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Sure, but it's hard to believe that Daz would keep figure model tech on the shelf and unsold while waiting for parallel developments with hair and clothing. So, as with other transitions from generation to generation, some elements are going to be lagging behind. I saw nothing in yesterday's video to suggest that there have been significant improvements to clothing fit, which is disappointing. We'll see. I'd be glad to be proven wrong.
A dollar earned from selling us hair or clothes has the same value as a dollar earned from figures/characters. I'm sure Daz wants improvements to those as well, but the company is so uncommunicative (except for sales pitches), we can't know much about what is in the works.
But no, they're not going to wait for major advances in every area of Daz technology to release them all at once. Doesn't make any business sense to hold back advances in one area. Not much artistic sense, either.
This is great point to remember, Daz is comprised of many different departments who all work on different areas. Those areas all have radically different goals, restraints, etc.
News on other aspects, like DS 5, will be made when it's time to.. but silence/lack of big announcements doesn't mean one department is idle - I can assure you that every dept is going full tilt.
I got no money for a computer that suits the need for GPU/Vram that new figure will need. So however cool it might look, I won't work with her anyway. So I can just go on to spend my money for G3/8 figure stuff now and in the future.
My problems start when new stuff for the G9 hits the shop that is - as usual - not fully compatible with the previous generations. It will mean to look very closely what's mentioned about compatiblity and makes impulse shopping impossible. Which means I will spend probably a lot less here in DAZland.
I won't buy new figures for genesis 8.0 but will likely buy the outfits if anything is appealing, such as the cybernetic arms released today.
I won't buy characters though. I want to see whether I like g9 enough to start using that line exclusively.
Moral of the story: Humans complain. End of story. LOL
Looking at the two (G1 and G9) it looks to me that G1 started more on the male side of things and was expected to go all the way to female. I can see a problem with texture stretching, problems with clothing and what not in that scenario. G9 seems to have met in the middle - being neither female or male but a 50/50 mix of both. That starting point means that to travel to each gender is a shorter path than the previous G1. There is also the added benefit of UDIM mapping this time, which we did not have for G1. At least, that's my guess ;) Also, the difference between the mesh on G9 and G1 is worlds apart. G9 has a beautiful mesh...such lovely and mostly even quads...lol.
Well, some people just always want to have something to complain about lmao.
Personally Im sticking with my G8 content. I've put a lot of $$ into my products and so far, this G9/V9 doesn't really seem very appealing to me. Im very picky when it comes to my products to begin with. And the amount of time and money invested in G8 is also another thing for me. Covid and all this Russia / Ukraine war affected us hard. I don't have money to simply throw around like I used to.
Plus from what I've seen, the improvements etc don't seem that appealing to me so far. It's gonna take a lot of products that are of genuine interest to me, to cause me to want to actually move over to this. So for me, Im gonna simply smile and wave and enjoy G8 until there is content and so on that gives me real reason to move over. ^^
You guys should go watch the livestream video from yesterday, a lot of these questions were answered. Daz studio 5 is being worked on but don't expect it anytime soon. Three will still be several functionality updates to Daz Studio 4 before 5 is released.
Lots of talk about how we don't need 8k textures, cool not really a concern for me either, but the realism of the expressions is astounding, especially when you see them animated. and there just seems to be less uncanny valley all around. Three's always been something a little off about all the Genesis figures eyes for me, I'm not seeing that this time around.
There is no hurry... When the DS 4.21 and G9 Starter essentials are released, one gets the base character for free, usually with some clothing to keep them modest and a hair too.
People complain because they can. And sometimes it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil ;). A wise man once said "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time". LOL I take "complaining" for what it is: mostly just people voicing their concerns and disappointment about things.
No G8 High Heels for me!!
He complained that Victoria 9 is too expensive and not Genesis 9.
And Victoria 9 isn't free, for sure.
But if Victoria 9 is too expensive for the majority will DAZ soon see, once they released her.
I have no special opionon about that.
If my understanding is correct, G8 shoes will buckle during autofit, G8 conforming clothes will autofit the same as any other inter-generational item has in the past... but with dforce clothing, if the body size is the same and the default pose is the same, they should all work fine (I hope).
Expressions, intersex shaping, and huge textures seem to be the biggest selling points of G9.
No changes apparent to how body shape looks when bending, sitting etc, so there will still be a need for squish morphs, ultimate natural bend morphs, and hopefully even dforce Squishy Human body products.
Will I get V9? Probably, but I still want to know everything that will be in the bundle - far too much to spend on a mystery box IMO, so may end up getting her as a standalone rather than fashion items I simply don't like in the mystery bundle e.g. I do not like the hair that will be the freebie... Will G8 dforce hair work with G9? Will morphs on G8 conforming hair work on G9? If so, I already have good hair - but enough of the lootbox mystery crap - show us what you're wanting us to pay for.
Too heavily invested in G8 to stop. For ME, G9 doesn't jive with my style.. will look it over; but I'll be annoyed if I end up having to convert all my poses over to G9.. just saying.
This happens every time there is a new figure. It's understandable many of us find change difficult and add in the concern for many that they only have limited funds to spend it's not surprising.
I won't be rushing to use G9, heck I'm still mainly using G3F! I'll pick up the free bases, but probably not much more till this time next year.
