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What's the use of a PRO bundle, if you have to fork out even more after buying the bundle to get the morphs?
Seriously, the morphs should at least be part of the pro bundle instead of the useless skimpwear. No, DAZ in it's infinite wisdom sees it fit to once again keep on going with selling what is needed to make a pro bundle work as separate items...
I am getting very tired of this marketing ploy and even though I am a Studio user, it will be a very long time before I will touch Genesis 3.
>:(
I haven't bought the morphs yet. Stripped for cash now. I do agree that pro bundles should have the essential items, or should be more of a mix-n-match affair.
Some of the content is consumer grade. I certainly would prefer to have at least the body morphs and expressions, in the pro pack.
This really resonated with me, so I thought I'd add to it. Keep in mind, that I represent a statistical sample size of one, and we all know what that's worth.
But, as a fellow "low end" user, (it's all about the bass, after all) I have often wondered how much longer Daz could keep up their strategy of releasing Barely Distinguishable Scantily Clad Females, month after month.....after month*. I suspect that they've reached the point of diminishing sales returns with this strategy. How many more possible variations can there be to justify Yet Another Female? When you're selling to the same folks, over and over, buyer's fatigue has to set in eventually. So, though it might be a calculated risk, what I suspect is that they *are* trying to broaden their market base, and it looks like they are trying to court the "pro market" -- whoever that is. So these changes in Vicky 7 are to appease that market segment. Not you and me.
I don't hold it against them. They're a business after all, trying to make a profit. If it's successful, maybe the can finally release Carrara 9, and it'll be a cost-effective yet kick *** direct head on competitor to Maya and Max and all the big boys. Maybe they'll start selling more cool buildings, and sci-fi sets, and just a more diverse portfolio of products, like some of their competitor marketplaces do. I wish them luck...in the hopes that this comes to pass. And if not, I'll just vote with my dollars!
*I like scantily clad females, honestly and truly, yet I can't continue to justify the endless purchase of them.
Actually no, I was not saying that the hobbyists are being discouraged. Why would they be!? DS and G3 are free, Iray is free, why would that discourage hobbyists!? What would is if Daz said that from the next builds onwards DS will be $399.99. They are not doing that, so I really fail to see why anyone should be discouraged.
The more I think about Genesis and Genesis2 they were forever being held back by being tethered to the conventions of the past. Genesis should have been what Genesis 3 is now, a clean break. But no, they had to pander to the conventions set out by Generation 4, the UV's, the textures, the morphs. When I look back on Genesis, all I spent most of the time doing was trying to make it look like Gen4. I had gone as far as I could with Morphs++ and yet there I was importing them into Genesis, thereby giving that the same limitations! With Genesis2 it's much the same, applying old textures to new figures. I was (and to an extent still am) doing things not because I had to, but because I could. I'll probably still do it for a bit as well, but, when I can afford more content I will definitely invest in Genesis3, not because I have to, but because I can! Hindsight is a great thing sometimes, but, spend too much time looking back and you might miss something that's ahead.
With Genesis 3 we can finally move on, free from being shackled to what went before. PA's are free to develop new things and not have to worry if it will work on the previous generation. You have to keep moving forwards to survive now. If you want to use Genesis and Genesis2 then do so, nobody is stopping you. However, if you want to spread your wings, now you have a chance to without being chained to the ground.
As an old song went: "Accentuate the positive.."
CHEERS!
Put the pro bundle in my cart and prepared to add a bunch more, then read Genesis 3 is not compatible with Carrara.
Emptied my cart. No sale here or in the near future. Take care of your customers Daz or lose them.
I have spent thousands here. If you don't want me to buy any more there are other stores and other programs.
Why release a new beta of Carrara and ignore compatibility with the latest figure?
That's the intermittent AoA SSS Shader issue - go to your temp folder, Windows default C:\Users\You\AppData\Roaming\DAZ3D\Studio 4\Tempt, and then in that go to Shaders\Brickyard and delete its contents, then try to render again.
