Does the art community think your DAZ renders are AI????
Llola Lane
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Hi Gang... I have just had to defend my Daz artwork to a virtual Gallery Event cooridnator... She is saying her customers will think my artwork is AI? I am mortifided! WHY am I buying Daz mesh and spending HOURs shopping and rendering... if peeps are gonna start saying my artwork is AI??? I have never had to defend my artwork before. I am ready to give up Daz completely :(....
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upload a wireframe render with it
this is a problem for all artists sadly, 3D is posibly easier to prove than digital painters
That is a good idea Wendy... I'm just mortified I have to explain my artwork.
I guess I'm the only one with this problem since no other responses... (sighs)... Oh well.. Never mind
mine are bad enough nobody mistakes them for Ai
I rarely post my "Daz Studio art" anywhere other than here in the forum (or occasionally in the gallery) where it's clear they are not AI.
But I do create and post a lot of AI "art" at AI sites.
Aweeeeeeeeeeeee... NO THEY ARE NOT Wendy... you make beautiful art! :) Hugzzzzzzzzzz
Thanks Melanie... I appreciate the response... This threw me for a loop... I strive for photorealistic artwork... but it's never been called AI before. :(
I expect this is going to become more and more common, as more and more people are doing AI. How about a link the the work in question?
I too upload a lot of Ai generated imagery and video, but I always label it as such
Hi Melanie... I gave her my Deviant Art linky.... https://www.deviantart.com/llolalane .. gave her the Daz webpage linky... AND Poser webpage linky.... and the lady still came back with the conclusion that my artwork is AI! I doubt she even came to the Daz website... cause if she did she would be giving me a huuuuuuuuuuuge apology. :(
I finally told her to never mind.. I didn't want to participated in her Rock Your Rack (for breast cancer research) Event and this is what she wrote me back...
[12:14] Jamee Sandalwood: I'm sorry you feel I am unprofessional. I have been a very successful SL artist and photographer and gallery curator for over 10 years now. Trained by Visionaire in SL. I did my inquiry as I promised you I would, and spoke with two artists in our galleries and events, two general public and waiting to speak to the sponsor of the art show to get their take on things before getting back to you. Immediate impressions were similar to mine with all of them. But since you feel I'm unprofessional, then I agree that we are done. It's make me work to create a policy for Rock your Rack that we will not accept any AI, or program created art that is created outside of SL into the event. Best of luck to you.
OMG.. she just posted a NEW reply on the RYR form....
I'm sorry we have to do this - but an issue in the last couple of days has brought this to the forefront and therefore I'm having to make a policy for Rock Your Rack - "Rock Your Rack will not accept any AI created, or 3D rendering program art created outside of SL. Rock Your Rack will only accept RL traditional, or photographic art, or SL created photography artwork" If you have any questions about this policy please contact me for clarification. The new policy is only for 2D artwork - 3D is not affected by the new policy. "Rock Your Rack will not accept any 2D artwork that is AI created, or 3D rendering program art created outside of SL. Rock Your Rack will only accept RL traditional, or photographic art, or SL created photography artwork"
Can you believe this????
only SecondLife?
yeah big FU to Blender Artists and MAX, Maya users too
cannot take them seriously
I Googled, apparently it is a SecondLife based event, so yeah, guess that's that, find a different Art Charity
Yes.. I'm sorry.. this is an SL event..... I have done dozens of charities in SL and make hundreds of dollars with my Daz Artworks. I should have mentioned that... I'm sorry I'm frazzled..
Money is made as Lindens (SL currency).. the lindens are then cashed in to RL money for the different charities... It is quite nice to be able to give to a chairty with my art. Very rewarding too.
I only post my art on Deviant art, and I make sure to note in the description that NO AI was used. Which is the truth, but I doubt any of my renders are good enough to ever be mistaken for AI generated. And I tend to render the same characters over and over, and since it's hard to get any kind of character consistencey using AI, that might make it clear to others that I am not using any kind of AI anything.
Thanks for the more detailed explanation. I had no idea what SL art was, and even a google search on SL art did not produce any useful results (at least with my search history). My guess is that they don't know what 3D art is (vs AI), and assume it is all the same. It's also interesting that they accept SL art (is that just screenshots of an online game?), photography, or traditional media (paintings, drawings, etc), but not 3D art.
Just chalk it up to people resistant to change, kind of like how photography wasn't accepted as an art in the early days. Since 3D art has been around for 20+ years, maybe they just don't like this form of art? At least they awknowleged that it wasn't just AI they wouldn't accept, but anything using a 3D program to render an image.
Maybe the only reason they accept SL art (game screenshots?) is because it's a SL charity, and if it wasn't, they wouldn't even accept those? .
i suppose it's their perogative to set the requirements for submission. All the same, does seem a bit random to accept a game screenshot as art and not a 3d render.
If it was only physicals, like physical paintings, then exclusion of renders makes sense, but if they are already accepting digitals, then exclusion does seem slighlty absurd, especially since most renders are very obviously renders while AI still quite obviously AI. Perhaps some people who spend too long staring at SL screenshots cannot resolve the differences between such things.
