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  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    Daz 3D has alwasy tried to be a Family Friendly site.  We do have some quite young members.

  • diomede said:

    Regarding banning violence.  Reportedly, a school has banned Wonder Woman lunch boxes because of violence concerns.

    https://gma.yahoo.com/school-reportedly-bans-girls-wonder-woman-lunchbox-161849440--abc-news-BackToSchool.html

    “As lovely as Aphrodite, as wise as Athena,” the lunchbox reads.

    To be fair, Athena was also a goddess of war, and cursed her priestess, Medusa to her well known form for having the audacity of being raped by Posiden in her temple.
  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    edited September 2015

    I messed up using quote... But...

    diomede said: " Regarding banning violence.  Reportedly, a school has banned Wonder Woman lunch boxes because of violence concerns.

    https://gma.yahoo.com/school-reportedly-bans-girls-wonder-woman-lunchbox-161849440--abc-news-BackToSchool.html

    “As lovely as Aphrodite, as wise as Athena,” the lunchbox reads. "

     

     

    When I was in high school we were all bummed out by them banning battle axes in the cafeteria... I'm afraid it has spiraled out of control since then.

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085

    Seems to me that most of the people on the forums are grown folks.

    I read that as old... You think we are old... Thanks... I'm a little senile... But not that old... But yeah... There are a lot of geezers here, hu?

  • My Mom at one point forbade me from reading Mighty Mouse comics because they were too violent. OK, that WAS a previous century...

    I love this product, I bought it, but I was a little surprised that the Orcamaid skin promo is completely nude:

    http://www.daz3d.com/universal-wet-maps-and-orcamaid

    I used the orcamaid skin texture ON the bikini, so it looked like she was wearing a bikini and it looked like she was nude. Only a little bit sneaky...

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/uploads/FileUpload/ce/ffa6b71f93b8ebe967291652078f9a.jpg

    I have been significantly disappointed at some of the products I have bought here at DAZ, but I tend not to return them. I just figure out how to use them. I think being able to see a full skin promo would prevent a lot of disappointment though. I've bought some skin textures I had to actually paint over because there was too much hair down there.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    edited September 2015
    Chohole said:

    Daz 3D has alwasy tried to be a Family Friendly site.  We do have some quite young members.

     

    I was under the impression that there was an age restriction in the forums at least - has this changed?

     

    Post edited by scorpio on
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    scorpio said:
    Chohole said:

    Daz 3D has alwasy tried to be a Family Friendly site.  We do have some quite young members.

     

    I was under the impression that there was an age restriction in the forums at least - has this changed?

     

    AFAICR it was 14, but not easy to police that as nowhere does one have to enter a birthdate any more.

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    Chohole said:
    scorpio said:
    Chohole said:

    Daz 3D has alwasy tried to be a Family Friendly site.  We do have some quite young members.

     

    I was under the impression that there was an age restriction in the forums at least - has this changed?

     

    AFAICR it was 14, but not easy to police that as nowhere does one have to enter a birthdate any more.

    And even then there were always 'parental consent' exemptions...

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited September 2015
    Chohole said:
    scorpio said:
    Chohole said:

    Daz 3D has alwasy tried to be a Family Friendly site.  We do have some quite young members.

     

    I was under the impression that there was an age restriction in the forums at least - has this changed?

     

    AFAICR it was 14, but not easy to police that as nowhere does one have to enter a birthdate any more.

    Entering a date is such a secure method... Not.

    Tieing accounts to credit cards whilst not fool-proof would at least guarantee some due-dilligence; it would also be a great way for those being able to view nude images if they had opted in, to do so. And make the hastle of buying some products less.

    Post edited by nicstt on
  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    McGyver said:
    cosmo71 said:
    McGyver said:

    Hey I'm against naked monsters... Especially those Elmos and Cookie Monsters.

    uuuuuh naked monsters...okay...you won wink

     

    Yaaaaay!   I won something!... I hope it's a pine cone, I do dearly love those.  But yeah... Cookie Monster is a monster... Elmo is his nephew... Neither wear clothes... Naked monsters.  

