I guess it must be very difficult to make these distinctive female characters

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  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,806

    >>Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.<<

    I don't have a problem with that, and it's good to hear that there are still some healthy people out there. I have a problem with virtually every character looking like that.

    But like I said, that is the purpose of morph dials. I just don't understand why everyone apparently saw Blackhearted's "Girl Next Door", thought that really was what a "girl next door" looked like, and proceeded to basically model every single female character for the next 10 years after her.  ;)

    yes it certainly contradicts the people of Walmart image we see in Australia of America 

    in a good way

    And we don’t have any Wallmarts anywhere near us either. Lots of Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s though! (I live in West Hollywood/LA) The truth is most people came here to be actors or models, were not successful and now have regular jobs. I went to an urgent care place once that looked like a set of a soap opera. So clean, modern, trendy like a set designer created it, the doctor was a super hot hunk and the staff all looked like cover models. Most of the people in my building are either wannabe actor models or look like they could be. These people really do exist! 

    But You DO know that West Hollywood is not really the USofA, right? Because so many people working ordinary jobs now still want to be actors and therefor watch their looks... and are veggies, because all the great stars are veggies too and... and... and...

    Sorry, but I guess You're the "special snowflake"... and your experience with "Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know." is the exception, not the rule wink

     

    I did a quick look and my home state, California, ranks in the top four fittest states in the United States.  Perhaps, because I live near a college campus, I am just as likely to see someone who looks like Dain or CJ as I am to see someone like George....  High quality food is easy to get here, most people I know have at least a passing interest in staying fit, and it is warm enough in Northern California that people go outside every once in a while.  I do notice that people are taller than I remember, my niece (she is an athlete) is 5'11" and my nephew is 6'3" at age 15 (he is expected to top out at 6'5" or 6'6").

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,898
    edited August 2020

    Yeah, since this thread has really gone off a cliff, let me just say again; buy morph sets and you can make whatever you want. At least get all the official DAZ sets and everything you can afford from Zev0.   :)

    ..that's what I have done. 

    I've been dial spinning characters for years now, all the way back to the Gen4 days. I tend to value morph, shaping, and skin resources far more than a huge stable of characters, partly so because I am on a tight budget. . Yes it takes more time and patience but is worth it, I just recently managed to get a few of my major characters to the look the way I wanted them following a drive crash (18months ago) that took everything with it (still have many to go yet).

    Most of my writing takes place in an apocalyptic future, particularly the UK and Europe where there is quite a diversity of people and cyber/bio physical implants along with genetic/bio-sculpting are the norm the streets.(I even use some more "stylised" characters and morphs particularly for the latter).

    nemesis10 said:

    >>Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.<<

    I don't have a problem with that, and it's good to hear that there are still some healthy people out there. I have a problem with virtually every character looking like that.

    But like I said, that is the purpose of morph dials. I just don't understand why everyone apparently saw Blackhearted's "Girl Next Door", thought that really was what a "girl next door" looked like, and proceeded to basically model every single female character for the next 10 years after her.  ;)

    yes it certainly contradicts the people of Walmart image we see in Australia of America 

    in a good way

    And we don’t have any Wallmarts anywhere near us either. Lots of Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s though! (I live in West Hollywood/LA) The truth is most people came here to be actors or models, were not successful and now have regular jobs. I went to an urgent care place once that looked like a set of a soap opera. So clean, modern, trendy like a set designer created it, the doctor was a super hot hunk and the staff all looked like cover models. Most of the people in my building are either wannabe actor models or look like they could be. These people really do exist! 

    But You DO know that West Hollywood is not really the USofA, right? Because so many people working ordinary jobs now still want to be actors and therefor watch their looks... and are veggies, because all the great stars are veggies too and... and... and...

    Sorry, but I guess You're the "special snowflake"... and your experience with "Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know." is the exception, not the rule wink

     

    I did a quick look and my home state, California, ranks in the top four fittest states in the United States.  Perhaps, because I live near a college campus, I am just as likely to see someone who looks like Dain or CJ as I am to see someone like George....  High quality food is easy to get here, most people I know have at least a passing interest in staying fit, and it is warm enough in Northern California that people go outside every once in a while.  I do notice that people are taller than I remember, my niece (she is an athlete) is 5'11" and my nephew is 6'3" at age 15 (he is expected to top out at 6'5" or 6'6").