Auto-adjustments will be made for those who bought before the discounts came in, no need to do anything.
Any knowledge on how we will see these automatic adjustments? Will the difference be returned to our purchase method..issued as store credit..etc? When should we see the adjustments by?
You should already see a store credit for the difference - do you?
You made two points here in defence of the marketing strategy. The first was to defend the Pro Bundles and the Gens therein. The second was the move towards the high end market; i.e. users of expensive 3D software. DAZ Studio is a loss leader - a giveaway to attract a loyal user-base to their content. G3F is a loss leader to attract those users to the new content for V7 and her future siblings.
But is the progress you speak of attractive to me as a hobbyist or to the Pro with her high end CG software? From the renders I have seen so far, there is little to justify me spending all that cash. But for a pro with a business and the ability to write-off such expenses, then it may well be attractive. It may will be compatible with their standards.
If it is really such a step forward, I'll buy into it when the price comes down. I'll stay one-step behind as usual. But I will not spend silly money on useless Pro Bundles just to get the gens. Someone will make a 3rd. Party set or they will FastGrab a Pro-Bundle at 80% discount (which is how I got the V6 gens).
Really not a fan of the dimples in so many of the expressions
Not very versatile :( what if one does not want a character with dimples?
Any way to turn the dimples off?`
Is it cute and everything but not very versatile :(
I like most of the expressions, but the happy/smile-open/smile-closed was waaay more versatile than just happy with dimples, or am I missing something?
Hrm. Is there any easy way to fit Genesis or previous outfits to G3F?
So far I like what I see of V7/G3 and I would definitely appreciate being able to pose expressions better. I can't afford to buy now is all.
My only real concern over this new release is another round of "Broken Base" - it took a long time for a lot of vendors whose work I appreciate and tend to buy to adopt G2 (and few of them outside of DAZ PAs, who I also support, ever went to G1). Yes for clothing there's always autofit but it doesn't always work well and for me Murphy's Law usually applies: it doesn't work well on the things I really want to use. And one only finds this out after buying-n-trying. And while I've spent more $ on 3D content then I care to think about (I'm not complaining here), it remains a hobby for me so I don't tend to go in and fiddle with rigging to modify/adjust things (I only just last week finally broke out the Hexagon I got years back when they were giving away the various programs in a special, to tweek some hair).
I have tended to be an early adopter but like many here I just got a ton of new G2/V6/M6 &tc; stuff and I was realizing how much I have bought and not yet even had time to use, and telling myself I shouldn't buy more till I at least do stuff with what I already got.
So I'll be sticking with G2 for awhile. I'm not mad at DAZ like some are; incremental improvement is how things work and there is never any "perfect time" for a release. I just hope the vendors/content creators will follow Slosh's lead: that we'll continue to get good content across both G2 & G3 going forward.
G2/V7 does look nice but I'm very picky about: surfaces (and suck at moding them to my satisfaction) and will probably only buy when I see clothing for her that is absolutely perfect (unlike others I'm not criticizing what has come out for G3/V7 though - it looks nice. It's just there is certain look my main characters "Must Have" for them to be, well, them).
Yes, either fit to G2F first and then fit to G3F using the G2F clone, or create additional clones for G3F. I have already discussed it in this thread:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/58108/
I was skeptical for G3F, mainly because of the lack of poser support. I tried the free mesh in DS and I'm impressed. The posing of the hands and feet is so natural and the face is a dream to work with. The new jaw movement and the elasticity of the face is spectacular.
I'll wait for poser support before I spend any money on her but overall, really impressed! Here's to hoping for a quick solution.
Hair, clothes, shoes and even pose from G2F with no adjustement. The long dress needed to be imported as is.
yeah autofit works from G2F.
So you can fit a Genesis or V4 item to G2F, then fit that item to G3F.