    Come to think of it most monsters are naked. 

    This is a shocking realization for me....

    Okay... I'm over it.

    Kermit is also naked...but Miss Piggy is not and also at the muppets show only "men" can show bare chests laugh

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    nicstt said:
    Chohole said:
    scorpio said:
    Chohole said:

    Daz 3D has alwasy tried to be a Family Friendly site.  We do have some quite young members.

     

    I was under the impression that there was an age restriction in the forums at least - has this changed?

     

    AFAICR it was 14, but not easy to police that as nowhere does one have to enter a birthdate any more.

    Entering a date is such a secure method... Not.

    Tieing accounts to credit cards whilst not fool-proof would at least guarantee some due-dilligence; it would also be a great way for those being able to view nude images if they had opted in, to do so. And make the hastle of buying some products less.

    Some of us don't have a credit card

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Chohole said:
    nicstt said:
    Chohole said:
    scorpio said:
    Chohole said:

    Daz 3D has alwasy tried to be a Family Friendly site.  We do have some quite young members.

     

    I was under the impression that there was an age restriction in the forums at least - has this changed?

     

    AFAICR it was 14, but not easy to police that as nowhere does one have to enter a birthdate any more.

    Entering a date is such a secure method... Not.

    Tieing accounts to credit cards whilst not fool-proof would at least guarantee some due-dilligence; it would also be a great way for those being able to view nude images if they had opted in, to do so. And make the hastle of buying some products less.

    Some of us don't have a credit card

    A point; but if you purchase items, you do it by a method, and that too may potentially be a way which age suitability could be determined; like any method, not foolproof.

  • cdemerit said:

    Ok, well, if Nudity is not allowed, Where is her Bra?surprise

     

    http://www.daz3d.com/taurette-for-genesis-2-female-hd

     

    I mean, if we must protect the children from the Mammary Gland, shouldn't we protect them from all mammary glands?wink

    Yeah, give me a break!! That IS Disgusting!! And to think that their monitoring of images banning female models because they are showing butt cheeks (at a side angle with underwear on..purchased from DAZ, at that).  Also, poses, SOLD by DAZ, are also provocative (supposedly by DAZ monitoring)...so do not use some of those poses for any gallery images.

  • So, DAZ markets tutorials by Dreamlight and I have purchased many of those courses.  Some of those courses involve rendering the female in very tasteful, minimally clothed images.  Heck, the author was a glamour and nude photographer.  I too, took many courses on glamour and nude photography back in the day when I was a commercial photographer.  The creative imagery of the female human body is an art that is real.  As stated, many very popular art works are of the female body.  Now, I agree that there is a limit to this art creation.  Rendering imagery that promotes sexual acts or perversion should not be tolerated. I, for one, concentrate on rendering the female in a way to bring out her beauty in a tasteful way.  DAZ markets many products that help me in my creations.  So, are we to say that we can purchase these items, but cannot utilize them to make models to show to the DAZ community for critiqueing? I will not enter my art in areas such as Renderotica because I do not want the people viewing my art to classify me and my work in the sexual pervesion sense.  That is not my goal.  So, I have no way of showing my work except on my own website, which is fine, but the DAZ community, who all work in the same 3D arena, can show much more critiqueing in the galleries.  So, what am I trying to relate here?  Well, take a look at the world today..TV, movies, schools, video games, etc. you name it show more nudity/violence/perversion than anything I have seen at the DAZ community. That is a good thing, and it is because of their monitoring, but tasteful art showing some nudity should be able to be shown. Blatent nudity, of course should not be allowed, but tasteful art showing no gentilla and some butt cheeks?  The "family oriented" feeling that we get from the DAZ monitoring system is being shot down because these "family oriented" persons are getting far, far worse exposure just by watching TV, playing video games, etc. Anyhow, just my thoughts....wink

  • BeeMKayBeeMKay Posts: 7,019
    edited September 2015

     

    nicstt said:

    A point; but if you purchase items, you do it by a method, and that too may potentially be a way which age suitability could be determined; like any method, not foolproof.