    ...having grown up and lived in Wisconsin (several locations), as well as New Orleans, Kansas City, Seattle & Olympia WA, and now Portland OR, I've seen quite an array of different health & fitness levels as well as body shapes.  Here in Portland, in spite of the emphasis on organic and vegetarian/vegan diet, and wholistic living, I see few who I could say would be a character I'd see in the Daz store. 

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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,313
    kyoto kid said:

    Yeah, since this thread has really gone off a cliff, let me just say again; buy morph sets and you can make whatever you want. At least get all the official DAZ sets and everything you can afford from Zev0.   :)

     

    Most of my writing takes place in an apocalyptic future, particularly the UK and Europe where there is quite a diversity of people and cyber/bio physical implants along with genetic/bio-sculpting are the norm the streets.(I even use some more "stylised" characters and morphs particularly for the latter).

    West Hollywood is a lot like that.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137

    Not really and really could we see something closer to real body shapes or at least less borderline anorexia in characters?

     

    Could not agree with this more. There's a reason every custom character is always shown with hair, 90% of them look scarier than a Josh Crockett creation without it. I haven't used a character preset as-is since the P4 Yamato days, and I don't know what the heck it is with almost every character in the store somehow being both toned and yet in desperate need of a hamburger, with many having eyes spread so far apart that you have to use an additional morph dial to get them back into place.

    To each his or her own of course and variety is always good - I just think we need a little more of it. That's what morph dials are for though.

    These kinds of comments drive me crazy. Where I live, people ARE slim and in shape because we eat healthy, organic fruits, vegetables, grains, many are vegan here, (I’m vegetarian and have no interest in eating a hamburger!) and people work out. Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.

    NO, they do not. I have no idea where you live and do not care but I've never seen any place where even a notable plurality of women were size 0 much less what ever the 2 super thin women in the OP would be, some kids sizes I'd guess?

    Wait read rest of thread, West LA? I lived in West LA. Did it change that much since the late 90's? Inglewood was majority Hispanic back then and I strongly doubt there are a lot of size 0's in that demographic.

    West Hollywood, not West LA. But West LA is where UCLA is and there are a LOT of attractive students so there’s that. West LA is also where the Hefner mansion was. LOTS of attractive people in West LA, but It’s not near Inglewood. I’m sorry, I have not been to Inglewood. I said my neighborhood. There are lots of actual celebrities around here too. 

    Hmmmm. I know it's been 25 years, expansion of space/time and all of that but West Hollywood was 10 miles from Inglewood. I went back and forth all the time. But still the plurality of women there are not size 0 and below. And that is still not healthy no matter what you think.

    But it is telling that you have been to UCLA, roughly the same distance away but not to Inglewood. How about Koreatown? That's even closer. Surely you are not going to claim every woman there is some size 0 k-pop girl? You have been there right? If you're unclear it's the other side of Hollywood.

    To be honest I tend to stay in my neighborhood. I never had a reason to go to Inglewood and I'm not sure exactly where it even is. Since I've been cooped up due to Covid, I've been reminiscing about fun times and going through photos. Here are some photos from parties I go to if you don't believe me about how people here do look like Daz models. (Some of these are Halloween)

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited August 2020
    nicstt said:

    I don't find them distinctive, other than Ensley; that character looks believeable from what I can tell.

    The others, one is an asian style character - somewhat stylised. The Crocodile Liu characters share traits, which I guess is to make them appealing to a certain demographic? Rarestone characters usually look excellent and I have a couple; this one is also slightly stylised, and for some reason I passed on it.

