I guess it must be very difficult to make these distinctive female characters
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The day Gou Luk Bundle released, I watched the Trending Now list guessing it would reach #1 bestseller in a few hours and stay long. It did happen. I was right. So what I want can represent the desire of most people around here.
The same quality, if not better, like Ruo Xi and Ensley HD & Expressions HD (and a lot more) are also known-to-be-bestseller at first glance.
They are extremely distinctive that can arouse any buyers here to click purchase button immediately. You feel clearly that it bypass any kind of consideration. Click before you think.
That's not a surprise. We come to DAZ store for that and never enough for unlimited reasons. But a surprise is, there are just a few of them. I am not a creator. Far away from being a PA. But I watched a YouTube video a couple of days ago. Some who make living by this business say that YOU HAVE TO BE VERY GOOD TO MAKE A LIVING BY BEING A MODELER. (sort of that. can't remember exact wording)
I assume that someone who can create Gou Luk, Ruo Xi and Ensley do understand many things most modelers don't. I've learnt some basic modeling and understand one thing, you have to hold enough passion to devote a big piece, if not all, of your life into it. Okay. Just want to congrat to those who have found what your lives are for!
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See, I think we have different standards and requirements. A lot of characters have the same skin, same eyes, or extremely similar shapes, and I don't want to get the same things over and over. So I wouldn't particularly agree with the assement of first glance best sellers. A lot of those look like things I already have.
I look more for things that are unique, different. You call distinctive. I prefer different.
Apparently the market is fond of asian girls, asian hair styles, and asian poses. There's a TON of it. Popular, I guess. Probably will keep on being popular. But I look for different. If everyone made a GouLuk, we'd be out of luck. ;)
I admit having two of those figures you mentioned in my wishlist. But "purchase immediately" is triggered for me not by a pretty face.. there's tons of those. But yeah, the masses of people doing renders with DAZ seem to be easily attracted by some pretty girls. Especially certain types, which easily can be seen by some PA reproducing the same kind of figure with only slight differences over and over again and still getting good sale numbers.
So what? Does that mean that that PA is a great artist? Or that he just found the way to sell his stuff by doing things that the masses like to buy?
For me, "people buy lots of it" is no prove of something being considered as Art.. People buy lots of fast foot, but it's not considered great cuisine...
Fastfood is sometimes considered art...
One of those isn't human which is fine but it should be so labeled.
Two of the three are way too thin and that takes them out of any chance I'll ever buy them.
I'm glad the op got things that made him happy but to say those are distinctive? Not really and really could we see something closer to real body shapes or at least less borderline anorexia in characters?
The real world is also fond of Asian girls. There are a TON of them!
Daz has customers from all over the world, including Asia. A lot of them don't use these English-only forums because, well, it's not their language. I wonder if Asians talk on their forums about there being so many European models?
WRT these specific models, it's worth noting that the PAs include more than just the model, like clothing, expressions and with Einsley, the foot displacement map that can be used with other characters. They're more than just pretty faces.
I don't find them distinctive, other than Ensley; that character looks believeable from what I can tell.
The others, one is an asian style character - somewhat stylised. The Crocodile Liu characters share traits, which I guess is to make them appealing to a certain demographic? Rarestone characters usually look excellent and I have a couple; this one is also slightly stylised, and for some reason I passed on it.
I got Gou Luk because the character while nice on her own dials quite nicely and the clothes have great cuts and lots of great material options
And shader sets are so good on them!
Comes with a comfortable pair of tennis shoes and the heels are nice too and they both have glowy options
There's a tanktop and workout pants and a black dress
The pieces also combine quite nicely with clothes from other sets too
I don't have the others mentioned but will eventually get them
I hear you...
I guess that is why I was so enamoured with Hagar when she recently came out. She is atypical of what we would normally expect, yet has a very real "we bumped into each other in the waiting room while taking our kids to piano lessons" kind of realism.
I have a ton of models/morphs (as I am sure we all do here) and my load times were a mess because of it. The only way out for me was to delete some of the figures/morph packages... Anyway, I was amazed at how many times I had been hoodwinked into buying the same model over and over again... just with a different name and slightly different skin tone. I won't name names, but there are some PAs that have over 50 models of basically 5 different characters. Heh... I guess I have a type!...
anyway, I paired it down to make DS load in a manageable amount of time, but at the end of the day, the result was that it really SLOWED DOWN my character purchasing (sorry DS)..
A new character really has to be somehting not already in my toolbox now to make me pull the trigger.... I am constantly thinking... "wow, Character "new" really looks great... but maybe they are just XYZ character that I already have with some tweaking".
Getting back to your orgininal point... Hagar mashed my buttons so I got her... and she was the first product of a brand new PA... I don't think one character is enough to make a living off of, but if a PA can keep their finger on the pulse of current trends and produce quality work, they should always have customers.
I'm sorry, what exactly are you trying to say?
For what it's worth, I love Rarestone's characters although Gou Luk would not be my pick... I have Minami and Sakura. There are several more really nice ones (Pei, Grace, Hann Mei, Miya) but it feels like I might be able to dial-spin them myself, using Minami as the base. "Distinctive" is not the word I'd use, although together as a group they're quite distinctively Rarestonian. (Rarestony? Rarestoned?)
Liu's characters are usually not to my personal taste... they're nice but they don't capture me the way some of Rarestone and Hamster's characters do. I do appreciate some of Liu's non-character work, though.
