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  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited July 2020

    @billyben_0077a25

    I hope so too.  That 'premium prices 'cuz no competition' stuff gets old.  Go Big Navi!  Of course, Nvidia is winding down production on the older cards, and I'm noticing that 1080 Ti prices are still a bit steep - still over $1100 in many cases, although Newegg has a couple of card on sale for less than $900 at the moment.

    The 1080 Ti is a last gen card, sheesh!  Not quite obsolete, but yeah at those prices might as well go for a 2080 Ti... oh wait just looked those up.  I'm seeing a bunch of 2080 Ti's over $1800 (a few are on sale for cheaper at least)... SHEESH!

    Stuff like this does kind of make you want to do the 3Delight thing instead... At least the 16 core/32 thread Ryzen 3950X is showing at below MSRP at the moment ($699, vs $749 a bit after launch).

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  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,638
    daveso said:

    I looked but its already stuff I've passed on 20-30 times. . 

    The 3 bundle deal not loong ago is a somewhat great deal. I was offered a banner for 7 free starter bundles, but really didnt see much there either. The pricing for the 3 bundle set at $98 is a huge chunk of change. 

    This isn't a hobby for me, but the dried up work scene (pre Covid19) has become completely petrified. So, money is tighter than tight

    I did go ahead & pick up Celani 8 because there were a few items in the bundle I wanted AND because I have lobbied Daz to release a Post Apocalypse bundle for awhile.

    If you don't buy after you successfully lobby then they won't listen to you

    I am bored silly of the free items on offer. I have picked over these same items every time they offer a new Pro 8 Bundle.

    The 7 categories isn't a bad idea, but $X per category ALWAYS has me leaving money on the table. Why not give us one big lump of money to spend? Rather than $15 per category, give us $105 to spend on any of the 7 categories.

    I'd end up leaving less money on the table(I'm leaving almost $5 in each category, as it is now.)

    P.S I wish they put that new Stonemason alleyway in the Pro Bundle. I probably wouldn't have been so ambivalent about my purchase.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,596

    Yep same here.  Suffering from a really bad case of Artists block right now.  I used to do anywhere from 1 to 30 images a week forever but have only dones 25 in the last yer aond only 5 images in the last 6 m,onths.  I think part of it is I want to do more complex images but am saddled wiht a GTX 1070 video card.  I am actually hoping that Big NAVI actually kicks Amphere's ass this time around this time so that Nvidia high end cards will be cheaper for this generation of cards.

    I am curious why having "only" a GTX 1070 should hold you back from complex scenes. Obviously what constitutes a complex scene is some what debatable, but I have stuffed 8+ dressed G8s and a full environment into my 8GB card without any problems.

  • Havos said:

    Yep same here.  Suffering from a really bad case of Artists block right now.  I used to do anywhere from 1 to 30 images a week forever but have only dones 25 in the last yer aond only 5 images in the last 6 m,onths.  I think part of it is I want to do more complex images but am saddled wiht a GTX 1070 video card.  I am actually hoping that Big NAVI actually kicks Amphere's ass this time around this time so that Nvidia high end cards will be cheaper for this generation of cards.

    I am curious why having "only" a GTX 1070 should hold you back from complex scenes. Obviously what constitutes a complex scene is some what debatable, but I have stuffed 8+ dressed G8s and a full environment into my 8GB card without any problems.

    Try doing Sci Fi group scenes.  This scene took over 8 hours to render before I shrunk it to publish it.  It was originally 1920 x 1920

     

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    1080 x 1080 - 210K
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,215

    My eyesight must not be as good as most because honestly I cannot understand why anyone would render anything for 8 hours, I complain if I cannot render more than one frame a second for my animations.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934

    ...one part of my block is having to effectively start from square one after the drive crash. 

    The other is something I need to be very careful about how I mention it.  Best to say it involves being a "concerned citizen" and leave it at that.

  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,380

    if I hadn't fast grabbed Oso3D's wurms earlier I might have bought one but now I need to buy food for the week

    And food for the wurms too.

    My buying has really fallen off. Everything here is great quality of course, but I am still very much drawn to "things" like SF ships and such.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,215
    edited July 2020

    I actually looked back over the year when I got my group certificate the other day and realised I haven't done too badly on a gross income of 14 458AUD

    yes that is my entire income for the year, not sure if I actually need to pay tax yet, hope not

    think it's well below the threshold 

    thanks to Covid19 though I am very unsure about the future as I took quite a hit on my capital of my Superannuation which is what I am living on

    the government allowed early access to many and they cleaned theirs out and it's a bit of a ponzi scheme really

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  • My eyesight must not be as good as most because honestly I cannot understand why anyone would render anything for 8 hours, I complain if I cannot render more than one frame a second for my animations.

