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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,403

    Somewhat curious here -- anyone know what kind of hissy--fit Windows 10 will throw if it is installed on a system without internet access?

     

    So I can't turn off auto update - big deal; just TRY to connect to Microsoft from this system!devil

  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,916
    Spit said:
    nDelphi said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Looks as if 10 is right out for me as neither the Home or Pro version allows one to completely turn off auto updating or reject updates (particularly useful when one doesn't use features or hardware updates are targeted for).  To get the Enterprivse version (the only one which will allow you full control over updating like all versions of 7 and 8.1 currently allow), you must be a company that is registered with MS's Software Assurance Programme.

    Microsoft, as always lacking any foresight. I was reading an article several days ago about several ways to stop Windows' 10 auto updating. One of them included turning off the service.

    I am sure that we will see, if it isn't available already, an applet to help with this. So much for Microsoft's douchebag behavior, it always gets owned.

    That only ensures you don't get security updates either.

    Not necessarily. I just read you can get functionality back with a few registry hacks. You just need to go find the info, it is out there. Eventually most of the features being hidden from us now will eventually be brought back by white hat programmers. The same programmers who have provided tools to get back the Start menu in Windows 8. So, as I said this is Microsoft just working harder than they need to.

  • Mr Gneiss GuyMr Gneiss Guy Posts: 462
    kyoto kid said:

    ...sounds like MS is becoming "Big Brother.." .

    Warning, grumpy old man rant:

    The sad thing is, a lot of people really need "Big Brother".  I know people who have had a computer for thirty years and still have no more understanding of how it works than they did after the second day of owning their first machine, let alone how to protect oneself.  I've been building my own machines for almost twenty years, know how they work and can troubleshoot, which paints a big "Mr. Tech Support" label on me for friends and acquaintances, which I used to be nice about but is now really wearing thin.  After the third time of removing the same damn virus, contracted the same way, and listening to the person try to explain how it wasn't their fault and "it just happened", then maybe they deserve Big Brother.

  • SerpentSerpent Posts: 4,075

    Win 8.1 on my new mega-laptop.  My old laptop has an HD3000 on-chip graphics and apparently won't run Win 10.  Oh well.

    3.5GB is a big download.. indecision

  • RorrKonnRorrKonn Posts: 509
    edited July 2015

    Mr Gneiss Guy send them to staples,there get tiered of paying there fee n stop getting viruses

     

    Post edited by RorrKonn on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,837
    acanthis said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ..precisely why I cancelled my reservation.  Too much  of a "big brother" approach for me.

    I did exactly the same, but discovered that M$ have been secretly downloading the installer in the background so that on Ten Day they can do a "Tadaaa - here is Windows 10 For YOU!" (And thanks for unknowingly giving us permission to change whatever we like when we like).

    Once I had tracked down and removed that awful piece of M$ Adware, GWX (also known as "Get Windows 10"), 3.5GB of space miraculously reappeared, confirming my suspicion that something recently had eaten up a sizeable chunk of hard disk.

    Anyway, I'm not ruling 10 out completely, but it's not going to happen for me on Ten Day (29/07/2015) and not until I see what a mess M$ make of the upgrade routine.

    btw Did you know that it is M$ policy to have home users "test" Windows 10 before it gets released to big business. No? Why else did you think it was free? smiley

    ...just ran a search of C: and found two entries, one with what appears to be a Firefox logo.  Interesting in there is no data listed for Type, Date Modified, Size, or Folder Location when viewing in Details mode.

    So just go ahead and delete?

  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604
    kyoto kid said:
    acanthis said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ..precisely why I cancelled my reservation.  Too much  of a "big brother" approach for me.

    I did exactly the same, but discovered that M$ have been secretly downloading the installer in the background so that on Ten Day they can do a "Tadaaa - here is Windows 10 For YOU!" (And thanks for unknowingly giving us permission to change whatever we like when we like).

