Windows Update - I hate you
isidorn
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I had been setting up a scene in DAZ for a couple of hours, starting to reach the final touches. I leave the computer for a moment and when I return there is no DAZ running. No other programs either. I check the windows 10 messages and find out it has done an update and rebooted the computer. Apparently the 15 mins I was away was enough for windows to think I wasn't using the computer...
Now, had I saved the scene? Of course not. 
I have now changed the windows update settings to not update without asking first.
Moral of the story. Never leave your computer! Or at least save before you do...
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I learned that lesson a long time ago. However, it took me awhile to change my settings. Very frustrating especially when you are in the middle of a long render that has already consumed many hours.
I just turn that stuff off. I am not beholden to Microsoft just because i use their products. Every once in a while i check to see if there is a patch that effects anything i have or need fixing other than that i paid for Windows but i tell Microsoft what i want and how i want it..not the other way around.
Daniel
Same here. Like MS products, but update on my own terms.
You don't have that option with Windows 10. The only difference is in the Enterprise Edition and that too has a limit of several months, if I remember correctly. In the end you are forced to update.
I just wish there was a way to change all that. Hackers have not provided any tools to help change it. Maybe some day.
I did find a way to totally rid my system of Cortana. After turning off all of Cortanas options you then just rename the Cortana folder and it will not run again. Sweet. No more Cortana service showing in the Task Manager.
Unfortunate that Microsoft has become like the government. Bloated...dysfunctional and unyielding. Honestly windows hasnt really been good since Win 95. I wish i could have used that forever. Ahh the Win 95 days where when i opened the task manager and there was only 12 processes running.....now just idle at least 60.
Daniel
Actually there is a way
http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/?PageSpeed=noscript
I refuse to use "wireless" and "pull the plug" when doing anything involving the use of intensive computer resources such as rendering, making movies, etc. I do not like surprizes and read once somewhere that even if/with auto-updates turned "off", still some would/could come through via some backdoor they have to the OS. cute.
Actually, Win10 comes in three flavors: Home, Pro, and Enterprise.
Enterprise users can blow off updates indefinitely, Pro users can put them off for a few months, and Home users are assumed to want to wait a few days to a week before WinBlows goes and does it anyway.
However, if you tell it you're on a metered connection, that behavior gets restricted to critical security updates. There is also a setting you can use to tell it to ask you before it reboots. That lets you do what you're going to before you restart. It will keep bugging you, though.
How to get Pro? Either have Win10 Home installed and cough up $100 for an upgrade, or have Win7Pro or Ultimate OR Win8/8.1Pro installed. Enterprise is reserved for people that have fair-sized corporations that can afford to cough up.
EDIT: Cortana is also absent from Enterprise in her entirety.
I'm Windows 7 and have no need for 10. What I have does what I need it to do, and if it ain't broke, I don't mess with it. Wasn't there problems with 8?
Only for the first four or five months. Once they released 8.1, things got stable and mostly stayed that way. Win10 is actually doing pretty well now, and I expecft they'll have the really huge bugs flattened properly by Christmas.
I feel the same way
I had my system build with wndows7 pro in mind .not win10 . I have a smart phone and tablet so I don't need a over grow smart phone sitting on my desk.
I could have got a free win8.1 upgrade when i bought my system. and blew that off as well I really like what I can do with win7 & besides I don;t really want a nanny computer operating system telling me they know better than I do what I need for my computer needs. maybe when i have a new system built i'll think about win10 or win365 or what ever the flavor is of the day is then.
I tried to respond to this thread a little while ago and some window kept opening saying ...I can't even remember what it said. But it had something to do with Daz and it said the cloud something or other and that some things might not work correctly. I had to move my browser back and then return. After the second timethat window appeared on the left lower side of my monitor, I just left. I came back hoping someone else would say it happened to them too. But so far I don't see posts about it.