    The Image was extremely noisy and I did not want to soften the image by noise removal because it was supposed to be the cover image for a comic that never got off the ground'

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,215

    My eyesight must not be as good as most because honestly I cannot understand why anyone would render anything for 8 hours, I complain if I cannot render more than one frame a second for my animations.

    The Image was extremely noisy and I did not want to soften the image by noise removal because it was supposed to be the cover image for a comic that never got off the ground'

    yeah iray and emitters definitely have issues Octane can avoid with the firefly settings

  • 3dOutlaw3dOutlaw Posts: 2,481
    AllenArt said:
    AllenArt said:
    xyer0 said:
    AllenArt said:

    Sometimes you just need to walk away for awhile. I've done it multiple times over the last 20+ years - sometimes for years at a time.

    Laurie

    Then I hope your last break was recent.

    It was not. LOL I've been back into it again for the last 12 years ;). However, the last time I took a break I was gone for nearly 5 years.

    Oh, I thought your disappearance and the removal of your freebies was when you were taking a break. Goodness, if that wasn't a break I'd hate to see an actual break. lol

    Nah, that was a blip. LOL My muse is definitely on vacation at the current time though, but I keep keepin' on. laugh

    Laurie

    I only had one break, was about 3+ years.  Since then, a blip...yep, a good description.  My blip is usually a move to another hobby though.  In this current blip, a little gaming and learning the guitar.  ( though the A3 Medusa cosplay freebie almost gave me a kickstart cheeky )  I keep tabs though, in case I can get a nice item 20% or less...it's when my wishlist grows.

  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,493

    I would totally render something for 8+ hours (and have), because I have more patience than I have funds for a good video card.

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,565
    fred9803 said:

    The DAZ TOS sees to it that nothing overtly sexualised or politicised every sees the light of day in the galleries or from PAs. Possibly the two things that occupy the minds of many people these days.... politics and sex. So DAZ will always occupy the bland middle-ground of not offending the sensibilities of the easily offended. Hence the endless collage of harmless grey and hackneyed repitition of old tired themes. No wonder some are feel thrill-less when there's no edgy contempory truely meaningful stuff allowed.

    ...

    Disney made that philosophy work pretty well.indecision

    Yeh, but what sane person would like to live in a Disneyland for an eternity rather than a normal world albeit with all its faults and moral contradictions. That's not life as I see it.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,122
    fred9803 said:
    fred9803 said:

    The DAZ TOS sees to it that nothing overtly sexualised or politicised every sees the light of day in the galleries or from PAs. Possibly the two things that occupy the minds of many people these days.... politics and sex. So DAZ will always occupy the bland middle-ground of not offending the sensibilities of the easily offended. Hence the endless collage of harmless grey and hackneyed repitition of old tired themes. No wonder some are feel thrill-less when there's no edgy contempory truely meaningful stuff allowed.

    ...

    Disney made that philosophy work pretty well.indecision

    Yeh, but what sane person would like to live in a Disneyland for an eternity rather than a normal world albeit with all its faults and moral contradictions. That's not life as I see it.

    True, but that's not what I was suggesting.  I was just implying that it was profitable.  Probably because almost everybody likes safe and cuddly for at least a little while. 

    I imagine that Disney communities are full of Karens.

  • fred9803 said:
    fred9803 said:

    The DAZ TOS sees to it that nothing overtly sexualised or politicised every sees the light of day in the galleries or from PAs. Possibly the two things that occupy the minds of many people these days.... politics and sex. So DAZ will always occupy the bland middle-ground of not offending the sensibilities of the easily offended. Hence the endless collage of harmless grey and hackneyed repitition of old tired themes. No wonder some are feel thrill-less when there's no edgy contempory truely meaningful stuff allowed.

    ...

    Disney made that philosophy work pretty well.indecision

    Yeh, but what sane person would like to live in a Disneyland for an eternity rather than a normal world albeit with all its faults and moral contradictions. That's not life as I see it.