(not sure if that got answered)
I've decided that I quite like the improvements that have been incorporated into the G3 base model (although I still don't like her eyes) and don't mind buying her a few morphs and non-post-apocalyptic frocks from time to time. However, I am not one bit interested in V7, so G3 will just have to remain gen-less here - 99.99% of the stuff I need to do involves clothed figures anyway, and I've got other figures with the necessary equipment if required. If I have to do a render where G3s gens need to be given the same prominence as her beautifully bent shoulders etc, I imagine the British Contortionism Society will be paying handsomely enough for the gig for it to be worth further investment :)
Thank you Destiny, that fixed it. Now I can get started on the guides. :)
yeah autofit works from G2F.
So you can fit a Genesis or V4 item to G2F, then fit that item to G3F.
(not sure if that got answered)
I played around with G3F a little last night, and had some good results autofitting Genesis & Genesis 2 hair to the new figure. Nimue hair worked, but its morphs didn't do anything. The V5 Elite Ponytail, on the other hand, still had working morphs on G3F. I'll try to get a render posted this evening when I get home from work. So far, I'm liking the new figure. V7 will have to go into my wishlist for the present, but I'm buying the morph sets and Zev0's G3F pose products Friday. I figure for now, I'll get more use out of the morphs than one new shape, if I can't afford to buy them all right now, and I'd really like to use all the morphs I've accumulated..
Characters have morphs that dont work - genitals on Tatijana; no genital texture to use with the separate genitals, and it isn't easy to create them due to the huge difference it texture size for the area. Torso 4096x4096; genitals 2048x2048. Not seeing any templates either for the genitals so know exactly where they are from within the torso area
It's annoying, and possibly a killer.
Random V7 question... i really like the lingerie she's wearing in her main promos. What is it, where is it, and can we all have it?
Don't know, must be an upcoming release. They're releasing stuff on a day to day basis at the moment, so maybe we'll see it tomorrow....
CHEERS!
Just when i finally got the gen2 morphs bundle i thought i was set, all i had to do now is buy the clothing, Now i have to get the V4 pro bundle!!!!! Im already going to be broke and it is not payday. daz just keeps getting better and better with Victoria. my heart can't take much more..lol
I assume you mean the V7 pro bundle. Most of the V4 pro bundle was in the freebies a week or so ago. In any case your G2F stuff you just bought will work just as well today as it did yesterday, and you can step up to Genesis 3 anytime you wish, no need to buy anything now.
Personally I think G2F items will continue to be produced at least for a while yet for two reasons.
1) Lack of Poser support means that vendors that wish to support DAZ and Poser will likely stick to G2F, at least in the medium term.
2) Lack of decent merchant skin resources will keep some vendors with G2F since Genesis 3 can not use existing skins.
I think the big problem is that this essentially kills off all support for G2. No one's going to release that new set of armour for an older model now, or a new shader or a high Def skin texture. So what we have is pretty much all we're going to have now. It would have been nice if daz gave the community a bit more time to grow the product library before killing it off.
The one saving grace is that we will probably get G3 bundled with the program so we will still be able to use some of the new stuff, but we will still have to buy the face morphs and growing up and base skins etc etc, with a hefty initial outlay just to get the base figure working properly.
There are still a number of 3rd party sources for V4 items, plus V6 items at Renderosity.
Perhaps all is not lost yet.
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SHOOT!!! All the money we have spent on G1 & G2 and V6 and all this, its getting ridiculous!!! I feel we should be entitle to some of this for free!!! But i doubt others would agree. And I dang sure know DAZ would not agree!!! >:-(
My query yesterday is already nearly ten pages back and seems to have been lost in the rush. Is there an Iray skin converter for G3F (like the ones for G2F/G2M that used to be in the 4.8 beta content installer, but they're nowhere in sight in the 4.8 release Starter Essentials installers)? I’ve hunted in all the usual places, and I can’t find anything. Doesn't make much sense to release a whole shiny new figure generation without a MAT converter for the shiny new renderer.
Pretty sure somebody will make G3 clones for G2 or even G1 for those who wish to continue using G2 with new content. Meaning technically G2 will still be supported being able to use the latest products for G3. Also I don't think G2 content will come to a sudden halt if there is still a demand for it.