Can Daz3d leave the Product page on the site even if the product itself is removed?
3DMinh
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Hi,
Recently I discovered that some product I purchased is removed from the store. Of course I can still access them in my product library, however the "Product Library" page on the website is horrible. The content there is not organized, the sort feature is extremely primitive. This is the same situation with the Daz Central or DIM. They are not meant for browsing, searching in your content library.
I usually use the store as the place where I browse my purchased content, by using the "Only show owned" checkbox (I think this feature is available with the Daz Deal Plugin). I can search, browse by category (genre) easily. In each product page I can find all the information as well as promo image in large size to get inspired, and I can quickly go to the DIM to download the content. It is simply the best way to browse content, even better than inside daz studio.
My question is, is there anyway I can access that product page, or have the same browsing experience after the product is removed from the store? I understand there will be a limitation to what Daz3d can do to a removed product, but maybe an upgrade product info page would be nice. Or maybe update Daz Central so it becomes a tool to browse content easily with category, genre info, and maybe one-click loading product in Daz Studio. That would be awesome.
Best regards,
Minh
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You could try this, it's free for up to 500 products:
https://taosoft.dk/software/pm-daz/
It will work with both DAZCentral and DIM (DAZ Install Manager) but I'll recommend using DIM as it's better integrated with the program.
Hi,
I tried it but I have a huge library, so I can't test if the removed product is actually listed. Can you confirm that this can be used for products that are removed from the store? I mean will the product page be retrieved for removed products? I'll buy it instantly if it can.
Thanks.
Best regards,
Minh
Hi,
I realized that your product might not be what I need. For example, all characters from Marcius are currently removed from the store. There is no way for me to browse them, besides manually looking through my Product Library one by one, until I find a character by him. I have more than 10k products, so this process is simply infeasible. Can you product offer a better way to achieve that? From what I tried so far, I still have to look for each product one by one.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
minh
showing unavailable and faded out like Renderosity does
If you let DS go online to get the emtadata for the products (or if you installed things through DIM/Daz Central and don't want to search things thata re not installed) the Products tab of Smart Content should help - most should, for example, be tagged with the PA name.
I was wondering the same thing. I used to keep a manual system for cataloging / annotating my purchases, but it was too much effort to keep it current.
I think for me the big problem is that the product pages are the only source for rich, detailed product information.The promo images usually show all the makeup options, nail color options, and the character or costume from different angles.Once the product disappears from the store, you're down to thumbnails and tip images, which are much more bare bones.
Speaking of barebones, the readme / documentation could supply the same info, but don't. Ideally, each product would include a PDF of the product page, or at least of copy and the promo images.The copy's already written and the promos rendered by the time the product goes live, so it's certainly doable, but more effort that vendors want to put in I guess. Or maybe they need to keep dowload size to a minimum? Either way it's not something you see a lot in Daz Land.
But anyway, that's what happens when you trust someone else with data you care about. If one day it's just gone, them's the breaks.
I take screenshots of the most important promo infos and pics right after buying and catalogue them in folders on my iPad. Everything's easily available this way, though it takes some work initially.
It also includes copies of the library pages, and this is for all your products, so you will always have the library page copy if there isn't a product page available. Upcoming features is the ability to create groups of products (e.g. vendor groups) as well as adding searchable tags and comments for each product. Will probably be in next version.
Some product pages can be found on Wayback, but I'm not sure if any of them include all the promos, this one doesn't:
https://web.archive.org/web/20201001082751mp_/https://www.daz3d.com/alpha-for-genesis-3-female
You can also find the whole Marcius catalog (or what it contained when it was captured) there:
https://web.archive.org/web/20200615022922if_/https://www.daz3d.com/marcius#index=128
(as soon as the page loads, shift to "All" view)
Hi,
Thanks for your reply. I thought of the wayback machine before, however the problem is that not all products are cached. Also the Daz Deal plugin is not available on the wayback website, so I can't use it to browse my owned content.
I'll keep an eye on your software though, I can see the potential.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
Minh
Yeah I agree, it's so simple to do this.
Thank you I didn't know this. It can be a work around, although it is far less information than the product page.
I couldn't agree more. Really hope Daz can keep the product page alive even when the product is removed.
Yeah this would be nice but I can't do it now, since I have so many products. Thanks for the tip though, maybe I'll do this in the future.
As a user of Taoz's software I can say that it is extremely useful for searching / browsing my content while not having to be constantly online.
I use it consistently, probably more than I use Smart Content or the DS browser.
Well, for what it's worth, the Documentation Center will always have the ReadMe's (if they exist, which is 99% of native DS products, and no small portion of Poser's). Yes, more of the older ones are incomplete WIP's than not, and often miss the description, but at least you do get a full-sized main promo. (The other promo images are often available, so, if you know how to change the URL, open the image in a new tab).
I have two reasons why I tend to find the Documentation Center not useful for browsing...
If you don't have the name or SKU number of the product, then its almost impossible to find a specific item. Say if I was looking for a "sword" or some prop that was inside a package.
Browsing through your own content is virtually impossible because of how deep the menu interface is. There is no way to see if you own the product in the Documentation Center so I need to first go to my Product Library. Locate the entry. Then navigate from that entry to the DC. Three / four levels deep at that point.
