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By the fiel list FWSA Bonnie has genital textures.
Thanks for clearing that up Richard. Where can we see this file list? I'm probably missing the wood for the trees, but I can't find it for the life of me.
Good to know, Richard, but it's not stated on the product description... this needs to change.
It's a bit of a tramp - get the product ID from the store page, then click Help in the header, Documentation Centre, product readmes, find the right block of numbers (generally the last block for G3F products), find the product, scroll down to the file list link. Or just stick the product number into this URL http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/22192/file_list
Ha ha ha! Nice and simple then! Thats the Daz way!
. I guess a simple link from the product page to the appropriate file list would be making it too easy for us.
Just so I'm fully prepared... is there a giant rolling boulder trap I have to look out for as well?
Many thanks Richard - thats going to be very helpful indeed. Wish I'd found this out 6 months ago!
If you're on Windows you can use this (it's free) - it lists every product in the DAZ store (updated weekly) and you can view the product or doc page for any product with a single click.
http://taosoft.dk/software/prbr-daz/
Thank you for clearing that up, Richard. Another sale for Daz. You should get a commission.
I always go to docs.daz3d.com to see what's specifically included. Personally, I'm not picky on gen textures, but I am picky on knowing what morphs are included with clothing. So I'll check there.
Looking at the FWSA products, it appears gen textures ARE included:
- http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/22175/start
- http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/22192/start
EDIT: Didn't see page two before I replied. I'm just not used to the formatting of the new forums yet .....
Neither of the FWSA characters do; I've had a conversation or two about this issue myself.
Adaline does have, and has an additional texture to aide the eradication of seems.
BTW: a certain site catering to the more broad minded folks amongst us has a new genital morph available.
Looking thru FWSA Bonnie's files, looks like everything is thing. Everything is definitely there on Adaline as well.
I would think a PA's reputation and previous record with characters would count for a little more. The curious pity really seems to be people mad at Daz for offering new stuff. Go figure.
I think you've managed to completely miss the point people were making. No-one is mad at Daz for releasing new products; I don't know how you managed to come to that conclusion. We were voicing dissatisfaction with the inconsistencies in the information displayed on the product pages and whether certain texture maps are provided or not.
Take your point about PAs reputation, for instance. FWSA characters sometimes have gens mats, like Tempie for V6 (http://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-tempie-hd-for-victoria-6), and say so on the product page. Sometimes they have them but they don't mention them on the product page, like Adaline or Bonnie. While sometimes they don't have them and don't mention them on the product page, like Amalthea (http://www.daz3d.com/fwsa-amalthea-for-ninive-6).
Now, unless you know about the file lists in the documentation center in advance, which many of us didn't, how are you supposed to reconcile these inconsistencies from the product pages alone?
I hear a lot about including genital textures in the product descriptions, but has it occurred to anyone that DAZ may not want those mentions in the project pages-- but a link to the doc center would not go amiss for all products. The file list included would tell people exactly what was included.
That way when the helmet isn't included, there's not a need for disclaimers.
Edit: I submitted a feature request via the Help Center a few minutes ago asking that this feature be implemented. Because an informed customer is a happy customer. It also releases DAZ from any potential backlash from requiring the listing of genital textures (or genitals) on a public website where there's a chance of children stumbling across it.
Because some adults are like that.
The genitals and genital maps should be available for all the characters. Put them in a separate DIM files so folks that don't want to ever see them don't have to download them. Let the customer decide themselves... not make moral decisions for them.
People try and make moral decisions for others all the time. You just tried to make one for the vendors, in fact.
Making the genitals available with character bundles (as opposed to bases) has been stock-in-trade for DAZ since V4/M4, and I don't see it changing now. It was probably the best balance they could derive between the fundy Mormon neighbors and the customer's desire to have these things available. When I was a PA, any characters for which there was an official genital available that we wanted DAZ to buy had to have a texture for the genital.
I can't speak to that policy now, however, but from what I've seen, it hasn't changed.
My suggestion above is the best method I can think of to stave off any issues. The customer can determine what's there up front, and PAs that don't want to make those textures don't have to. Protecting DAZ's interest in not pissing off the neighbors is a side benefit.
