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What is funny about all this, most that still use g8f today and probably wont ever go to g9f, make their renders so realistic that most will still look better than g9f renders. At the end of the day, its not the model that makes the render, its how much work you put into it. Some artists I know are still on g2f and still make really good 3d renders with those, heck even g3f models. I mean I am not even sure if g9f is even worth it for me cause I am going to be in the process of converting all my stuff to blender and doing my renders in blender and I can use programs like substance 3d Painter and other programs to create high res textures that they are going to give with g9f. To me, this seems like a cash grab by Daz cause of how g8.1 wasnt that good of a seller and they missed the mark with it.
It's not a matter of being unable to use assets we own. I still use G3 figures and assets, but I'm not buying more G3 stuff, unless it's very, very deeply discounted.
G9 will be out in a few weeks and it looks interesting and promising and shiny. G8 will no longer be attracting the best and brightest PAs. It's a matter of no longer throwing more money at a soon-to-be-deprecated figure, and instead waiting to spend that same money on all the cool things PAs are working on for G9.
But at the end of the day, it is not the model that makes the artwork, its the time you put into it. I have seen MANY good renders of older models still being used today and many artists don't feel like ever upgrading to g8f or g9f til they REALLY think it is necessary. And saying PA's are going to give up on making g8f is just ridiculous. There are still many vendors on even Renderosity that still make Victoria 4 content, genesis/gen2/gen3, etc. If vendors know there is STILL a money maker on certain models, they will CONTINUE to make content for that said model.
True statements. On compatability.. G8 expressions don't work on G8.1 models. Looks like G8 poses woun't work on G9 models where G3 poses on G8 models got you in the ballpark. G8 clothes were scuffed on G9 models in the demo; but I believe DAZ will make it better. My concern is that the chain of compatibility G3 to G8 to G8.1 (except expressions) is breaking and expect G8/G8.1 to G9 (Except expressions and poses). If clothes are added to that list, it's a clean break. So while G8 and G8.1 will still work, purchased assets (expressions, poses, and maybe some clothes) are exclusive to whichever side of the dividing line you bought it in (without paying for a 3rd party converter). And that is a bummer.
It's all a matter of what one wants to spend money on. The most interesting developments in the Daz space will be on the G9 platform, and I won't be able to afford nostalgia.
And this is the reason why many have yet to even upgrade from gen 2 or gen 3: compatibility or conversions. I agree. When we went from gen 3 to gen 8, most were still compatible, but from gen 8 to 8.1, much of the morphs, characters, expressions, etc, wouldn't work and many are worried that is what is going to happen again with gen 9.
Some of the morph packages for G9 seem a bit pricey
. So unless I win the lottery I will be sticking with G8/8.1 for a while
DUDE almost 5 grand?! WTH. Yeah I don't see g9 content being made much for awhile til maybe that price goes down for merchants to make stuff for it.
I certainly do agree with this one. Mike 6 - and even Genesis 1 had nicer clothing than we've been getting the last couple years. Genesis 2 clothing was rather exceptional above all the others ;)
If you read the descriptions of those products it states they are meant for Daz Published Artists. Even then, it's possible those may not be the correct prices. Daz has added things as placeholders and put ridiculous prices on them in the past to keep ppl from buying them. This might be one of those scenarios (before people go off all half-cocked thinking the morphs are really going to cost that much for us hobbyists) ;)
I didn't think of that. Forget they sometimes do that.
Wow! I wonder if this is animation only or can produce stills? Lately I've been developing a visual novel with Daz characters, so stills work well enough. Even been toying with Live2d to do basic movements. Either way this is amazing!
May as well just wait for Gen 10 in a couple of years.
I have a rather beefy machine and I tried the Metahumans. They brought my poor compy to its knees. LOL
I think the real question should be is will you invest in G9. G9 may be an improvement for certain users, but in the end, we Render-Artists only care about the final image. G9 is no better than G8 for photorealism as far as I can tell from the promos. I don't care if G9 has shiny new nuts and bolts, I need renders of people that look real.
If G8 items drop in price, it may be a boon for those who are in no rush to upgrade.
I'd prefer Daz invest more energy into their products. The Santa Cluas suit is just one example of an item that is lacking and should be upgraded or replaced.
Victoria 9 is $10 more than Victoria 8 (but includes the HD add-on). Genesis 9 is, as usual, free.
I can't speak for other people, but if I said that I would mean that the features and demonstrated behaviour "looked" (seemed to be) great, it would not be a simple judgement of the prettiness of one or more images.
Dawn is a great figure if you're looking for something more homely and "average" to fill out the runtime. Not saying that as a slam, sometimes it's good to have a not-supermodel idealized human figure to fill up a scene or have a character based upon. It's a shame she all but died on the vine after a few months when big name PAs stopped supporting her for whatever the reasons, I thought and still think she's useful every now and then, even if I can't load her into Blender, which is where I do the bulk of my 3D reference set up nowadays. (No opinion on La Femme since me no gusta Poser and it doesn't even run on Mac anyways lmao. But I digress)
Anyhow, jumping a bit off of what Pendraia said, I do recall there being a lot of V4 product being released alongside Genesis stuff for a few months on Daz's storefront before it just tapered off entirely, barring a few multifigure items like hair. Unless things in the asset creation department are easier compared to Genesis -as I recall a big reason why non-Daz Exclusive PAs didn't support Genesis much if at all was because the unisex/androgynous mesh was really difficult to work with at the time-, I foresee G8 continuing to have life on other sites like Rendo, The Other Rendo for Adults, RenderHub, and smaller shops on Gumroad. I mean, heck, V4 still gets content released for her everyso often, don't underestimate the stubbornness of some creators as they get older. (I was 23 when I started my DS use and now I'm 35, go figure)
A few days later, I'm... still largely ambivalent to G9, but I'll likely pass on the whole generation outside of poses with a converter tool.