BlueJaunte's characters are also not for me personally, but it's obvious that a lot of work and artistry went into them.
This thread is just to help promote the three characters. Words are nothing actually.
It might have helped if you didn't start with "what I want can represent the desire of most people around here". Then the examples you posted suggest that "the desire of most people" is lighter skin, and preferably Asian physical features. Anybody in these forums who has darker skin or not-so-Asian features might perceive that as a bit of racism and an insult. Words are something actually.
I actually don't see anything distinctive about them at all.
Yes they are pretty, there are a lot of pretty faces in the DAZ store, Mrs Chow on the other hand I call distinctive.
personal taste of the OP is all this thread is.
Yeah, just personal taste I think. I personally am a Mousso addict. His/Her (?) characters are the only ones that jump into my cart. Everyone defines beauty differently and some people prefer not to have beautiful characters at all. Mousso’s characters, especially with Linday hair fit my personal aesthetic the most and I have no idea how Mousso can create such amazing characters so quickly! Although the promos are similar, the characters themselves are distinctive and I use them a lot to mix with other morphs but they are all amazing right out of the box!
Also this character by Cherubit https://www.daz3d.com/rose-hd-and-expressions-for-genesis-8-female recently caught my eye, just gorgeous! Debating wether to wait till a better sale or not. I’ll probably break down and get it because it triggers other sales...
Could not agree with this more. There's a reason every custom character is always shown with hair, 90% of them look scarier than a Josh Crockett creation without it. I haven't used a character preset as-is since the P4 Yamato days, and I don't know what the heck it is with almost every character in the store somehow being both toned and yet in desperate need of a hamburger, with many having eyes spread so far apart that you have to use an additional morph dial to get them back into place.
To each his or her own of course and variety is always good - I just think we need a little more of it. That's what morph dials are for though.
These kinds of comments drive me crazy. Where I live, people ARE slim and in shape because we eat healthy, organic fruits, vegetables, grains, many are vegan here, (I’m vegetarian and have no interest in eating a hamburger!) and people work out. Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.
and I am just the complete opposite in both personal appearance, lifestyle and that of my neighbours
nice to know you guys actually exist though
Oh ok... cool!
That was an awkward opening post which is why you're getting some argumentative-ish responses, I think... I certainly was a bit confused. But promoting DAZ products we're enthusiastic about is actually a pretty common thing to do 'round here.
Why don't you post some renders with your new purchases when you get to it?
>>Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know.<<
I don't have a problem with that, and it's good to hear that there are still some healthy people out there. I have a problem with virtually every character looking like that.
But like I said, that is the purpose of morph dials. I just don't understand why everyone apparently saw Blackhearted's "Girl Next Door", thought that really was what a "girl next door" looked like, and proceeded to basically model every single female character for the next 10 years after her. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLNAkPsjAEk
yes it certainly contradicts the people of Walmart image we see in Australia of America
in a good way
And we don’t have any Wallmarts anywhere near us either. Lots of Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s though! (I live in West Hollywood/LA) The truth is most people came here to be actors or models, were not successful and now have regular jobs. I went to an urgent care place once that looked like a set of a soap opera. So clean, modern, trendy like a set designer created it, the doctor was a super hot hunk and the staff all looked like cover models. Most of the people in my building are either wannabe actor models or look like they could be. These people really do exist!
Well since this thread has obviously gone off a cliff, here's the zombie car. I was working on a picture that had people with the car and I left the computer going all night, only to find it was set to stop rendering after two hours and ended way too grainy. I did that twice before realizing the DAZ settings are the problem. I shall see what I end up with about five hours from now when maybe it's done.
NO, they do not. I have no idea where you live and do not care but I've never seen any place where even a notable plurality of women were size 0 much less what ever the 2 super thin women in the OP would be, some kids sizes I'd guess?
Wait read rest of thread, West LA? I lived in West LA. Did it change that much since the late 90's? Inglewood was majority Hispanic back then and I strongly doubt there are a lot of size 0's in that demographic.
Just on the off chance that you don't know this, you can set max time to 0 to disable that parameter.
West Hollywood, not West LA. But West LA is where UCLA is and there are a LOT of attractive students so there’s that. West LA is also where the Hefner mansion was. LOTS of attractive people in West LA, but It’s not near Inglewood. I’m sorry, I have not been to Inglewood. I said my neighborhood. There are lots of actual celebrities around here too.
But You DO know that West Hollywood is not really the USofA, right? Because so many people working ordinary jobs now still want to be actors and therefor watch their looks... and are veggies, because all the great stars are veggies too and... and... and...
Sorry, but I guess You're the "special snowflake"... and your experience with "Daz characters look just like the people in my neighborhood and everyone I know." is the exception, not the rule
most zombies are size 0
the desiccated bodies and all
Yeah, since this thread has really gone off a cliff, let me just say again; buy morph sets and you can make whatever you want. At least get all the official DAZ sets and everything you can afford from Zev0. :)
Hmmmm. I know it's been 25 years, expansion of space/time and all of that but West Hollywood was 10 miles from Inglewood. I went back and forth all the time. But still the plurality of women there are not size 0 and below. And that is still not healthy no matter what you think.
But it is telling that you have been to UCLA, roughly the same distance away but not to Inglewood. How about Koreatown? That's even closer. Surely you are not going to claim every woman there is some size 0 k-pop girl? You have been there right? If you're unclear it's the other side of Hollywood.