    I don't care for any of them. Too stylized, too niche. Ensley OTOH, is a work of art - IMHO, of course :)

    Laurie

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  • iSeeThisiSeeThis Posts: 559
    edited August 2020

    Yeah, since this thread has really gone off a cliff, let me just say again; buy morph sets and you can make whatever you want. At least get all the official DAZ sets and everything you can afford from Zev0.   :)

    My 2 cents, a character is an art of making a distinctive appearance. Morphing is a big part. Another equal big part is IMAGINATION. That alone includes everything from shaping to texturing. I guess this is what most PAs and people miss. This is why most of PAs fail. I want to tell PAs to ASK YOURSELF IF YOUR PROMO PAGE CAN CAPTURE YOUR OWN ATTENTION? Some PAs around here are very talented but lack of imagination. Some PAs around here just... well, let it finish and release another wait-for-1.99. Ashame. Those who say the 3 characters I mention in this thread are just another simple variation, hmmm, I smile for you. Don't ask what I'm thinking.

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  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    Not really and really could we see something closer to real body shapes or at least less borderline anorexia in characters?

     

    Could not agree with this more. There's a reason every custom character is always shown with hair, 90% of them look scarier than a Josh Crockett creation without it. I haven't used a character preset as-is since the P4 Yamato days, and I don't know what the heck it is with almost every character in the store somehow being both toned and yet in desperate need of a hamburger, with many having eyes spread so far apart that you have to use an additional morph dial to get them back into place.

    To each his or her own of course and variety is always good - I just think we need a little more of it. That's what morph dials are for though.

    These kinds of comments drive me crazy. Where I live, people ARE slim and in shape because we eat healthy, organic fruits, vegetables, grains, many are vegan here, (I’m vegetarian and have no interest in eating a hamburger!) and people work out. Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.

    NO, they do not. I have no idea where you live and do not care but I've never seen any place where even a notable plurality of women were size 0 much less what ever the 2 super thin women in the OP would be, some kids sizes I'd guess?

    Wait read rest of thread, West LA? I lived in West LA. Did it change that much since the late 90's? Inglewood was majority Hispanic back then and I strongly doubt there are a lot of size 0's in that demographic.

    West Hollywood, not West LA. But West LA is where UCLA is and there are a LOT of attractive students so there’s that. West LA is also where the Hefner mansion was. LOTS of attractive people in West LA, but It’s not near Inglewood. I’m sorry, I have not been to Inglewood. I said my neighborhood. There are lots of actual celebrities around here too. 

    Hmmmm. I know it's been 25 years, expansion of space/time and all of that but West Hollywood was 10 miles from Inglewood. I went back and forth all the time. But still the plurality of women there are not size 0 and below. And that is still not healthy no matter what you think.

    But it is telling that you have been to UCLA, roughly the same distance away but not to Inglewood. How about Koreatown? That's even closer. Surely you are not going to claim every woman there is some size 0 k-pop girl? You have been there right? If you're unclear it's the other side of Hollywood.

    To be honest I tend to stay in my neighborhood. I never had a reason to go to Inglewood and I'm not sure exactly where it even is. Since I've been cooped up due to Covid, I've been reminiscing about fun times and going through photos. Here are some photos from parties I go to if you don't believe me about how people here do look like Daz models. (Some of these are Halloween)

    Even if your anecdotes didn't actually prove my point there is that little adage that anecdotes aren't evidence.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137
    edited August 2020

    Not really and really could we see something closer to real body shapes or at least less borderline anorexia in characters?

     

    Could not agree with this more. There's a reason every custom character is always shown with hair, 90% of them look scarier than a Josh Crockett creation without it. I haven't used a character preset as-is since the P4 Yamato days, and I don't know what the heck it is with almost every character in the store somehow being both toned and yet in desperate need of a hamburger, with many having eyes spread so far apart that you have to use an additional morph dial to get them back into place.

    To each his or her own of course and variety is always good - I just think we need a little more of it. That's what morph dials are for though.

    These kinds of comments drive me crazy. Where I live, people ARE slim and in shape because we eat healthy, organic fruits, vegetables, grains, many are vegan here, (I’m vegetarian and have no interest in eating a hamburger!) and people work out. Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.

    NO, they do not. I have no idea where you live and do not care but I've never seen any place where even a notable plurality of women were size 0 much less what ever the 2 super thin women in the OP would be, some kids sizes I'd guess?

    Wait read rest of thread, West LA? I lived in West LA. Did it change that much since the late 90's? Inglewood was majority Hispanic back then and I strongly doubt there are a lot of size 0's in that demographic.