     

    Well, some methods of payment don't accept it when a site sells "obscene" material: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US

    So it's entirely possible that someone avoids aforementioned materials to prevent locking of those method of payments, and frozen money on that account. This is purely speculating, of course.

    (Admin: If posting the link is against the TOS, please remove the link.)

    Post edited by BeeMKay on
  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

     

    lee_lhs said:

     

    nicstt said:

    A point; but if you purchase items, you do it by a method, and that too may potentially be a way which age suitability could be determined; like any method, not foolproof.

     

    Well, some methods of payment don't accept it when a site sells "obscene" material: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US

    So it's entirely possible that someone avoids aforementioned materials to prevent locking of those method of payments, and frozen money on that account. This is purely speculating, of course.

    (Admin: If posting the link is against the TOS, please remove the link.)

    Hadn't realised; this is presuming that all parties agree on these issues of course.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,843
    lee_lhs said:
    Well, some methods of payment don't accept it when a site sells "obscene" material: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full?country.x=US&locale.x=en_US

    So it's entirely possible that someone avoids aforementioned materials to prevent locking of those method of payments, and frozen money on that account. This is purely speculating, of course.

    Thanks for the link, but "obscene" is also up to interpretation as they also mention "violence", which has been pointed out earlier in this thread with products that depict that. Not to mention, some other sites that are far less "familiy oriented" accept paypal, it's how I got my GF2 and GF3 gens addons

    It's obvious there is no pleasing everyone. What offends one person will not offend the next, even what many consider basic or borderline images, set some off on an uncontrollable rant. My biggest concern is just full promo images to help me in buying products, nudity in a gellery is just a bonus, LOL.

  • So, DAZ markets tutorials by Dreamlight and I have purchased many of those courses.  Some of those courses involve rendering the female in very tasteful, minimally clothed images.  Heck, the author was a glamour and nude photographer.  I too, took many courses on glamour and nude photography back in the day when I was a commercial photographer.  The creative imagery of the female human body is an art that is real.  As stated, many very popular art works are of the female body.  Now, I agree that there is a limit to this art creation.  Rendering imagery that promotes sexual acts or perversion should not be tolerated. I, for one, concentrate on rendering the female in a way to bring out her beauty in a tasteful way.  DAZ markets many products that help me in my creations.  So, are we to say that we can purchase these items, but cannot utilize them to make models to show to the DAZ community for critiqueing? I will not enter my art in areas such as Renderotica because I do not want the people viewing my art to classify me and my work in the sexual pervesion sense.  That is not my goal.  So, I have no way of showing my work except on my own website, which is fine, but the DAZ community, who all work in the same 3D arena, can show much more critiqueing in the galleries.  So, what am I trying to relate here?  Well, take a look at the world today..TV, movies, schools, video games, etc. you name it show more nudity/violence/perversion than anything I have seen at the DAZ community. That is a good thing, and it is because of their monitoring, but tasteful art showing some nudity should be able to be shown. Blatent nudity, of course should not be allowed, but tasteful art showing no gentilla and some butt cheeks?  The "family oriented" feeling that we get from the DAZ monitoring system is being shot down because these "family oriented" persons are getting far, far worse exposure just by watching TV, playing video games, etc. Anyhow, just my thoughts....wink

    What about deviantArt?

  • McGyver said:

    Seems to me that most of the people on the forums are grown folks.

    I read that as old... You think we are old... Thanks... I'm a little senile... But not that old... But yeah... There are a lot of geezers here, hu?

    I AM an "grown folk". I turn 50 next month. But I meant grown folk as in "adults", not old.

  • nudity is one of those, just don't go there, kind of things.

