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Ok, here's a crazy idea. You're going to laugh. Feel free to shoot this idea down and point out why I'm crazy and it will never work:
If the promos displayed on the website don't allow full nudity, but obviously you can purchase and download the product itself that DOES have full nudity... how about making the promos a "product" that's just the promo image in question that you can purchase for $0 and download and view? It would be no different than the actual product or freebie in terms of whatever rules are being followed, right? But now potential buyers, (but not casual browsers and search engines or whatever) can see it. (Although obviously it would be extra overhead to have these extra dummy products, but if the system could be automated somehow maybe it wouldn't be a big deal.)
And aren't store accounts already age linked somehow?
I think that is a great idea for those really interested, to be able to see what the product includes.
I don't render genitals since I don't use them at all... But for those that do... Seems reasonable.
This is kinda off topic but I accidentaly render horse 2 or a dog's genitals. Oops. I sometimes place props in front of the genitals or adust the camera angle so that the genitals don't show.
Another solution which is already available is to buy the character whose skin you want to see in more detail, render it yourself in Studio/Poser/Whatever, and then return it if you are not happy. As long as the item was not purchased during some special sales event (like the current rev-up event), you can always return it, no questions asked.
Hadn't thought of that; although my last attempt to get help from a vendor ended up with me buying the product, then returning.
Renderosity seem to tackle the situation the best imo; a warning, and then the user makes the decission if they can cope with the extra skin; this could even be coded to ensure one had to log in first.
EDIT (05/09/2015)
Actually, the issues discussed coupled with what I can see of being yet more suntanned - please no more suntanned models - means I wont be buying it.
What I don't get is how allowing nudity would immediately turn the boards into a 'porn-fest'. Not only that nudity doesn't necessarily equal porn - which really is not something I should have to mention on an art-related site - but are we really sure that half the userbase is sitting on top of mountains of nude - or porn - images that they just can't wait to post on this board, for some reasom?
I mean, I do, of course, but surely I am particularly twisted :D
this reminds me of a local toy store that its mascot is a purple teddy bear and they had a giant painting of him someone complained about because he wasn't wearing trousers even though he doesn't have anything there and I have heard people complain about animals too some people are well they have problems, anyway yeah with the daz horse and others I've made them female in post work just in case stupid yes but there only has to be one like my lingerie pinup I posted on facebook but I won that. Yeah there are times clothing or at least on certain parts in some renders like fantasy human creature hybrids like mermaids, gorgons, harpies, and others doesn't look right but like I've said before at times I'll do two versions of a render and upload the uncensored version to the sites that allow it and the censored version to the others which I don't mind really because lets face it there are plenty that will push the limit and go overboard and ruin it for everyone else uploading extremely explicit either sexual or violent or hate/anger filled renders it would happen so I'm happy with the restrictions makes me more creative and allows me to spread my renders over different sites offering something different to view. BTW yeah some skins don't have genitals and such but if you have a few that do with the ones you don't for example the Min_Seo add on character for Mei Lin , has no genitals but if you go into your shaping tab you can select and give any of the genetal shapes of any of your other g2 ladies that has them and mix match the different versions if you want just like any other body part shape plus it uses her own skin tone plus well she's shaved which also means if you have zevo/draagonstorm great Skin Builder Pro for Genesis and Genesis 2 Female(s) if you want to give her hair done there you have several style options plus your choice of colours and you can layer them up - nipples colour too- oh in shaping you can create add shape to nipples too, so in many ways you have more options with a skin that doesn't have a base nude skin than one that does as you can't really do any changes to that as I've seen elswhere some have said on some character skins they wanted less hair or different style or colour so yeah having a skin with premade nude base is nice but one without and using what I mentioned gives you so many more options - I only recently discovered the shaping part btw before was selecting anatomy and adding g2 genitals then tried to match skin hit and miss but if you don't use that add on and go into shaping tab instead in waist section it works out perfect
I whole heartedly agree with what you are saying. If an artist can get lots of likes and then be put in the top gallery, then the rules seem to change. Also, it appears that renders of fantasy types have different rules, as well. Just say'in.
I find this thread to be very timely indeed, as it coincides with the controversy generated in NYC about the topless "photo op" girls, who as I just noted are topless (well, shirtless... They are not just torsos... That's just creepy)... The topless models pose for photos (for cash) with tourists in Times Square... But apparently because they have body paint on, it skirts some nudity laws... Which finally is bringing to light the real problem of nude cartoon characters plaguing Times Square... A few years ago there were a couple of super heroes or Disney characters posing here and there... But today, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an Elmo, Cookie Monster, Winnie the Pooh or Puss in Boots... None of whom are wearing pants... Which is totally unfair because if I were to hug a tourist without my pants on, I'd be arrested again... I mean for the first time ever... And to make matters worse, who knows if they are even wearing clothes under that costume?... I'm sure you are asking "what does this have to do with this conversation?"... Well... I... I don't really remember, but who is to say anyone here at these forums isn't naked right now... I could be... Wait... No, I'm not... But for some reason I'm wearing a gorilla costume... I wonder what that's about... ?... I really have to leave myself notes... But anyway... I think what I was trying to say is, "aren't we all naked under our clothes?"... No... That wasn't it either... That post about the naked purple teddy bear got me thinking about... Something... Maybe it's that perhaps it's sometimes better to define a limit, even if seems silly to some people, it sometimes avoids bigger problems down the road... Just like Times Square. One day there are a handful of okay looking, but unlicencesed super heroes or Disney princess and the next day, some dumb ass is climbing into a white garbage bag and calling himself Casper the Friendly Ghost and harassing the topless chicks because they are crowding him out of his share of the tourist photo ops... Actually, the topless chicks are probably the controversy, not the guys in the really terrible homemade Elmo costumes, but you really have to see them... It's epically terrible... There was this one guy who was supposed to be Winnie The Pooh who clearly wasn't even trying, I swear it looked like he was just wearing orange footy pajamas and a red vest... It's sad really... And in a way that applies here too... Because, there is tasteful nudity and terrible looking nudity... Sure, if the restrictions were lifted, at first you would get tasteful classic pin ups and artistic poses... But then in short order, you'd have people posting slapped together renders of fat guys on ponies or really bizarrely over buxom Vickies with giant distorted textured nipples and bad AO... I really don't need to see that. Granted there is some level of PC unfairness, but there are other places that let folks indulge in that, so who cares if nipples have to be hidden, I'd rather imagine nice ones then see huge bizarre ones you could hang a coat on, with overstretched UVs that leave a painful afterimage on my retina. Well, I think there is a twelve percent chance I may have made or at least come close to making a point... Which based on the majority of my posts is actually pretty good... In case I missed it, sorry if you read through this and feel cheated, but sometimes the more convoluted the thought, the more profound the message... Not really, but that's more or less what they teach in philosophy classes, so that's my defense for today.