    Once I had tracked down and removed that awful piece of M$ Adware, GWX (also known as "Get Windows 10"), 3.5GB of space miraculously reappeared, confirming my suspicion that something recently had eaten up a sizeable chunk of hard disk.

    Anyway, I'm not ruling 10 out completely, but it's not going to happen for me on Ten Day (29/07/2015) and not until I see what a mess M$ make of the upgrade routine.

    btw Did you know that it is M$ policy to have home users "test" Windows 10 before it gets released to big business. No? Why else did you think it was free? smiley

    ...just ran a search of C: and found two entries, one with what appears to be a Firefox logo.  Interesting in there is no data listed for Type, Date Modified, Size, or Folder Location when viewing in Details mode.

    So just go ahead and delete?

    The safest way to remove GWX is to remove the Windows Update item that installed it, and that's update KB3035583 - you can search for this in your installed updates and then uninstall it. Installed updates are listed on the Updates tab of your Programs and Features (take the Uninstall a Program option off the Control Panel and click on View Installed Updates).

    Deleting the folders (Windows\System32\GWX and Windows\SysWOW64\GWX) will be problematic because (a) you will have to take ownership of them first and (b) the tasks are still running. There is a whole page devoted to removing GWX here: http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/6596-get-windows-10-icon-remove-taskbar-windows-7-8-1-a.html 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,837

    ...Thanks, that did the trick.  Of course after the reboot it showed up again as a new "important" update so I just hid it.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343
    nDelphi said:
    Spit said:
    nDelphi said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Looks as if 10 is right out for me as neither the Home or Pro version allows one to completely turn off auto updating or reject updates (particularly useful when one doesn't use features or hardware updates are targeted for).  To get the Enterprivse version (the only one which will allow you full control over updating like all versions of 7 and 8.1 currently allow), you must be a company that is registered with MS's Software Assurance Programme.

    Microsoft, as always lacking any foresight. I was reading an article several days ago about several ways to stop Windows' 10 auto updating. One of them included turning off the service.

    I am sure that we will see, if it isn't available already, an applet to help with this. So much for Microsoft's douchebag behavior, it always gets owned.

    That only ensures you don't get security updates either.

    Not necessarily. I just read you can get functionality back with a few registry hacks. You just need to go find the info, it is out there. Eventually most of the features being hidden from us now will eventually be brought back by white hat programmers. The same programmers who have provided tools to get back the Start menu in Windows 8. So, as I said this is Microsoft just working harder than they need to.

    Agreed. I don't know why they are trying to "parent" us like we don't know what we are doing.  I know the majority of folks DON'T but sheesh, at least give us options to turn on "advanced" options or something instead of paying some vendor for the scripts to do all that stuff.  I hate hacking so I'll probably pony up a few bucks here and there like I did with Windows 8.  I think I spent roughly $25.00 total for the scripts that I have.. no biggie.... 

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    I do hope that I get some warning that the new Windows is ready to install rather than booting in and next thing you know I'm in reboot loop hell with the operation in progress.  THAT would be very very uncool to me! 

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited July 2015

    heres a link that you can use to block windows  updates and drivers you don't want. Microsoft released it today

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

    As for me  I'll wait until windows 12 comes out or the next best version wink or maybe retire from the modern world and become a hill Billy laugh Hey  I got rid of my smart phone because it was getting smarter than me ..lol who needs a computer you can't control ~ good luck with that..lol

    Post edited by Ivy on
  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096
    Ivy said:

    heres a link that you can use to block windows  updates and drivers you don't want. Microsoft released it today

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

    As for me  I'll wait until windows 12 comes out or the next best version wink or maybe retire from the modern world and become a hill Billy laugh Hey  I got rid of my smart phone because it was getting smarter than me ..lol who needs a computer you can't control ~ good luck with that..lol

    That's at least something. My dual-monitor setup being disabled was my only real concern, truth be told. Enough so that I'm still going to pay out for the upgrade to Pro if they hit me with Win10Home. That, and I'm keeping my Win8 install media against Win10 being more stupid than Win8. 