    Yes, Daz 3 can do nudity, no you cannot post it here...ever.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    What I think it really comes down to is "no nudity" is clear cut and easily enforceable. The DAZ forums and galleries don't exactly have a giant staff of admin. Personally I'm a fan of non-sexual nudity (think the classical nude in art), and also sexual, but sort of non-sexualized nudity (I'm a big fan of Schiele) but neither of those standards are easily enforceable and would require judgment calls.  Nudity (Y/N) is much easier to handle than "Is this nudity within appropriate standards". 

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    People get offended by nudity; I get that, it's just that I get offended by the fact, it is harder to make choices because of that; I'm not offended by nudity, I am however offended by what can be portrayed by the naked form; the trouble is the same thing can be portrayed regardless of the state of undress or otherwise.

    To kind of illustrate, it's only about five years ago that a sheriff in the US said girls dressing a certain way should expect to get hastled, even raped. Attitudes like that suggest to me we need far more nudity; shove it down his throat till he chokes on it.

    What really annoys mean here though, is that I can't make decissions on some items I purchase because of that ban. I have to purchase and check it out, or not; it gets to the stage where folks use excessive clothing on a model and its accompanying texture, thus making it more difficult still.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085
    I'm not offended by nudity, but once you allow it you get flooded with night porn. I agree with J cade -- easier to say no nudity rather than hiring a team of art critics.
  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    edited September 2015

    Well I get offended by nothing relating to images.

    Post edited by cosmo71 on
  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    edited September 2015
    nicstt said:

    To kind of illustrate, it's only about five years ago that a sheriff in the US said girls dressing a certain way should expect to get hastled, even raped. Attitudes like that suggest to me we need far more nudity; shove it down his throat till he chokes on it.

     

    I would say this sheriff is a possible suspect if it comes to rapes in his area of responsibility. It seems he has such fantasies.

    Post edited by cosmo71 on
  • I like to choose  to see nudity on the net. I'm content with the status quo, really. In general I'm not overly interested in nude or erotic art.

  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    edited September 2015

    Hmm, it is quite easy for other galleries not to show images containing nudity but have them. An avatar image on the icon and everything works, if you want to see it you have to click on the "avatar" image if you want to see it not, don`t click. Quite simple.

    Post edited by cosmo71 on
  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    Chohole said:
    nicstt said:
    Chohole said:
    scorpio said:
    Chohole said:

    Daz 3D has alwasy tried to be a Family Friendly site.  We do have some quite young members.

     

    I was under the impression that there was an age restriction in the forums at least - has this changed?

     

    AFAICR it was 14, but not easy to police that as nowhere does one have to enter a birthdate any more.

    Entering a date is such a secure method... Not.

    Tieing accounts to credit cards whilst not fool-proof would at least guarantee some due-dilligence; it would also be a great way for those being able to view nude images if they had opted in, to do so. And make the hastle of buying some products less.

    Some of us don't have a credit card

    then you can`t see it, quite simple.

  • well I do both fantasy and pinup influences being artists such as  Olivia De Berardinis, Julie Bell, Boris Vallajo, Joe Jusko, Lois Royo, Chris Achilleos, Larry Elmoore, Fastner & Larson and many more as well animated stuff, comics, monsters (I sculpted and drew), cosplayers, gaming, Bettie Page, basicly anything related anyway I uploaded a render got into big trouble over even threatened to be banned it was three ladies posed together with their arms around each other wearing non revealing lingerie one did have her hand near anothers breast so maybe suggestive but it was'nt grabbing or anything but there are a lot more suggestive way more obvious actually in the galleries as well as the featured section as well as in the promos for products such as the couples ones and others and I had one render in one of the main pc member comps think it was the pc anniversy can't remember that had a women in her lingerie in a seductive embrace from a female demon/vampire but in my Serenity 11 which is on my deviant art page if anyone wants to check it out, it was three normal women unless that is an issue any renders where the characters are not fantasy that are normal that feature two or more women or two or more men in an embrace/tender/loving/couple thing that's more than buddy buddy is a huge no no

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