Because a girl has (not) to look good when...
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I checked out the set. There are a lot like this in the store and I own some already, so not a purchase I'm interested in.
My feeling about the poses is they are too weightless for me. I prefer poses that look like the character is more grounded.
There are more than a few that can be modified easily for more "everyday" uses, and for less than $4, I'm not about to complain.
But then my usual rule for posekits is "more than one useful pose per dollar it costs me to buy the entire set," where "useful" is defined as any pose I don't have to spend more than five minutes adjusting to my purposes. Sweet Caster 17 is good as-is, save any tweaks I need to make to her head/neck for the image. 12, 19, and 22 can be used for different emotional states within a minute or so by changing arm positions. 7 and 24 are good sitting poses, and there are lots of things one can do with 8.
The rest would take a bit more work, and I can use floaty poses in the pool or space if I want. Eight poses I can use with minimal effort or none at all out of a pack of thirty isn't bad. If I add in weightless environments, then that number goes up over twenty. For the money, it was a good deal.
Mind, for those that are doing fantasy renders, the vast majority will work nicely.
How are you guys seeing that pose set for $4? It's $6.28 for me.
As for the rest of this thread...another dead horse beaten far more than necessary. ;) That clip of the armored knight rolling and jumping on a mount was interesting though, thanks for that.
I used to make renders of knights in armor fighting typical monsters. No one looked at them.
I then made renders of women in skimpy armor fighting sexy female monsters. Many people looked at them.
Those who ignore history are...far more likely to have their images looked at.
I had a full set of revs when they locked them. and I'm a PC member, so I got it hilariously cheap.
Well, it isn't a draw for me to see ladies in bikinis but your art is a treat in itself, so I can see why people like to look at it regardless of how the ladies are clothed since it is very well done. =-)
"but your art is a treat in itself, so I can see why people like to look at it"
Thanks, I appreciate it. :) I definitely understand why people get frustrated about their art not being seen though; sex appeal is the most effective attention-getter around, bar none. Hardly anyone looked at a Disney drawing I did (which I'm proud of because I did it freehand), but some dumb bikini fighting pics I uploaded as a lighting test years ago are still getting views and favorites.
People keep saying they want period-accurate 'fantasy' wear, but I know someone who made some very large products with historical armor and he told me they did not sell nearly well enough for him to continue with the series. It's the same basic reason we get so much impractical skimpwear, that's what sells and it sells because it's what a majority of Studio users will actually use in their art. But that's also a dead horse discussion. ;)
=-) I'm accustomed to my tastes being in the minority. I don't want to render what is popular and sexy doesn't interest me, unless it is a sexy man. =-) In fact if it is popular I'm more likely not to want to render it.
In general what I want to see in art is illustrations or action scenes. I'm bored by pinups and portraits, which I think are the most popular. But c'est la vie. I'm reminded often that I am not the target audience. And I Can live with that. Who wants to be someone's target?
I'm more likely to 'like' an image, where there are some props, some action, some lights, more than one character, and some story involved.
Heeled boots appeared when stirrups were invented, for the simple and obvious reason to keep the foot from slipping through the stirrup.
FWIW, riding boots do not "arch the foot up in the middle (@ nDelphi ), they put the foot in roughly the same position as any shoe with an equivalent height heel (or wedge). Been wearing "cowboy" boots all my life, without the middle of my foot being higher than the heel.
The ancient Persian heel shoes I saw did. The modern design is different, then.
Ah, $6 for fifty everyday poses most with mirrors, mostly flat-footed or sitting compliments of i13. That saves me some time...
http://www.daz3d.com/i13-50-essential-poses-for-genesis-3-female-s
Indeed; it's about to get bought, has been bought. A nice variety, the option to mix and match - so what's not to like. Sure I'll tweak them, but that's called personalisation. And some figures suite different poses too; as an example, an overweight person is less likely to be on her (or his) tiptoes. Note I said less likely. :)
As a nice bonus, here's something I tossed together myself after going through and looking at some of the recent posekits and my old TAPP sets:
It's actually a variant on an animated set I dif for Sadie years ago. If I'm really feeling squirrelly, I might redo the set for G3F/Skyler/Josie one of these days.
Note to self: Include the floor mats and balance beam this time.
Are we talking history or fantasy? I don't recall any verified history of spell casting hotties...
Exactly.
Salem witch trials; Alice Nutter in the UK; and no doubt many others in other countries, mostly women too. I don't know if they were hotties, and must confess to a little doubt about the spell-casting; something went on, and some people died for it - that's pretty serious imo. I doubt there was mutch standing on tiptoes, and burning was more popular as opposed to stretching of the neck.
Genius!
So the Dreamlight guy, in one of his training videos I saw about a year ago, compared "success" (in this case, success in product sales) to a person throwing some balls into the ocean. Some of them will sink. Others will float. If I paraphrase him correctly, the moral of the story was "spend less time on ideas that sink and more on ideas that float."
"Genius!"
Very much appreciated! :)
That's a good analogy from Dreamlight, and one that can be applied to most things in life.
Despite the pictures I usually make, I really like cute and fun art. I just need to keep in mind that if I make any cute or fun art myself, my usual visitors are likely not to be interested in it. Merchants probably face the same dilemma; there are many things they personally would like to make, but the question becomes whether it's worth the effort if very few people will buy it.