    WinBlows 8 is bloody obnoxious.

  • RorrKonnRorrKonn Posts: 509

    Us hill billys live well ;)

    Ivy said:

    heres a link that you can use to block windows  updates and drivers you don't want. Microsoft released it today

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

    As for me  I'll wait until windows 12 comes out or the next best version wink or maybe retire from the modern world and become a hill Billy laugh Hey  I got rid of my smart phone because it was getting smarter than me ..lol who needs a computer you can't control ~ good luck with that..lol

  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604
    Ivy said:

     

    Ivy said:

    heres a link that you can use to block windows  updates and drivers you don't want. Microsoft released it today

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

    As for me  I'll wait until windows 12 comes out or the next best version wink or maybe retire from the modern world and become a hill Billy laugh Hey  I got rid of my smart phone because it was getting smarter than me ..lol who needs a computer you can't control ~ good luck with that..lol

    Incredible that only now - less then 24 hours before the dawn of Ten Day, when millions of users will voluntarily relinquish control of their computers to the Microsoft Corporation forever, that they are actually doing something about a fundamental design flaw! Any fool could have told them that updating device drivers automatically is a huge risk for system stability!

    Ah well, stand by for a ringside seat at the largest public beta test in computing history!

  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604

    And then there's this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/28/microsoft_windows_10_whack_a_mole/

    At this rate, the 29th of July is going to be a lot of FUN!

  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604

    While I'm on the subject, this one is very technical, but is related to Windows 10 because it concerns a flaw in the Just In Time compiler for .Net 4.6 - which ships with Windows 10.

    It seems that under certain circumstances a method can receive different parameters to the ones that were passed to it, causing all manner of fun and games ... possibly.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/27/critical_bug_in_net_46/

     

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096
    acanthis said:

    While I'm on the subject, this one is very technical, but is related to Windows 10 because it concerns a flaw in the Just In Time compiler for .Net 4.6 - which ships with Windows 10.

    It seems that under certain circumstances a method can receive different parameters to the ones that were passed to it, causing all manner of fun and games ... possibly.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/27/critical_bug_in_net_46/

     

    How is that different from every version of WinBlows ever? The last version that was entirely stable at release was... None of the Above. 

  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604
    DarkSpartan said:
    acanthis said:

    While I'm on the subject, this one is very technical, but is related to Windows 10 because it concerns a flaw in the Just In Time compiler for .Net 4.6 - which ships with Windows 10.

    It seems that under certain circumstances a method can receive different parameters to the ones that were passed to it, causing all manner of fun and games ... possibly.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/27/critical_bug_in_net_46/

     

    How is that different from every version of WinBlows ever? The last version that was entirely stable at release was... None of the Above. 

    Very true, but what's different this time is the way that it's being rolled out. The fact that it's free, a click away, and a number that isn't 8, means that a lot of people are going to install this tomorrow without really thinking it through. Or maybe M$ are playing a very clever game and the OS that they've been releasing for testing is just a red herring and we'll all be surprised by the power, flexibility and stability of the "Best Windows Yet" wink

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096
    acanthis said:
    DarkSpartan said:
    acanthis said:

    While I'm on the subject, this one is very technical, but is related to Windows 10 because it concerns a flaw in the Just In Time compiler for .Net 4.6 - which ships with Windows 10.

    It seems that under certain circumstances a method can receive different parameters to the ones that were passed to it, causing all manner of fun and games ... possibly.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/27/critical_bug_in_net_46/

     

    How is that different from every version of WinBlows ever? The last version that was entirely stable at release was... None of the Above. 