    Lets see, Corona virus, Murder Hornet, Sniper Monkeys, Civil Unreast, and the high probability that SkyNet will go acrtive in August then we will have Terminators to deal with.  To heck with Disney, I could use a little Matrix loving right now.  Anyone want to be a battery fo a few months/years?  After you've rested up, youi can always take the Red Pill head back down the Rabit Hole.  I already asked my mom if that offer to slap me clean into next year was still available and she said no.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934

    ...'nother 'plaint.  Rent increase that originally scheduled for April (which was delayed because of the pandemic) will to go into effect tomorrow.

  • BandoriFanBandoriFan Posts: 364
    mcorr said:

    I’m also spending less, but not because my interest is waivering, but because the offerings are becoming ridiculous, or just plain uninteresting.

    Take the new Stonemason product for example. How many grungy alleys do we need pre tell?? Maybe he’s in one of those slumps discussed here and he can’t get out of cranking out variations on the same product. But I could say the same about many charaters being sold: they look like spawns of the same, common genetic base. Too many similarities, or just variations on some originally released product. Sometimes I feel like I’m being asked to buy mere iterations of a character somebody is working on over and over to get just right.

    Due to such repetitiveness, and then others having to make their own variations on grungy alleys (or scars, coffee shops, poses, or some other endlessly, slightly varied product ideas), I just can’t be bothered. Daz cranking out 500 new pro bundles per month (which then need to soon be heavily discounted to generate cash) also leaves me cold: the quality of the clothes, poses and hair in these bundles have suffered, imo. And the characters themselves are over priced, since they have very few make-up or other options. The calculus of when, if ever, to buy such products heavily favors waiting until they are steeply discounted. In these cases, maybe less (rushed and better crafted products) would mean more (cash for those offering products).

    The crazy repetitiveness of products and product types with only minor variations among them (with less and less novelty and creativity in evidence) being offered in faster and faster sales cycles feels like a vicious circle of overly caffinated, frenetic, meaningless activity.

    In this kind of environment — to the extent one is dependent on new, innovative and creative products coming out to spur one’s own creativity — the thrill  will undoubtedly run out for some.

    While it's okay not to like stuff because we all have different taste I personally think it was a great month for new stuff between the lizard men, the bear men, the stuffed bear, Gou Luk bundle, Aura, the alley you mentioned, Alien vs. Trooper bundle stuff, Kpop poses, Render Doctor, and it was just so amazing! The hardest part was choosing what to get since you can only spend so much and there's awesome not new stuff that goes on sale too

    The Gou Luk bundle itself has so much great stuff and there are so many amazing skins for the shoes, clothes, makeup, and hair

    And you don't have to buy the bundles it's good to have the choice 

    I've always wondered why core figures are more expensive than others 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934
    edited August 2020

    ...particularly as they are Daz Originals rather than PA products as many of the latter have sculpted details..

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  • I find the Pro Bundles to be less interesting than they used to be. Safer? Very middle of the road, and we have so many "middle of the road" outfits. It wears you out.

    Even with Kayo being Wrasslin, the unitards were so safe. AND I LIKE WRASSLIN. With the wrasslin ring renders I've been doing, I'm digging into the clothing collection to find interesting clothes rather than the safe choices I got out of the Pro bundle. (Aside from CB's Take Down outfit, which is both functional (with the knee/elbow pads) and sexy.) Unless you LOVE wrasslin, you weren't necessarily going to love those safe Kayo outfits because they didn't push many boundaries.

    When someone asked about Tears of the Gods (out of Olympia 7's Pro Bundle)... I just wonder, what happened to outfits like that?

    I don't need more Generic Fantasy outfits, and half of Celani's bundle looked like that to me. Suitable for generic fantasy world or generic apocalyptic world. There's nothing really Mad Max about it. Nothing over the top, theatrical, Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah. It's just not there. Where did edgier outfits like Tears of the Gods go? There's also not much Walking Dead about it, like the Wall Ranger outfit (also Genesis 3 era) or the Post-Apoc one that came with Victoria 7. It's just a strange, generic fantasy of an apocalypse there.

    I'm rendering Wrasslin, but the thrill comes from mixing in pieces that had nothing to do with Kayo or Kwan's bundles. There are just too many safe releases in Genesis 8, and not enough thrill... and I LIKE Genesis 8 more than the previous ones. It's just that the pro bundles don't grab me like they used to.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934

    ...indeed I only have the following Daz G8 characters: Ollie, Floyd, Mabel, Edie,Teen Jane and Vicky (whom I got for free during the last Vicky anniversary on a purple banner deal). The only Pro bundle in the lot that I bought is Edie as I actually liked everything that was included (the only "fantasy related" work I do involves fey and she works great for one of my story characters).  