    West Hollywood, not West LA. But West LA is where UCLA is and there are a LOT of attractive students so there’s that. West LA is also where the Hefner mansion was. LOTS of attractive people in West LA, but It’s not near Inglewood. I’m sorry, I have not been to Inglewood. I said my neighborhood. There are lots of actual celebrities around here too. 

    Hmmmm. I know it's been 25 years, expansion of space/time and all of that but West Hollywood was 10 miles from Inglewood. I went back and forth all the time. But still the plurality of women there are not size 0 and below. And that is still not healthy no matter what you think.

    But it is telling that you have been to UCLA, roughly the same distance away but not to Inglewood. How about Koreatown? That's even closer. Surely you are not going to claim every woman there is some size 0 k-pop girl? You have been there right? If you're unclear it's the other side of Hollywood.

    To be honest I tend to stay in my neighborhood. I never had a reason to go to Inglewood and I'm not sure exactly where it even is. Since I've been cooped up due to Covid, I've been reminiscing about fun times and going through photos. Here are some photos from parties I go to if you don't believe me about how people here do look like Daz models. (Some of these are Halloween)

    Even if your anecdotes didn't actually prove my point there is that little adage that anecdotes aren't evidence.

    I'm not even sure what exactly you're trying to say. The truth is that there are people who look like Daz models all over the world. Many come to LA to try to become actors or models. They move to my neighborhood because, well, there's a lot to do here and it's where the Industry hangs out and parties. For every gorgeous model you see on the cover of a magazine, there are thousands who wanted to do that, came to LA, failed, and now are doing something else with their lives. This is a city of failed actors and models. And wannabe actors and models. And actual actors and models.

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited August 2020

    Not really and really could we see something closer to real body shapes or at least less borderline anorexia in characters?

     

    Could not agree with this more. There's a reason every custom character is always shown with hair, 90% of them look scarier than a Josh Crockett creation without it. I haven't used a character preset as-is since the P4 Yamato days, and I don't know what the heck it is with almost every character in the store somehow being both toned and yet in desperate need of a hamburger, with many having eyes spread so far apart that you have to use an additional morph dial to get them back into place.

    To each his or her own of course and variety is always good - I just think we need a little more of it. That's what morph dials are for though.

    These kinds of comments drive me crazy. Where I live, people ARE slim and in shape because we eat healthy, organic fruits, vegetables, grains, many are vegan here, (I’m vegetarian and have no interest in eating a hamburger!) and people work out. Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.

    NO, they do not. I have no idea where you live and do not care but I've never seen any place where even a notable plurality of women were size 0 much less what ever the 2 super thin women in the OP would be, some kids sizes I'd guess?

    Wait read rest of thread, West LA? I lived in West LA. Did it change that much since the late 90's? Inglewood was majority Hispanic back then and I strongly doubt there are a lot of size 0's in that demographic.

    West Hollywood, not West LA. But West LA is where UCLA is and there are a LOT of attractive students so there’s that. West LA is also where the Hefner mansion was. LOTS of attractive people in West LA, but It’s not near Inglewood. I’m sorry, I have not been to Inglewood. I said my neighborhood. There are lots of actual celebrities around here too. 

    Hmmmm. I know it's been 25 years, expansion of space/time and all of that but West Hollywood was 10 miles from Inglewood. I went back and forth all the time. But still the plurality of women there are not size 0 and below. And that is still not healthy no matter what you think.

    But it is telling that you have been to UCLA, roughly the same distance away but not to Inglewood. How about Koreatown? That's even closer. Surely you are not going to claim every woman there is some size 0 k-pop girl? You have been there right? If you're unclear it's the other side of Hollywood.

    To be honest I tend to stay in my neighborhood. I never had a reason to go to Inglewood and I'm not sure exactly where it even is. Since I've been cooped up due to Covid, I've been reminiscing about fun times and going through photos. Here are some photos from parties I go to if you don't believe me about how people here do look like Daz models. (Some of these are Halloween)

    Even if your anecdotes didn't actually prove my point there is that little adage that anecdotes aren't evidence.

