the meantime, it helps to develop an inner compass. Partly that comes from nurturing our creativity; partly from learning from the masters and adapting their ways; partly from seeking feedback and validation from our peers. That's where Griffin Avid hit nail on the head.

Cheers!

Llola Lane said:

Griffin Avid said:

Traditional Arts want to be separated because their discipline(s) require physical skill + creative decisions.

And for most artists, HOW you make your art is as important as the art itself.

Not so much to the consumer.

--------

If you want to gauge a bit better how much "respect" you deserve for your Daz work, you should seek approval (reviews) from the skillful/accomplished/Daz Studio power users.

Those are actually your true peers. They KNOW what it takes to make something nice with Daz. People who do not use Daz do not.

-------------

That's why people who use AI seek validation from groups that do-not-use-AI because getting praise from other AI users is very hard.

So true Griffin... I am finding other charities in SL to raise money for. Not gonna let one person keep me from my Daz ;) Thanks for your words of wisdom!

People hunger for unique one off art. That is why the first of anything sells well. People want to own something nobody else has. They want the one and only whatever and will pay well to attain it. You will never gain that kind of income or sales with AI art.

Llola Lane · July 18

memcneil70 said:

@Llola_Lane last week I watch an interview of Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia by Morning Joe and it was interesting to find that while he uses AI to start his investigation into new areas he has no background in, he then pursues the knowledge on his own. He also says AI should encourage mankind to appreciate those who have developed skills and knowledge to 'do/make' things. He pointed to carpenters and plumbers, but I was thinking of artists, of all forms: 2D, 3D, fabric, wood, or metal... Your work will stand, regardless of a narrow-minded person's opinion. Consider how much the Impressionists or photographers were disparged when they first started to show their works. Thank God they persisted. I love so many forms of art that I will never be able to do myself but that does not mean they have no value.

I too love all forms of art... I am finding that even AI is not perfect. It takes the right words to get the results wanted and sometimes I am surprised with that AI comes up with. Something... I... could not even fathom to come up with of putting together. I often use AI to help me THINK of what to render. Then... I have to go searching through my runtime... lol. Thank you for your insight.

Llola Lane · July 18

ArtAngel said:

In 2024, when I uplaoded a picture book, I was asked if any content was AI generated. I could honestly say no and able to retain the copywrite. I actually trademarked the main character 2D art back in 2015 or earlier and had 3D Universe recreate it in 3D a few years later. The trouble is Ai is often in tools we could choose to use. Adobe 2022+ has AI helpers which is why I only use ADOBE 2020 sans AI and DAZ 2015 despite newer copies saved.. So AI is smart enough to detect AI art if we use AI enhanced software. For anyone engaging in this, the trick is to expect some roadblocks and just carry on elsewhere. For those of us who truly are 100% non AI just take screenshots and support your truth.

I also have songs (lyrics and melodies) recorded with intruments in a recording studio on a Boss recorder from the early 2000's and videos of recording such. I won't release 'til later this year, but I will be able to prove they were authentic originals some dating back to 2008-2004 and earlier.

I don't think most people even realize AI was not around when I was making my Daz artwork in 2008... I sign all my artwork with the date... But this lady still insisted they were AI... At least your publisher believed you. It's being called a liar that hurt the most.

I can't wait to hear your songs and see your artwork. Keep creating.. raah rahhh raaaaaaah... lol

Thank you for responding ArtAngel. :)

Llola Lane · July 18

csaa said:

Griffin Avid: Your words couldn't be more true!

Llola Lane: Just give it time. As GenAI becomes more common place, people's sense of taste will change. Consumers, fans and critics have a surprising ability to adapt in spite of the initial resistance. In the meantime, it helps to develop an inner compass. Partly that comes from nurturing our creativity; partly from learning from the masters and adapting their ways; partly from seeking feedback and validation from our peers. That's where Griffin Avid hit nail on the head.

Cheers!

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I sure hope so csaa ... I don't have much knowledge of the 'early masters' but AI helps me learn new ways to look at my art and Daz. It really is a great 'tool'... Thank you.

WendyLuvsCatz · July 18

a lot of people think anything done on a computer is Ai

I see comments on simple photo manipulation in Photoshop and if you point that out they just say it's done on a computer so Ai

nonesuch00 · July 18

LOL, no.

Llola Lane · July 26

WendyLuvsCatz said:

a lot of people think anything done on a computer is Ai

I see comments on simple photo manipulation in Photoshop and if you point that out they just say it's done on a computer so Ai

Unfortunately I think that's true these days. Everyone has an opinion.... so funny how I was taught... 'if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all'... Peeps are sooo rude... even when you DON"T ask for it .. you get an opinion... lol.

Llola Lane · July 26

nonesuch00 said:

LOL, no.

I am jealous nonesuch00... but i guess the more i put my artwork out there.. the more people will react. Not always positively. :(

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