What happens with regard to selling new G8 stuff in the store is interesting. Daz used to release a new base figure every couple of years - Genesis in 2011, G2 in 2013, G3 in 2015. Customers got used to the idea of ripping up their libraries and starting again, and Daz was happy to encourage that in their store.
But G8 in 2017 was quite a small change from G3, more like G3.1 in many ways. It's easy to convert most hair and clothing between the two by changing the pose and the scene identifier (instead of relying on the usually horrible autofit). G8.1 in 2021 was an even smaller change. So people have been building up their libraries of G8 and G8-adjacent content for seven years. PAs here and elsewhere have been generating content for the same period. That's one helluva barrier to upgrading unless the autofit capabilities of G9 are far superior to what we've seen in previous generations.
By the start of 2023, Daz will only be releasing G9 content. But other sites - Rendo for example - that don't have a vested interest is pushing the latest and greatest - will still be generating G8 stuff by the bucketful, and finding buyers for it too. It will be like V4 - a stable and widely used figure in the wider world long after she was superseded here.
Like I said, I still mainly use G3F (and often use G2M!) Later generations no doubt offer technical improvements, but not on a scale to make it worth abandoning a load of morphs and other products that I frequntly use, and paying a wad of cash for the privilege. I'm happy with what I've got, and even happier to see it's about to get cheaper!
I find the introduction of every new generation an opportunity to start clean and see what I can do with little. After a few years of the same generation, I have more morphs, skins, hairs, clothing, and accessories than I can remember ot use. It becomes overwhelming and creativity stifling. A fresh start is fun. The older stuff doesn't go away. Everything I had yesterday is still there to use tomorrow. I'm not losing any prior investment. I'm only gaining a new toy to play with. Just because my old doll's clothes don't fit my new doll, doesn't mean I don't want that new doll. When I got my first Barbie doll, she only had one black and white striped swimming suit and and a permanently sewn in black ponytail. I was thrilled beyond belief to get her. (OK, so I was 8 or 9 and my name was Barbie. Maybe that had something to do with it.
) Like all dolls before her, I gradually accumulated clothes and accessories for her. Christmas and birthdays always brought new Barbie doll clothes sewn by Grandma. I learned to sew and knit. I made her clothes. Now I have Marvelous Designer. I'm eager to try to make an avatar for Genesis 9 and see what I can do. Thanks, Daz, for the new doll.
That said, I'm in no hurry to preorder anything sight unseen. I'll play with G9 first.
PA stop producing products for older figures after a while because those don't sell enough anymore to be worth the time invested to create them since most of the user base has moved to the new figure, not because Daz pushes the latest figure.
V4 remained popular because that was the latest Daz figure natively compatible with Poser so producing content for her was still generating profit from the Poser user base who didn't really have a figure to move to.
Very true...I was wondering after reading this how long V4 was the main base? Anyone remember? Also there's nothing that says you only have to use one figure. I use a variety and pick what suits my need at the time. If I don't have the outfit for that figure but have it for another I convert it myself. I generally prefer to do fits manually as there's less distortion.
Well said...I made my own Barbie clothes from a young age and did the same for my daughter. She had the best barbie stuff. I recently gave away a large plastic tub full of barbies, clothing and furniture.
Despite having a lot of G8 figures and assets, I still gravitate to G3. For rendering, G3 and G8 require comparable resources, and they fit decently together, so it's no problem using G3 and G8 together within a scene. It seems like G9 might require slightly more resources, which means my options for rendering multiple G9 characters, or even combinations of G9 with G3 and G8 might be more limited. So, honestly, I might not invest in G9 at all, and just keep an eye out for new environments and vehicles. I really have a ton of G3 and G8 figures and assets, and don't expect too much to be released that I would feel a "need to have" for.
But, it's really something that each of us has to decide for him or her self. For people who just started and have a more than decent rig, I'd say go for it. G9 and all the new figures and assets that will come with it will allow you to set yourself apart a bit from those using older models and assets. Many people in the illustration business will probably feel they can't get around the improvements G9 seems to offer. For everybody else, I think G9 does seem to be a bigger improvement over G8.1 than G8 was over G3. But I can't look into your wallets, and don't know whether the improvements would be of use to you.
From memory Victoria 4.0 was released late 2006, and Genesis late 2011 or early 2012.
I'm not going to moan about her. I like the look of V9. But I'm in the same predicament when it comes to buying G8/8.1 content - It just doesn't seem worth it. Especially if auto-fitting to G9 is going to be "hit and miss".
Thanks Leana, so 6 years roughly...and many Poser users used her long after that so she was still having clothing built for a few years after that.
If I remember correctly, this store quickly abandoned V4 as soon as Genesis was released. By that I mean that few, if any, products were released for V4 after that. I didn't adopt Genesis right away (I never do with new generations) but I think I was still buying V4 items from another store at least a year later. So there were PAs making content for V4 for a long time (probably still possible to get new V4 items there as I believe a lot of Poser users still prefer V4).
So I am assuming that something similar will happen with G8: new content will be created and sold but not here in the DAZ store. After watching the launch video I really don't see anything compelling about G9 and I don't usually buy the core characters until they appear at some massive discount anyway. It will be interesting to see if I am tempted by any of the more imaginative G9 characters because that is what tempted me to switch from G3 to G8 eventually.
Many even here were released for both for at least 6 months if I remember correctly, that said I'm getting older all the time and the memory is the first thing to go. Many are switching to La Femme or Dawn but there is still a number that refuse to switch from what I've seen.