G3F / V7 characters - always with genital textures?
karlwikman
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Ok, I'll be frank; every once in a while I make images where Vicky needs genitals. G3F / V7 is by far the best figure yet in this regard, because the Pro version comes with ok geografted geometry in that region.
Now that new characters are available in the shop, by the very talented PA's here, I don't get enough info in the product descriptions; it says "1 default skin" is included, and that "43 texture, bump and specular maps" are included. Does this include maps for the V7 genitals or not? That's a deal-breaker for me, and I need to know before I buy. Will the policy be that all characters need to come with matching genital textures, or will this be up to the individual PA? In the latter case, can you please make sure that listing if there are or are not matching genital textures in the package is obligatory?
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I second that question and also I don't understand why this issue is so difficult. Nobody is asking for pictures of the textured genitals on the product page, but we just want to know if they are included. Honestly, how hard is that?
Since the G3F genitals require a separate texture and are not re-using the torso texture (like some G1/G2F grafts), it may not be included by default. So this is now very similar to how the male genitals always have been. If nothing specific is mentioned on the product page then I would be very careful with purchasing in your case.
Another option to figure out is to look at the product documentation and see if there is anything mentioned (e.g. by the product mentioning specific presets or files in the file list may be a giveaway). The documentation can be accessed by using the applicable SKU in the following URL:
http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/start
I know of two characters that as of now do not come with specific textures for the grafts.
Probably safe to say that if the product description does not say "Includes genital maps", then it likely doesnt.
No product description will ever likely include things that the product does not have.
True, but the genital texture is a little bit different to the "normal" things that a product doesn't have. For example, I wouldn't expect a character to include a pair of shoes unless it was stated, because a pair of shoes is not part of the character. otoh the genitals are a part of the character - even though DAZ would have us believe that the human body in its base form has no reproductive or waste disposal organs!
Anyway, that's just my view.
I sort of find it ridiculous that vendors should be allowed to release characters that aren't "finished", so to speak. Let's say that vendors who make new characters for the Minotaur for G2M were to make characters that had all the necessary textures except for the geografted tail, which was left at default. That would make no sense. Same with G3F and the genitals.
I mean, we are /so close/ now to finally getting a female model that will work out-of-the-box without a lot of fiddling with Photoshop or add-on scripts to try to adapt textures to the genital region. All that's needed now is a policy that all characters sold here for G3F should include textures/shaders for /all/ regions, not just "all minus one"... :)
I totally understand your points.
But many PA's will only supply for what is included in the base figure, because that is what is guaranteed to be had by all the customers of that figure.
Any set that is made that covers all the details of the base set IS a Complete character. It is complete for the full base character.
Including things for "add on" sets can cause confusion and complaints (have been there many times).
So the simplest solution is simply to state in the product descriptions what is actually included in the set.
I am with a few people in this thread, if it does not specifically say that textures are included (for an optional add-on) then I am assuming that those textures are not supplied. I'm not going to go crawling through file lists to check, just in case.
Where I do have problems is with things like the current new prop/environment 'Bank Vault' It states that '".. textured and adjusted for Iray render" and all promo images are done in Iray, yet we have a compatible software list of "DAZ Studio 4.8, DAZ Studio, Poser" and it contains a .pz3 scene file and .mc6 texture presets.
Understood, but as someone who has more than the "base" figure I am looking to be able to texture the whole figure when I buy a character set and the ability to do that influences my buying choices. Perhaps I'm the only one who feels that way; I don't know. Anyway, this is turning into a repetition of a very tiring subject that I think has been discussed ever since DAZ made the decision to charge a premium for anatomical correctness, disguised under the name "Pro Bundle". I guess it will never be resolved because ultimately it's all about profit.
So positively my last word on the subject: No genital texture. No sale.
Interesting one this. The V7 Pro Bundle comes with female genitalia for G3F, but, her base texture set doesn't come with a map for them and neither it would seem does the base texture for V7. I had a look through the M6 textures and all of the ones I have come with genital textures, even the base figures. I don't recall a V6 texture set ever having come with a genital texture, which rather defeats the object of there being female genitalia available.
Go figure....
CHEERS!
Hear, hear.
We who buy characters need to become more picky. That way, PAs will realize their sales could get a boost from providing just one more little texture with their characters :)
Hear, hear.
We who buy characters need to become more picky. That way, PAs will realize their sales could get a boost from providing just one more little texture with their characters :)
Has it ever occurred to you that some people may feel somewhat embarrassed about providing this sort of texture? Just wondered.
Some vendors may not be interested in releasing genitalia and that's okay with me. As long as it is clear what a person is getting based on description.
also remember that just because there are not textures for the geograft it does not mean that there are no textures on the figure itself, which with the use of HD morphs are still good for everything except extreme close up shots
Has it ever occurred to you that some people may feel somewhat embarrassed about providing this sort of texture? Just wondered.