The only other way to navigate it is to click on the information icon in DIM. Which requires knowing at least part of the product name.(Since you can't search on any other field.)
Taoz's product allows me to page through my items quickly and locate what I am looking for. And it works offline, which is important to my workflow.
This is a valuable discussion. I'd like to add that if a product disappears you don't exactly get an e-mail. A bit confusing for the beginner who may be using the product listings as a kind of resource.
I agree with all the replies. If Daz3d is listening, better content database (more organizing tool, category, genre, tag and LARGE PROMOs etc) and letting them be available for users offline will benefit your customers, especially the ones that spent a lot :D (so they have a large library that needs organizing features).
But well, I think I'll spend less if I have the superpower to be completely aware of what I have in my library.
It would be good to get at least some notice if products disappear from your wishlist.
Especially when sometimes even items that weren't discontinued get mysteriously removed for some unfathomable reasons.
Other than that, I'm still here to buy old Poser content, so the DS database is not going to bring me much.
With me still being a paying customer.
I definitely agree 500% with that request. Besides the content library, I do not use in DS tools like categories, smart content, etc, mostly because they (obviously) require the product to be installed and I prefer to install assets only when I need them. This keeps my content cleaner and easier to use and DS runs much faster.
Whenever I buy anything, I enter it in a textual DB along with very detailed categories, a full description of the content, remarks, useful additional information or links to forum threads, etc, and of course, a link to the product page. This takes me a very long time, but, I really think that I largely regain this time thanks to the huge acceleration it gives in my workflow.
So, not being able to access the product description is a real pain. Accessing the readme is a lesser evil, but daz does nothing to facilitate this access. It is provided in the product page thanks to daz-deals, but is weirdly not accessible from the product library (that is the only remain if a product disappears) and the SKU is not even provided here. I finally discovered that I can find the sku in the adress of a page in the product library and I made a firefox macro to access the readme, but why, why, why is it so complicated? One has the feeling that daz is not really interested in customers once a product is bought.
As we are about complaints, why isn't the size (in bytes) of an asset indicated in the product page. It is a very useful information, most other sites give it and obviously it is in the daz DB (but you can only get it when the product is bought). And (we can dream), the number of polygons, also very useful for users with a low end PC.
I'm sad i can't see promos of removed produscts tha i ownd anymore.
God thanks, at least descriptions are included in product library.
If you use
site:docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index
as one of your search terms you should be able to find things without so much clutter from other sites.
You might also want to look at the things the Install Manager filtering can do http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/install_manager/referenceguide/interface/filter_field/advanced_filtering
I appreciate the feedback, but none of that really works for me...
The site command works very well for externally searching the forums. I do that all the time if I encounter an error or I am stumped by something. However it doesn't work so much for the Documentation Center... This method doesn't suffer from the "only in the product title" issue, but does suffer from "here are the products" which can't be cross referenced against what I actually own. So it turns into a guessing game.
Install Manager filtering also doesn't work because of how limited the search terms are; i.e. there is no way to search the most useful functions."Show me all products compatible with G8F,." "Show me all products made by Stonemason," "Show me all interiors / lights / shaders," as examples.
The irritating part is that the data does exist. If the data didn't exist, then the store wouldn't be able to sort products into categories. Why those categories don't filter down to DIM just baffles me.
Compounding this is that the product names are inconsistent. Example, if every G8F character included "G8F" in the product name, then they could be filtered that way. Instead some are "xxx for xxx 8" or just a first name with nothing to identify it.
The Advanced DIM filters don't do me much good because most require that the products be installed to be able to do a meaningful search on them. I have 16,000 products downloaded to my DIM. I currently have only 375 installed permenantly. Everything else I install as needed to a temporary directory. Its the only way I can make sense out of my content.
DIM filtering works on the packages, it doesn't care whether theya re installed or no. it can certainly filter by compatibility (and indeed if you install the default filters the option is pre-made for you) while in general the PA name will be one of the tags just checked and this is not correct.
What I meant was... For the DIM filters to be useful for me I have to use the "file::" command. That does required the product be installed.
Frankly, all the other default filters are useless. Filtering by "Generation" is horrible. I haven't done a scientific level look into it, but it misses everything that doesn't specifically call out the Generation abbreviation in the name (or some variation of it). Which is the same issues as the inconsistent naming of products.
Dates and SKUs are somewhat helpful to find a cut off point, but with so many products it only helps if I am looking for something and I have a vague idea of when it came out.
That leaves the last four default filters: Source, Status, Tag, and Type. These might be useful for other people, but totally useless to me. Type in particular since so many products are miscategorized.
Taoz, your software is very interesting for my purposes, and the fee is absolutely a good deal; the issue for me is that I mainly use Daz on Mac Os, even if I have a Win10 Virtual Machine version installed. Do you think you may ever create a MacOs version? I would prefere not having to go back-and-forth between MacOs and Windows to use it.
Not very likely under the current circumstances I'm afraid, but Microsoft is improving their cross-platform support constantly so I might consider it at some point in the future. I have a list of Mac users who have asked the same question, you can send me a PM if you want to be added, then you'll be informed if I should begin making DS related stuff for MacOs.
Note btw that if you run the program on Win10 Virtual Machine but DS on MacOs the integration with the DS product library probably won't work which means you can't use one of the IMO most useful features.