That is a good point Zom.... I try to use as many characters as I can and I very rarely do a series with the same character. Thank you for your response :)
I have no idea behind the reasoning Shimrian... It is just a few people with power... The organization is run by a MODELing Group in SL. They are very stuck up and hoity toity... (my opinion)... It is amazing to me how she calls SL PHOTOGRAPHY when it is just screen shots of the game. She has obviously never looked up the word photography..."photograph or “photo” means a printed image created by use of a photographic or digital camera process".. there is no camera in SL.. it is all screen capture on a computer.... and we are very cartoony in SL... (see below... first is human Llola and second is Dinkie Llola... I am Dinkie 24-7 these days... SL literally .. IS.. my second life... lol)... I try to achieve photo realisic with my Daz and you can see that is not possible in SL. If you look at Flickr you will find lots of SL 'artwork'
I sent the lady the link to Daz AND Poser and my DeviantArt page and she came back and said they are only accepting those other kinds of art. Thing is... that was never mentioned on the application. Seems to me if she REALLY cared about Breast Cancer Research she would grab anyone and everyone who is willing to contribute art. The more money they make the more that can be raised for research!
Ha... yeah.. good point... lol
There are a lot of sick people (mental and physical... literally) SL is their only way to meet people and create. I have several friends in wheel chairs that dont get out of the house. It is nice they have somewhere to make friends... even if it's via SL. Friends become family to most of them that don't have any RL family. I am grateful SL is available for them. But some people take their new found power a little overboard too.
In case anyone is interested... I have lots of SL artwork on my Flickr page... https://www.flickr.com/photos/25373291@N06/
I do think that your using your Artistic Imagination to do your renders
Just seen this.
I had trouble once with a gentleman at a craft fair believing something I showed was something other than what I said.
I was offering to use a program I've written to make accurate cross stitch charts of photos. To show the level of accuracy, I had a 'here's one I did earlier' cross stitch to show how good the conversion was. It was an image of my wife from a photo I took on honeymoon. The one below.
It's 44,060 stitches on black (aka 'difficult') fabric and has 117 thread colours, but none are blended - that was before I modified the program to allow a further 50,000 colour variations on top of the 447 floss colours from DMC. The stitch size was 28 to the inch, or 0.9mm long, and had taken me 8 months to stitch.
Well, my problem was the gentleman was absolutely adament it was impossible to stitch that small, and I was a full blown liar and the picture was a printed fake. Nothing, not even touching the embroidery or seeing the 2mm thick mat of mixed threads on the back, would change his mind. I was lying and all evidence to the contrary was a fabrication. Infuriating.
It's both difficult and frustrating to be questioned like that, whether it's about AI or anything else.
Regards,
Richard
Ha... great one Elor ;) Thanks. I keep trying.
Oh my... I KNOW how much patience it took to make that Richard... When I was teaching sewing the Husqvarna/Viking shop I was working at sold a cross stitch program to convert photos.. I think I still have the program on an old computer... I never did end up using it. You are right.. It's a LOT of work and takes patience.
Who knows why peeps are so rude? If he can't even believe his own eyes and fingers? That is in sane!
That is also one reason I don't do craft shows any more... I got tired of peeps saying "I can make that cheaper!" .. right to my face.. pft. And that was for like a $2.00 craft item I made... LOL I can't even say they were crochety old folks (which I am now.. lol) These were people with children! It's not surprising to me how children have grown to have such disrespect... if they learn it from their parents.
Thanks for sharing your experience Richard... She is AWESOME!!! She looks like a famous singer in that pose!
I give you BOTH an A+... just wonderful :)
If you ever want a very capable freebie program to create cross stitch charts, I don't think you'll get a better conversion than my one here - ChestnutPens 'Blend Threads' Program - It's a harder to use to generate new charts from scratch than the commercial programs using the built in vector based image editor, but the quality of the conversion & ease of using blended threads is considerably better than any commercial program. The produced chart is a pdf, which is big and slow to generate, but it gets there.
I have evidence that the Heaven And Earth Designs charts (frequently considered the epitome of precision and complexity) are less accurate generally and in the dark areas are much worse than mine. I even created a thread colour chart for DMC colours because the widely available thread colour values used by three of the commercial programs are quite inaccurate for the brightest and darkest colours.
Regards,
Richard
Wow! My mother did cross stitching years ago and would have loved an app like this. I remember thinking back then that there *should* be a program for creating cross stitch patterns from existing images, but I couldn't find one. (That was 20 years ago!) Alas, she's 95 now and no longer has the dexterity to work on these.
Thanks for the link!
My friend did, but it wasn't about my art. She shared a book cover on our private Discord that featured a heavily filtered/edited DAZ character. She was curious about how the character was made since "the author's books with these covers are from before AI became mainestream." While I could pull up the pic in question, I don't want to single out the author. In my friend's case, the problem with the DAZ render was that it used a transparency of the character with clothes and hair, and the background and lighting didn't match. Then, there was a filter applied to it, giving it an "uncanny" look. She did not mean to insult the work, it just looked odd to her, and she was curious about how it was made. Anyway, I nearly succeeded in trying to get her into DAZ, after trying to de-mystify everything. I was so close. At least I got her to consider commissioning a proper DAZ artist, if she'd like her own custom book cover created, someday.
The other problem that I see a lot is that some people like to throw accusations around that pics are AI art, but it's to cause trouble. They have learned that calling something "AI" is a grave insult to artists. Then, there's other people who think bad edits or crooked illustrations are AI, as if they can't comprehend human error. Either way, they will either get uncomfortable in being told to prove its AI (after being shown the 3D wireframe or the WIP of the illustration) or they will double-down in being absolutely wrong. The latter seems to have happened with that gallery coordinator, which is why they altered the rules to ban similar 3D renders.