Bear in mind that the "neighbors" DAZ 3D needs to appease are not the residents of Utah, but the residents of the Paypal offices.
DAZ tries very hard to be family friendly, which boils down to gential adverse. While I think that PAs should provide them, especially since they are suddenly changine a very old system without very much warning at all, I won't lose sleep over it. I can't remember the last time I needed a genital texture.
I have been making my own gen mats for genesis & g2f I start usually just with the torso map for the character I am working with and Photoshop the details for the genitals myself. Sometimes you may need to make it look wet and photosshoping your own texture maps gives me control over how much work I want to put into the details. with V4 the genitals I have are actual morph with a geo-graph inserts which I actually liked . because they functioned so well in animation. I have a demo of v4 gens in action on my web site. But i have never been able to duplicate the same effect with g2f or genesis.
The difference here, with Gen3 is that it's not the same UV from what people are saying. I'm quite happy with G2F right now, and G3 doesn't seem to offer anything really valuable to me.
It's not the same UVMap, unfortunately. But that doesn't stop someone from swiping the texture from the primary character and repainting.
Daz do not have anything against mentioning the gens in the product description - just take a look at all the pro bundles that have them and you'll see they've had no qualms about stating "Genesis 2 Female Genitalia" or "Genesis 3 Female Genitalia" in those descriptions in large bold font, which stands out a lot more than a PA writing "1x Genital Mats" in their materials list (which some thankfully do).
Its not a morality thing on Daz's part. It might be a morality thing on the part of the PA to choose not to make them in the first place sometimes, but Daz don't appear to be the ones preventing them from mentioning it on the product page.
I think all it boils down to is that sometimes PAs either forget to mention them in the description, or for some bizarre reason they choose not to (which is weird if you've spent time and effort on crafting them and Daz already advertise the morph so boldly). This goes back to consistency and that is Daz's territory - when you're running a store you need to have consistency in the way you market your products and in the way PAs market on your site. Lack of consistency leads to misled and angry customers.
It wouldn't be as simple as that. The seams are different on the main figure than they are on the geograft, so you'd have to 'sew up' the pieces yourself, which would inevitably lose a lot of detail. This is probably because the geograft has additional geometry as well,
Maybe the person whose skin they are photographing doesn't want that part done?
In the case of the recent release Bonnie, when a character is labeled 'young' repeatedly, I always wonder if they are meant to be a teen an thus have no gens.
Thats fine by me, no-one should be forced to make an inappropriate product or a product they don't want to make. Just so long as its made clear from the product description what we're getting if we were to purchase it (or not getting, in some cases). At the moment I see characters that don't mention any gens mats because they don't come with them (which is fine) and I see other characters that also don't mention any gens mats, but they actually do come with them. Its plain confusing. More consistent and standardized product descriptions would benefit everyone.
Like you said in an earlier post, "Some vendors may not be interested in releasing genitalia and that's okay with me. As long as it is clear what a person is getting based on description".
Uploading all the info can be very time consuming and things will always get missed
I don't think this has anything to do with Daz being prudish, or PayPal, or anything else, but merely reflects that very poor documentation of many of the products. It's been slowly getting worse for several years.
While there are notable exceptions, more and more products are coming from Daz without even a readme. As a general rule, if the product is something more than a routine MAT apply, it should really have something that describes, at the least, its basic use.
Daz operates a curated shop for vendor submissions. They accept or reject products based on quality guidelines, but for some reason, inadequate and incomplete documentation is no longer part of their QC. As a matter of course, evey product page should have a link to the file list/readme, as they do on "that shop that starts with an R."
Unfortunately for the character I'm working on right now, I don't actually own the genital mesh, so I can't look at it. If by some odd chance I can lay hands on it, I'm not sure if my resources have those included. Even if they did, I wouldn't be able to test it as yet.
So this one will most likely be delivered without, unless Kevin or some anon wandering around here is inclined to take pity.
Because honestly, that's the best reason I can think of that one might not include tex for them.
Almost all new releases have readmes. If you using DIM to install your products click on the "i" at the end of the line and it will take you directly to the readme. If your installing manually then you will need to look up the sku to get to the Readme. It can be looked up here. http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/start