If the freebie coming from the youtube preview is an example, clothes made for G9 might not work perfectly when autofitted to G8, so "...still will work..." might of course mean "with the G8 stuff".
Sure, makes no sense to bring out a new generation when old generation stuff can easily be used without for example some "transfer from G8 to G9" and "transfer from G9 to G8" products.
In the right light you could probably make one character look like several different people, including changing the skin texture, hair, clothes.
Genesis 8 is 6 years old now and absolutely aging gracefully.
Why it's the most used and bought model overall for Daz. It was gen 3 there for awhile, but gen 8 I think has taken the crown for most content made and most content bought on DaZ/Renderosity/Renderotica and other sites that post daz content. Why gen 9 has to have LOTS of things people want in order for them to even think about purchasing (ie transfer ability for all gen 8 content to gen 9, vice versa, skin builder that is for gen 9, etc). I know my main selling point will be if I can reuse all my bought gen 8 characters and if they will have a skin builder 9.
It is aging gracefully, and really so are some of the generations before that. I use David 3 still and he's a character from Genesis 1. I love the clothes from Genesis 2 and use them whenever I can - they look better than a lot of clothes made today. If the characters of Genesis 9 look good and the clothing looks good, I'll use those too. I've used props that are nearly 15 years old that look great with updated textures and I continue to use them. Why limit yourself? It's not something one needs to invest in and I don't think anyone is going to care who's using G9 and who's using something earlier. Your older things aren't going to stop working (at least, I would hope not - who knows what DS5 will bring...lol). I think maybe people are wringing their hands over nothing. If it's support for G8 going away, I don't think anyone needs to worry about that for awhile. I'm sure there are projects going on right now for the G8's (doubt a PA is just going to drop something they've been working on for weeks just cause a new figure is coming) and does anyone remember how long products for G2 came out at Rendo after G3 was released? Quite awhile actually ;)
I think what people are trying to get at is, its not about limitation, but about money spent. I think most artists are getting tired of buying model updates and would rather have ONE model that does everything and never have to update again. Like when Hivewire came out with Dawn which was going to be their Flagship model and really has been there ever since. Genesis models at this point I think people are saying is Daz's cash mine and won't stop doing it til the money runs dry. Then and only then we will see a model that will be reused over and over without having to EVER upgrade again.
If you've wanted Daz to close it's doors, that's the FASTEST way to do it. How could they survive if they released one figure and NEVER upgraded it again? Would you want to be using the same figure 20 years from now? I sure wouldn't. Time doesn't stand still. Neither does 3D technology. There are always new things to include and consider and any company that refuses to budge on any of those things is doomed to failure. Maybe they don't update ENOUGH with each generation to suit some people. But at least they do update their figures. And at the price points they offer, frankly, I think we're spoiled and maybe just a teensy bit entitled. I'm guilty of it myself sometimes ;) There is nothing that says you have to buy the latest and greatest. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head. If Genesis 9 did not exist for awhile I'd be fine with what I'm using now. I AM fine with what I'm using now, but I'll use the new one too if it suits my needs ;). I don't HAVE to tho and that is the important thing.
Oh I'm not saying like stop making figures altogether, but they can easily just make one model and continue to upgrade it for people for free and it be updated everytime new technology comes out. Problem is Daz is free to use so they need to make money somehow to keep the software free and that is having people buy their new models which I understand and I know most hobbyist artists would stop using Daz if they had to start paying a sub or membership to use it. Would it make everything you get free then including new models? Yes, but that is the price you pay if you buy software. You get it all for free, but your still paying for it in a way through subscription/memberships. I think that is why most have come to terms with the whole genesis iterations coming out every how often. These are to pay the bills for daz studio.
Technically, they DO upgrade it for free. Genesis 9 IS free. It's only the characters and everything else that isn't. If you wanted to and had the tools, you could use just Genesis 9 and make your own clothes, your own morphs, hair, etc and never have to spend a dime. Technically ;). Of course, I'm playing devil's advocate here, but it doesn't make what I said any less true. LOL
That is totally fine. I'm actually agreeing with ya. I will probably see about getting gen 9 in the future, but at this moment, there really is no point for me at the moment.
You do realize Hivewire3d went out of business?
That's fair. A lot more fair than some who are grumbling I think just to grumble. LOL
Do I think they should have added more/other things to G9? Sure. If I wanna be honest, I would have rather had DS5 come out before G9, only so that we could do MORE with the newer figures sooner. But it is what it is. Because there's really no other game in town in this price range, I'll take it. LOL
You do realize that technically they didn't? Their storefront/standalone site is OOB, yes, but they are still making products over at Rendo (albeit at a glacial pace; Dawn 2 may as well be vaporware at this point).