If a person isn't naked then...
Everyone is naked but for... whatever they are wearing. :)
IMO, this is a family oriented site so any amouunt of nudity is uncalled for. I wouldn't want a 12 year old that is trying their hand at DazStudio cause they really love art to see such images.
I think the term family oriented isn't the best term. It's used as a way to say "not adult oriented". But it's not genuinely family oriented.
zombies, monsters, blood, crime, weapons, violence is okay?
Well, you look at the monster at the Fast Grab promo, and you know what's okay in that aspect. Honestly, it's an artistically fine render, but it gives me bad dreams.
Hey I'm against naked monsters... Especially those Elmos and Cookie Monsters.
For me personally, the very nature of the software and CG in general is akin to the internet and I would have to carefully monitor what addons are installed and what is being done with DS for any child of mine to use it without some adult supervision. Luckily my daughter is 17 and I was able to stick with non digital, classic mediums when she was growing up to stimulate her artistic needs.
The odd thing is, even with classic art mediums, nudity is very much present, so why not on an art aite?
This came up on Blender Artists; the images involved nudity as the tutorial involved modelling the female; one of the posters said he was underage, and the suggestion was ask his parents as if he is serious about art as a career, he's going to need to confront it, as well as learn anatomy for better understanding; his parents agreed. Sensible imo. Make it that folks need to be signed in then treat parents like responsible people who can make decissions for their kids without loads of do-gooders interfearing, who are clueless about circumstances.
uuuuuh naked monsters...okay...you won
the thing is...go in a museum with art paintings and you will have nudity all around. Do kids never visit museums? Poor education then
I completely agree, although I can't say it gives me nightmares. I was rather surprised when I saw that a site claiming to be "family oriented" had changed the fast grab promo image to that. Imo that is more inapproprate for young people than any kind of nudity. (obviously DAZ admins does not agree with me on that) I can still remember some scenes from Poltergeist when I in my early teens watched it on VHS in the mid 80's but the nudity or even hardcore porn I had seen by that time was soon forgotten.
Anyways, what I wanted to say is, even though it's a great render I really think DAZ should reconsider what promo image they use for the fast grab, if they want to profile themselves as "family friendly".
Personal opinion here: I agree Daz does not need to display nude images, as there are lots of other places for that, however, I do see a highly ironic situation in that a large percent of Daz's income comes from Beauty of the Human Body, yet they set the rules to not show said beauty on their own website, yet naked monster butts are fine.... Actually, I think this says more about society than it does Daz, but it is strange to me anyways. The one thing I've never had anyone fully explain to me (at 41 years old) is how seeing the adult naked body is harmful to a child in the first place, and the only thing I can come up with is there are still a lot of people who equate nudity with sexuality.
Ok, well, if Nudity is not allowed, Where is her Bra?
http://www.daz3d.com/taurette-for-genesis-2-female-hd
I mean, if we must protect the children from the Mammary Gland, shouldn't we protect them from all mammary glands?
I'm both shocked and offended... Actually, neither, but that's creepy in a funny way... More creepy than funny... Disturbing actually.
Yaaaaay! I won something!... I hope it's a pine cone, I do dearly love those. But yeah... Cookie Monster is a monster... Elmo is his nephew... Neither wear clothes... Naked monsters.
Come to think of it most monsters are naked.
This is a shocking realization for me....
Okay... I'm over it.
A lot of Aliens are also naked... seems like we are the ones with an issue....
Regarding banning violence. Reportedly, a school has banned Wonder Woman lunch boxes because of violence concerns.
https://gma.yahoo.com/school-reportedly-bans-girls-wonder-woman-lunchbox-161849440--abc-news-BackToSchool.html
“As lovely as Aphrodite, as wise as Athena,” the lunchbox reads.
That's not really something to go by, though...schools, these days, are prone to ban all manner of things that make no sense.
I'm pretty sure half the curriculum and most of the lunches I had in HS would be banned now...
When did Daz decide to become a "family-friendly" site? I wonder if there was a legal complaint? Or maybe they just expanded their promotional targeting to more family-oriented sites? Seems to me that most of the people on the forums are grown folks.