    I'm not even sure what exactly you're trying to say. The truth is that there are people who look like Daz models all over the world. Many come to LA to try to become actors or models. They move to my neighborhood because, well, there's a lot to do here and it's where the Industry hangs out and parties. For every gorgeous model you see on the cover of a magazine, there are thousands who wanted to do that, came to LA, failed, and now are doing something else with their lives. This is a city of failed actors and models. And wannabe actors and models. And actual actors and models.

    The operative phrase being "actors and models". Maybe kenshaw is saying that Hollywood isn't exactly a representative slice of average America (or any other place) because of the overriding, uh, industry of the area. Go outside of your very isolated and specialized area and you start to see a more varied population ;). Personally, I'd rather roll my own characters but then I'm not everybody ;).

    Laurie

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  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 2,228

    I think we should all agree that everyone in this forum is a skinny half white Asian Black girl with an ultra HD smile and very realistic feet.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    Not really and really could we see something closer to real body shapes or at least less borderline anorexia in characters?

     

    Could not agree with this more. There's a reason every custom character is always shown with hair, 90% of them look scarier than a Josh Crockett creation without it. I haven't used a character preset as-is since the P4 Yamato days, and I don't know what the heck it is with almost every character in the store somehow being both toned and yet in desperate need of a hamburger, with many having eyes spread so far apart that you have to use an additional morph dial to get them back into place.

    To each his or her own of course and variety is always good - I just think we need a little more of it. That's what morph dials are for though.

    These kinds of comments drive me crazy. Where I live, people ARE slim and in shape because we eat healthy, organic fruits, vegetables, grains, many are vegan here, (I’m vegetarian and have no interest in eating a hamburger!) and people work out. Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.

    NO, they do not. I have no idea where you live and do not care but I've never seen any place where even a notable plurality of women were size 0 much less what ever the 2 super thin women in the OP would be, some kids sizes I'd guess?

    Wait read rest of thread, West LA? I lived in West LA. Did it change that much since the late 90's? Inglewood was majority Hispanic back then and I strongly doubt there are a lot of size 0's in that demographic.

    West Hollywood, not West LA. But West LA is where UCLA is and there are a LOT of attractive students so there’s that. West LA is also where the Hefner mansion was. LOTS of attractive people in West LA, but It’s not near Inglewood. I’m sorry, I have not been to Inglewood. I said my neighborhood. There are lots of actual celebrities around here too. 

    Hmmmm. I know it's been 25 years, expansion of space/time and all of that but West Hollywood was 10 miles from Inglewood. I went back and forth all the time. But still the plurality of women there are not size 0 and below. And that is still not healthy no matter what you think.

    But it is telling that you have been to UCLA, roughly the same distance away but not to Inglewood. How about Koreatown? That's even closer. Surely you are not going to claim every woman there is some size 0 k-pop girl? You have been there right? If you're unclear it's the other side of Hollywood.

    To be honest I tend to stay in my neighborhood. I never had a reason to go to Inglewood and I'm not sure exactly where it even is. Since I've been cooped up due to Covid, I've been reminiscing about fun times and going through photos. Here are some photos from parties I go to if you don't believe me about how people here do look like Daz models. (Some of these are Halloween)

    Even if your anecdotes didn't actually prove my point there is that little adage that anecdotes aren't evidence.

    I'm not even sure what exactly you're trying to say. The truth is that there are people who look like Daz models all over the world. Many come to LA to try to become actors or models. They move to my neighborhood because, well, there's a lot to do here and it's where the Industry hangs out and parties. For every gorgeous model you see on the cover of a magazine, there are thousands who wanted to do that, came to LA, failed, and now are doing something else with their lives. This is a city of failed actors and models. And wannabe actors and models. And actual actors and models.

    I'm saying that your own pics show that you are wrong.

    In reality LA is a city of tradesmen, techs, etc. etc. 

    For every person in front of the camera, and every person who wants to be in front of the camera, who has the stereotypical body type there are dozens of others in LA in and outside the entertainment industry. I suggest you watch the end credits of a movie some time, all the end credits. You might have a couple of dozen actors in a movie. That same movie could have hundreds of on set tradesmen, camera operators, grips, sound guys directors and so on. Plus dozens more people like I was who never set foot on set. 

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    This thread is being closed as it is, in the main, addressing individual posters rather than the actual topic of the thread and the discussion is becoming tautological.

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