Yes, the thought had occurred to me. However, I find it... prudish, I suppose is the word.
Then again, I'm an adult artist. Also, I've seen pictures of naked people on the internet, and become used to how we look without clothes. ;)
I think its okay if artists decide not to provide the genitals for their characters as long as it is stated that the character does not come with them.
But it really saddens me that if I want to have genitals for Daz Originals such as V7, I have to buy the Pro Bundle which is full of stuff I don´t want and will never use.
I wish genitals for daz figures were included in both bundles as well as the base figure.
If you want a fully anatomically correct figure without buying the Pro-Bundles then you can buy the required add-ons from the more specialised sites on the internet, Renderotica (I believe the TOS allows me to mention it but not link to it, if I'm wrong then, sorry) in particular has been more supportive of Genesis 2 & Daz Studio recently and already has some G3F items up for sale, intimate morph packs for want of a better description, but I'm sure the full geo-grafts will be along at some point as G2F & M options are available there.
You still need the correct textures but it is something to consider.
So you pay extra for the Pro Bundle that includes extra products you likely don't need, just to get the Female Genitalia that is listed, so you have a complete female body, and it doesn't come with the texture mats???!
So what are you supposed to do with this add-on that has no mats?
I, as many here are, am not a PA. How do you achieve a finished look to this add-on?
From the file lists it appears that the V7 pro Pack characters, FWSA Adaline, Summer, Victoria 7, all have genital maps.
I'm more curious to know if they're really full textures this time around. As it is, that other Rendo store whose name doesn't end in "osity" had multiple gen sets for G3F/V7 pretty much instantaneously.
You won't be struck by lightning if you write Renderotica, I promKABOOOOM
What do you mean by "full textures"? My first G3F-based render is using the Summer skin and the genitals includes diffuse, bump and specular maps.
As to DAZ listing if characters include the genitals or not on store pages -- given that DAZ treats the genitals as a necessary evil that they want to sweep under the rug, I doubt they'll ever list this front-and-center in store descriptions. Additionally, there are MANY things that should be listed about products and are not. So before buying ANYTHING, you should always check the documentation page's file list to see what all is actually included. With some basic (not rocket science) familiarity of the files and locations used by Studio, you can glean a lot about a product from the file list. Especially when it comes to lazy vendors that rely way too much on auto-transferred morphs, resulting in clothing with unrealistic breast cling and other stupidness.
I'm with the OP on this one. I try to avoid buying any character (male or female) that doesn't explicitly state that it comes with gen mats on the product page. It won't always be the case that I'll use those mats, but I consider any product that doesn't come with them as an option to be "incomplete". Its the same reason I wouldn't buy a character that didn't come with materials for the ears - its just not a finished product! I know that the base figure doesn't come with the gens and so a lot of PAs probably can't be bothered to provide that extra detail, but Daz does include the gens as standard in the pro bundles and as such I think that they should be catered for. Otherwise you're telling your most loyal and most profitable customers to take a hike.
People have mentioned a documentation page file list - how do we access this? Or are you just referring to the often misleading "What's Included and Features" list on the product page?
Personally I think a simple tick box on the product page would solve the problem: "Includes Gen Mats: " "Does Not Include Gen Mats: " ... I mean, how hard is that?!
I had to resort to using 'skinbuilder' to finally be able to get complete skins for g2f/g2m, as apparently most vendors seem to think genitals aren't part of the natural human body.
So I have to agree with the OP and the above statement by TL155180, we need this info included on the product details.
FWSA Bonnie HD for Victoria 7
The first figure on the market using the HD, which has nipples and NO genital maps judging from the product description.
Its a real shame as well, because FWSA Bonnie is just the kind of beautifully crafted character that might persuade me to make the leap up to V7 and I love Fred Winkler / Sabby characters... but not if theres no gens mats.
Perhaps they just forgot to list it? Fred Winkler and Sabby are usually very reliable when it comes to complete texture maps.
They generally make nice stuff, but if it is not listed I'm not buying it.
I'm totally with you on that. If its not mentioned, then we have to assume that its not included and just not buy it. Pity.
As stated by Richard, these three above and Carmilla have genital mats.
Adaline in particular has become a go-to for the body maps for me, it renders so beautifully.
Well that highlights the need for more clarity even more then. FWSA Adaline is a beautiful model, but it doesn't mention gens mats anywhere in the product description so I just assumed that it didn't have them! Its also a Fred Winkler / Sabby character, so does that mean that FWSA Bonnie is the same? We really need more detailed and more consistent product descriptions.
Could not agree more.