    Very true, but what's different this time is the way that it's being rolled out. The fact that it's free, a click away, and a number that isn't 8, means that a lot of people are going to install this tomorrow without really thinking it through. Or maybe M$ are playing a very clever game and the OS that they've been releasing for testing is just a red herring and we'll all be surprised by the power, flexibility and stability of the "Best Windows Yet" wink

    I'll let you know on Friday cheeky

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096
    edited July 2015
    acanthis said:
    Ivy said:

     

    Ivy said:

    heres a link that you can use to block windows  updates and drivers you don't want. Microsoft released it today

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

    As for me  I'll wait until windows 12 comes out or the next best version wink or maybe retire from the modern world and become a hill Billy laugh Hey  I got rid of my smart phone because it was getting smarter than me ..lol who needs a computer you can't control ~ good luck with that..lol

    Incredible that only now - less then 24 hours before the dawn of Ten Day, when millions of users will voluntarily relinquish control of their computers to the Microsoft Corporation forever, that they are actually doing something about a fundamental design flaw! Any fool could have told them that updating device drivers automatically is a huge risk for system stability!

    Ah well, stand by for a ringside seat at the largest public beta test in computing history!

    I apologize-- I'd meant to quote this one, rather than the one on the JIT Compiler.

    No major OS I've ever run into has launched in the best shape ever. Especially not any version of WinBlows. Earlier versions of MacOS were plagued with bugs, some of which went un-fixed until the next major release. If I must give MicroShaft credit for just one thing, it's that major leaks get plugged almost as quickly as they're found. Some of the new CEO's ideas are a little... Out There, but I'm willing to give it a go as long as I can maintain control of essential functionality.

    As logn as I can still run the 3D, audio, and editing software I use to make content, do research on esoteric topics, and maybe watch the occasional YT video without having fits of apoplexy, then I'm fine.

    On the backside, if their new version bends Office 2010 over the nearest appliance and goes to town, I'm close enough to make my displeasure known immediately. Bad enough I have to beg for installers when whatever hard drives they're stored on decide it's time to die screaming and clicking.

    Post edited by DarkSpartan on
  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604
    DarkSpartan said:
    acanthis said:
    Ivy said:

     

    Ivy said:

    heres a link that you can use to block windows  updates and drivers you don't want. Microsoft released it today

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

    As for me  I'll wait until windows 12 comes out or the next best version wink or maybe retire from the modern world and become a hill Billy laugh Hey  I got rid of my smart phone because it was getting smarter than me ..lol who needs a computer you can't control ~ good luck with that..lol

    Incredible that only now - less then 24 hours before the dawn of Ten Day, when millions of users will voluntarily relinquish control of their computers to the Microsoft Corporation forever, that they are actually doing something about a fundamental design flaw! Any fool could have told them that updating device drivers automatically is a huge risk for system stability!

    Ah well, stand by for a ringside seat at the largest public beta test in computing history!

    I apologize-- I'd meant to quote this one, rather than the one on the JIT Compiler.

    No major OS I've ever run into has launched in the best shape ever. Especially not any version of WinBlows. Earlier versions of MacOS were plagued with bugs, some of which went un-fixed until the next major release. If I must give MicroShaft credit for just one thing, it's that major leaks get plugged almost as quickly as they're found. Some of the new CEO's ideas are a little... Out There, but I'm willing to give it a go as long as I can maintain control of essential functionality.

    As logn as I can still run the 3D, audio, and editing software I use to make content, do research on esoteric topics, and maybe watch the occasional YT video without having fits of apoplexy, then I'm fine.

    On the backside, if their new version bends Office 2010 over the nearest appliance and goes to town, I'm close enough to make my displeasure known immediately. Bad enough I have to beg for installers when whatever hard drives they're stored on decide it's time to die screaming and clicking.