Anyway, I have Windows 10 and here's how the updates work for me. Microsoft never tells me that there are updates and they never tell me that the updates were installed and they never tell me that the pc needs to be rebooted. And they never have rebooted the pc automatically. I always find out when things start working strangely. The other day I was using Shade 3D and all of the sudden I couldn't zoom in. I shut down Shade three times and restarted and I couldn't zoom in. Then I noticed I couldn't even create a new model. I was about to demand a refund and then I thought I should probably reboot and see if that fixes the issue. I should have known. When I said to restart, Windows told me to "Please wait while updates were being configured". This sort of thing has happened many times. Another time I was using Firefox and all the sudden I would click on things and nothing would happen. And then I shut down firefox and then it wouldn't restart. And when I restarted, updates were being configured. If Microsoft is going to install updates automatically then they should do so responsibly...like when you go to shut down. And if the pc needs to be rebooted, they should have the decency to tell you. Apart from that, I actually like Windows 10.
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Good tip.
I have Pro. I want it like it was before. Alert me when updates were available. I would download what I wanted and when. Not long after I switched to Windows 10, there was an update that bypassed all my settings. Microsoft was just addamant about it. Anyone who switched over during the days after Windows 10 was made available will probabaly remember that one. So you see, if Microsoft wants to cram an update down our throats no amount of settings are going to help us now. Microsoft decided that settings don't always need to be respected.
I didn't know about this.
BTW, a question for those still on Windows 7? I read a few months ago that Microsoft had also decided to port some privacy unfriendly features of Windows 10 to Windows 7. Was that mandatory? Or were you able to not download and install that update? I am curious.
Nevermind, I found an article discussing those updates:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/213183-once-more-with-tracking-microsoft-backports-privacy-invading-windows-10-features-to-windows-7-8
Never, never let your machine do updates for windows automatically...
NEVER
It`s all for the NSA
I love that when I have an over night render....taking hours to render so I go to bed and come back and it was stopped just an hour or so after going to bed because of a download update....yeah, but that's part of the territory now...goes hand in hand when the power goes out....Would be nice for Studio have a opt in or out on automatic saving, like when you're in Word or email and every so often it will save the document, or a working copy of it at least....
If you just need your comptuer to stop being on the net while you render this should work in Win 10:
START (menu) > Command Prompt (Admin)
Or CMD (Command Prompt)
To disconnect network
type
press enter
To reconnect network
press enter
type
close window
You can change the settings in windows 10 pro for updates, there is much less (or none) availability for home version.
One thing you can do with the home version, iirc, but you need to be connected by wifi, is to tell the system you are on a metered internet connection.
This new version of Windows leaves a lot to be desired :(
way too much stuff to turn off, disable, and uninstall
it's become more like a thin client that get's monitored by an employer than an OS for a standalone personal computer.
OMG, Win95? Are you serious? Why not extol the virtues of CPM? Now there was an OS you could memorize and patch to your heart's content.
DOS could fit on die with the some of the newer CPU's having 2MB and more L2 cache :)
wouldn't it be interesting to see just how fast it would be?
Donate your PC to someone you don't like, and buy yourself a decent Mac. No joke.
obviously not a joke, as you wouldn't inflict a mac on a friend. Maybe we should not turn this into a PC or Mac and which is better.
I never let windows update without permission, and my work computer isn't connected to the net at all. You can't trust that thing! ;-P
indeed.
Or the software vendors and various agencies. Watched a BBC Panarama program on Edward Snowdon.
Windows has for quite a while had built into it a point where wireless internet would get disconnected if the system got too out of date (especially with security updates.) It was a common service call to come, hook up a system to a wired network and update it so the system would go back online wirelessly. It is very possible that Microsoft could extend this in the future, perhaps even restricting a system at some point from any internet other then to access Microsoft servers to do an update. I'm not saying this will happen, but based on Microsoft's past it's a possibility.
Linux would be a nice option for people who would like more control over their environment if it was possible and easier to keep core components such as graphics drivers on par with Windows. For basic web surfing, email, etc... this isn't an issue, but for content creation (or gaming, vr, etc...) this becomes an issue unfortunately. And, Linux still requires a not insignificant investment in time (learning curve) to build and maintain a system.
So, no easy answers for anyone who isn't comfortable with the current direction of technology.
I have windows 10 and haven't had too many problems with it. It is a bit more system load though, which is annoying. I found the easiest thing to make sure it doesn't try anything while I'm doing a render is just to click the airplane mode button. Even easier than messing with the command prompts. And it was pretty painless to make it ask before restarting.