Azeem HD - another great looking figure by Kooki99
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[Azeem HD - another great looking figure by Kooki99]...but again only for G8.1M and as it seems without materials for anatomical elements. Turns an "instant buy" into a "might buy in the not so near future, when the price hits the $ 2.99 range".
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I expect the PA will stop producing male figures if they can only get 50% of $2.99 for them ( some time in the future).
I noticed the figure was incomplete as well and had more or less the same reaction.
a choice comes with consequences
While I don't render that sort of art, DAZ's largest customer base in fact do
if they don't include textures for those body parts they cannot expect to get huge sales
I think part of the issue is some PAs are unable to get the anatomical elements textures & the torso texture resolutions to match properly, so they don't bother with making them for the gens. I was talking to a PA on Renderosity a while back, and nothing we tried would get the textures to go together properly. I'm not sure if its something with the skin resources being used in conjunction with the geograph or what, but there is that. Its basically an added headache for those who make characters to sell.
What WendyLuvsCatz said
Once the pants is on, whatever. I dont even attach the genitals.
Kooki99 is almost singlehandedly providing us---Spows' Baku and Goanna's Kaman being happy exceptions---with Daztopia's missing male character types. Hopefully, Daz will continue to underwrite this enterprise as a service to those of us who don't do nudes.
There are some figures where the anatomical bits don't have their own button... you load the anatomical textures when you load the figure textures. Kind of a pain, but at least those guys have their bits.
Of course, lacking anatomical textures is not an issue for me.
I would then use the Torso UV for dangly anatomical bits, free at the other site. It doesn't hold up for uber close up shots of the dangly parts, but who really wants that? (Not me... not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.)
If you do want close-up details, there are geoshell products for additional dangly bit details (to make up for the Torso texture having no separate set of surface details for the danglies). Genesis 8 only, I think, but clever people can deal with that easily.
Or, one may use third party dangly elements, which often (but not always) is a preferred choice for naughty dangly bit renders.
/Nature finds a way.
I have so many Kooki99 male characters now that I tried to put them all in a scene together and my computer can't handle it. LOL This is as far as I got ;)
who's the old guy in the back. That's one area I've been trying to fill up.
BTW I don't render nudes either, was only giving the reason he won't sell as well as he should
Oh, I fully admit to rendering nudes, unlike some people... (KIDDING)
I just can't share them here.
To me, lack of anatomical textures is a mere inconvenience. People have made solutions to that problem because they are resourceful when it comes to that sort of thing.
Bigger issues... weird nipples (color, shape, texture), painted-on pubic hair, excessive painted-on body hair, dark/significant under-boob and -butt creases.
These are generally issues that tasteful nude images would help solve for in the store (we ought to be able to see fully what we buy), but sadly, they are more concerned about payment systems impact of nudes than we are about money laundering issues with the other unmentionable products.
Well, if there would be materials for the anatomical elements I would gladly paid the $ 9.something which are asked for the product right now immediately.. now... today... not my fault then, when the PA goes broke I'd say
The option to use the torso textures for the dangly bits is a wee bit more trickier than just going "copy/paste" and - to my knowledge - needs a script, which, alas again to my knowledge, is only working with the G8M figures, not the G8.1M ones, due the texture zones gotten renamed on the figures...
For the same reason the G8M "3rd party dangly bits" don't work with G8.1M figures unless updated by their maker(s). Which not haven't all done, or only in form of a new product, which asks for a new money transfer...
And yes, it seems I am not clever enough to deal with this problem on my own...
Which is the reason why for me a G8.1M figure not coming with dangly bits textures makes it a "no buy" for me... independent from how great the figure looks and how much I would like to buy it if it was just a complete figure...
Okay, Ima stop work on my G81F figure for a minute and do a load of G81M and see if I can apply Michael 8.1's Body to the dangly bit.
Technically, it should be copy/paste. The anatomical dangly is the same between G8M and G81M... the same Genesis 8 Male prop.
G81M's UV is not that different. You're just missing a couple sections from the G8M maps. Copy/Paste should be all that's required unless the G81M Body remapping goes into the missing parts from G8M.
It looks like Cayman Studio's Torso UV doesn't work quite that well on G81. (The Torso (G8M) and body (G81M) align in the maps, but the G81M is missing the neck & other parts that are usually mapped out in G8M.)
The other one (SGSTorsoUV) works okay because the remapping uses a smaller area, I think. It doesn't look very good (I'd probably have to change the bump or normal settings at a minimum... or maybe it's the Detail channel)... but it maps fine. (EDIT: I'd probably drop Eroticalist's geoshell over top anyway...)
I think that's suGeorgeSu's "Genesis 8 Male Genitalia Torso UV" (I'd link, but there's an image of the prop.)
(And the other bit with Michael 8.1 is going from Uber to PBR on the Anatomical Elements prior to paste, of course.)
It's Richard HD for 8.1 male. :)
Agreed!! While i agree on the lack of gens textures beiing a deal breaker, to openly criticize a PAs product and state you will pick it up when it hits $2.99 is a huge slap in the face to the PA that put in the work.
Well, own more than half of those Kookie figures. Do nudes so characters without AE are somewhat incomplete to me although I have those other options from other vendors. Nevertheless I appreciate all vendors who go the extra mile or inches so to say.
Might get Azeem for being DAZO and < $10. It might take some time until a product gets down to $2.99 in current DAZ days.
If gens are really important, aren't there 3rd party anatomical elements geographs sold on other sites which have some kind of script included to match their textures to the character's torso skin? I remember seeing something like that on Renderotica a while back. I can't vouch for the quality of the products from that site, but that is one option.
The quality is usually pretty good IMO. I don't use males much, but the 3rd party female gens products works fairly well to where i don't even think about if a product comes with gens mats or not.
I've used the third party gens and personally I still prefer to have intact bases to use with them. Matching gens isn't always that great and not having the correct texture and using generic ones doesn't always produce great results.
The alternative being not buying them not at all, which might be considered even more of a slap, don't you think?
Then there's also the different point of view when talking about a product: for some it's "criticizing" and for others it's "feedback". If I would want to sell my work, getting to know the reasons why people don't want to buy it (or only at a way reduced price) would be valuable information for me... but I can see that people are all different, and so are opinions...
I don't see what's special about Kaman; he looks like a pretty typical Daz man to me.
Exactly the reason for my own restraint for using Meipe's "3rd party anatomical element" product... the textures for it's geoshell are of a kinda limited use.
Nonetheless as I got the above mentioned product (which got updated for G8.1M for free) I swallowed the toad and got me Azeem today - for the only 51% off for a new product... so Kooki99 will not have to go bankrupt because of me
I've bought maybe one or two of Kooki's in the past . The faces of them are great to mix into video game characters and for most day to day activities. I'm hesitant to buy too many though because of other users complaining about scene & character load times when one has too many DAZ Studio characters.
I like him, but Zhen is better, so I went with him ;)
I'm definitely not saying that he's bad, but I can't follow xyer's argument that he represents a "missing character type". And yes, Zhen is great, too.
I do as it is easier to get a believable look - otherwise the poor sod looks emasculated.
@AllenArt Great job! Thanks for posting. I bet Kooki99 would appreciate it.
@Gordig I guess Kaman's not that special, though I can't think of any other character that he resembles. I didn't want to leave him out of the conversation since he's newer, Goanna's one of my favourite artists, and I just got him. I like him because of his Eurasian handsomeness, which could be dialed, but variety is the spice of Genesis---to me.