    Good luck with that. Be sure to report back. smiley

    I do have an old Windows 7 laptop that has passed the compatibility check and is now proudly displaying the "Get Windows 10" icon; I reserved a copy, so I might just allow it to do its thing ... if only because I love cursing Microsoft so much and it will make my day if it completely screws up. wink

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,230

    I am worried that the technical preview will stop working as soon as Windows 10 comes out.  I do not have any way currently to go back to Windows 7 even though I have a valid serial number thingie

  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604
    Kulay Wolf said:

    I am worried that the technical preview will stop working as soon as Windows 10 comes out.  I do not have any way currently to go back to Windows 7 even though I have a valid serial number thingie

    Is this of any help?

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/how-to-upgrade-from-the-windows-10-insider-preview/3a482b9c-553d-47e0-b6a4-1916e70d9b3d 

    If I understand that correctly you should be able to download it as an update, if you have an activated copy of Windows 10 preview installed. That leads into the obvious question of what is an activated preview copy!

  • acanthisacanthis Posts: 604
    edited July 2015

    Alternatively, go here:

    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-recovery

    If you have a valid product key you should be able to download fresh installation media.

    [Edit: The idea being that you can reinstall Windows 7 and go from there]

    Post edited by acanthis on
  • nDelphinDelphi Posts: 1,916
    edited July 2015

    I have mentioned Macrium Reflect Free several times on these forums. This is your friend, provided you have the HDD space. You can make a mirror image of your partitions to another HDD, to an external HDD, for example, as I do. If something goes wrong, use these to restore your system completely. Not only that, but you can actually mount these mirrored partitions and browse them.

    Also, I should mention that Macrium Reflect is intelligent enough to copy only sectors that are in use and you can use compression making the final mirrored partition files a lot smaller than you might think.

    Post edited by nDelphi on
  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343
    acanthis said:
    Ivy said:

     

    Ivy said:

    heres a link that you can use to block windows  updates and drivers you don't want. Microsoft released it today

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

    As for me  I'll wait until windows 12 comes out or the next best version wink or maybe retire from the modern world and become a hill Billy laugh Hey  I got rid of my smart phone because it was getting smarter than me ..lol who needs a computer you can't control ~ good luck with that..lol

    Incredible that only now - less then 24 hours before the dawn of Ten Day, when millions of users will voluntarily relinquish control of their computers to the Microsoft Corporation forever, that they are actually doing something about a fundamental design flaw! Any fool could have told them that updating device drivers automatically is a huge risk for system stability!

    Ah well, stand by for a ringside seat at the largest public beta test in computing history!

    The most hilarious is that they can actually fix it in .............ta da...............an update! lmao cheeky

  • ToyenToyen Posts: 2,029

    Soon we´ll find out! So who will be updating to Windows 10 right away? I have 2 laptops here so I´ll first update the old one that I no longer use to see how Windows 10 is and depending on how it runs, I´ll then update the second one accordingly.

    I´m kinda excited though : )

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    I was under the impression that we, the end user would NOT be getting the upgrade right away, that these upgrades were to first go out to those that build computers to include in their new computer sales and then from there they would start putting the user upgrades out but not all at once..... can't remember where I read that but I did read it....

  • MEC4DMEC4D Posts: 5,249

    They have it already Richard, I saw already new computers with Windows 10 , the early people that subscribed will get it first then following the next wave 

    the same conversation was with win8 and for me was working just fine , you scared from Big brother ? the moment you connect to Internet your activity are monitored  with each page view and download .. you can't hide lol

    I am going to install it the moment I get it on my PC workstation and if happy about following installation my other laptops  .. can't wait for DirectX 12 to see the improvements , my titan babies are ready for the challenge laugh

    RAMWolff said:

    I was under the impression that we, the end user would NOT be getting the upgrade right away, that these upgrades were to first go out to those that build computers to include in their new computer sales and then from there they would start putting the user upgrades out but not all at once..... can't remember where I read that but I did read it....

  • DarkSpartanDarkSpartan Posts: 1,096

    I'll be updating immediately as well. At this point almost rather have WinBlows Microsoft Edsel or WinBlows Verboten than WinHate.

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