Fantasy is fantasy. I find it funny when people can look at a picture of a woman in a chainmail bikini and heels casting magical spells against a fire-breathing dragon and complain about her outfit not being realistic. ;)
I commented on it, I guess, because I have been in the same conversation before. It stems from the superhoroes in highheels in comics. In comics and 3D art, it just bugs people. I couldn't care less. I personally don't use high heels in my fantasy art. Everyone else has a right to their own thing.
"I commented on it, I guess, because I have been in the same conversation before. "
Sorry, I wasn't directing that at you personally. Just in general, I'll see a really nice image on deviantArt like of an elf archer with enchanted arrows and there will always be someone who says "she wouldn't last a minute in a real fight wearing that armor"...to which I want to say "she's an ELF with MAGIC ARROWS. She'll last as long as the artist wants her to." ;)
Some amount of realism in fantasy is certainly advisable, but what many people tend to forget is that it is not required.
I understand, I just wanted to explain myself as I was the one who ran with it here. I also did use the word "weird" to describe how I felt. So I guess I am somewhat guilty of the attitude myself. However, I have never criticized any art piece on the basis of the wardrobe.
Greetings,
So I'm going to speak to the other side of this, and I think there are two issues. Even fantasy images have an internal logic which needs to be self-consistent. A dragon and magic is consistent with a fantasy setting, but high heels on a female foot-soldier are not; they are an incursion of modernity on a fantasy setting, and it breaks the internal logic. This is why people call that out instead of the magic or dragons.
Secondly, and more controversial, the scanty clothes and high heels transform the focus to their sexualized look instead of the action, which bothers some people. This ends up being expressed as a dislike of the clothes, thus it gets called out...again, instead of the magic or dragons.
-- Morgan
DAZ studio seems pretty much geared and designed to make images of beautiful women in as little as possible. So for me it takes more than that to get interested.
I'm okay wtih a culture where women go around in thong undies and fight in high heels. But I would portray the men as doing the same. =-) What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Cypher: Those are valid points, and they make sense if the logic behind something like high heels is not explained. However, there's nothing saying that a fantasy warrior cannot wear high heels for reasons other than to be sexy. One of my characters wears heels as a weapon for stomping on fallen foes (and she actually has the more practical outfit of my main characters). It may be silly, but I did want to come up with a reason to justify it (she originally had to wear heels because I didn't have any other good boots when I made her back in the V4 days, heh). I didn't give her heels because I wanted her to look like a modern woman, I just figured it's not entirely impractical that someone in the past thought of putting a spike on their foot to use as a weapon.
Having a problem with sexualized fantasy characters is a matter of personal opinion. I have much more of a problem with Red Sonja's never-changing angry personality and her cutting the head off of everything that crosses her path than with her outfit.
When it all comes down to it, no one's criticism really matters though. If someone wants to have a medieval heroine get super powers from finding a radioactive bikini put away in a time capsule by 60's teenagers and sent back in time by an atomic blast, they should do it and not worry if you or I think it makes absolutely no sense. We've seen far dumber ideas take off. :)
edit: Granted though, if someone is telling a serious story like Game of Thrones and characters start walking around in halter tops and saying "okay" and "cool", I would certainly understand why people would point it out. I don't disagree with you, it's just important to understand context when there is some. If there was a female character who wore very little because she grew up in a scorching desert land and was not used to wearing clothes, I might think "well that's a good excuse to show a lot of skin", but I'd accept it.
Ugh, don't get me started on Game of Thrones (seriously someone stop me here). Seriously I prefer honestly unrealistic to "no we have to have all those rapes 'cause its realistic". Meanwhile the entire continent of Westeros doesn't appear to have a single functioning farm. Seriously look at all the establishing shots of the cities, they should be surrounded by farms, all those desolate forests they go through, nope cut down for farms. If the show were actually realistic, everyone would have starved to death 3 seasons ago. Dragons fine, clearly someone in Westeros has invented the refrigerator, which is a bit harder to believe.
Frankly ladies fighting and in skimpy clothes I'm fine with, on the skimpy clothes front theres even some evidence of women's decollete falling below the nipple (though these sources are generally considered comedic exaggerations) Likewise, while they are few and far between there are more than a few ladies who are as verified at being fighters as a historical person can be (Matilda of Cannosa is a good one, but my favorite is Julie d'Aubigny, I mean come on she's a bisexual fencing opera singer) My only real problem with the metal bikini is practical, That thing would chafe andd igg in to you're skin something awful, at that point just make like those early celts and go fully nude (unless your well endowed then I'd suggest doubling down on the amazon route, or you know don't because they hadn't figured out the whole sterilizing thing)
.... Oooh there's another problem I have with game of thrones, no ones just up and died from an easily preventable disease. Come on, when's Bronn going to get a paper cut, not clean it and then die in agony a few months later?
'We Have Always Fought'
Read it.
Like when Optimus Prime is written to say stuff like "My bad."
Didn't the Autobots learn English from the Internet though (in the idiotic movies at least)? That would actually explain it...doesn't make it any less ridiculous, but it would make some sense.
The backstory says they learned it from our popular media. Had they access to the Interwebs, they would know the difference between proper usage and colloquialisms.