    Oh I also have the G8 - G3 character conversion utilities as well as clothing conversion ones as well, as I generally work with G3.   For hair I am used to doing manual fits (I still use Gen 4 hairs with G3).

    As I mentioned I have been avoiding most new clothing for now as much of it is dForce based and just not into having to run animation sims on old hardware every time I set up a scene or pose/re-pose a character.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    I could use another set of fantasty characters along the lines of Ollie and Edie, but maybe little short people? I need more bases for dwaves and smaller creatures ;).

  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520
    edited August 2020
    AllenArt said:

    I could use another set of fantasty characters along the lines of Ollie and Edie, but maybe little short people? I need more bases for dwaves and smaller creatures ;).

     

    Yeah what I love about Ollie and Edie is out-of-the-box they're such adorable fantasy characters, but the quality of their textures and maps 100% lends to photorealistic renders too. They're real crowd-pleasers in that way.  If you're not into the fantasy look you can apply their maps etc to more "real world" figures in your library and they'll look amazing, or you can blend Ollie/Edie's morph with a more real world figure and IMO from what I've seen in the gallery they really take on a realistic look well. It's hard to go wrong with them regardless of your style! 

     

      

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  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,444

    I would totally render something for 8+ hours (and have), because I have more patience than I have funds for a good video card.

    guess i'm not so lucky then.. because i have neither nor...

    so i end up rendering a tiny fraction from all the scenes i start - many already crash & burn / freeze and die already in the middle of creating them, when i testrender sth - and i do this "final rendering", which is usually a better test, during my sleep since i use my laptop all the time when i'm awake. short: once a scene has come so far as to be rendered in full, i usually leave it at that. 1 "good" render, and it has to be the one. otherwise i'd spend days/weeks on the same relatively simple scene, and it's no fun...
    somehow this pisses me off, cuz what i upload on DA, my "art", is worth 99% crap with the occasional rare success - and it has more to do with my laptop's lack of power than what i would be capable of, if only the lame piece of garbage was more performing. not even mentioning dforce which is still an unattainable dream. also, i occasionally spend $$ i don't really have for environments.. that i can barely use due to lack of resources, and i end up using minimal random background objects or cutting a lot out of beautiful environments just so the scene doesn't die...
    this is artistic castration, if you ask me.

    it doesn't mean the thrill is gone - but the thrill keeps being showered with cold water :(

  • MimicMollyMimicMolly Posts: 2,322
    There's characters and other assets I'd love to buy but nothing really seems resource friendly anymore, so I skip them. But then, my thrill with DS never really came from shopping, so it's not close to being gone.
  • The Blurst of TimesThe Blurst of Times Posts: 2,410
    edited August 2020

    Thrill of shopping... These days, I've been looking at Genesis 3 prodcuts that I think have a higher likelihood of getting pulled. Genesis 3 generally had more render-friendly products, no significant use of dForce (no Simulation required), and is extremely compatible with Genesis 8 (often best done with a Scene Identification swap).

    I was rendering stuff, and I realized that one of the oot products I was using had been removed from the Daz store. That's another reason I was looking at Genesis 3. Who knows why things get removed?

    I suspect (for the oot suit) that it has to do with less-than-entire-boob coverage, but there's a lot of fantasy skimpwear that remains in the store.
    So, who knows? These decisions are not transparent to us. Daz won't say and the artists can't say, so we don't know.

    I remember a bunch of xtrart-3d's stuff got pulled, and some suspected it was the House of Mouse doing a vigorous legal thing, but now that stuff is back (and apparently without modification?).

    It just reminds me that all of this stuff moves in and out of sale categories, and sometimes disappears altogether.

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  • The thrill is not yet gone for me, and I actually have money to spend.  But even though I could afford to buy up the entire Gen 8 catalog by suppertime tonight, I'm still gonna be a penny-pinching cheap date. 

    That means sales, gift cards bought on discount, and store credit.  And massive bundle buys when the time comes.

    This summer is for home improvements, not sitting around and complaining about stuff.  I look forward to resuming my art.

    And what's the status on Bryce and Hex?  Come on, as long as they are sitting in the corner of the shed getting dry-rot, I'll always hesitate to spend money in the DAZ store.  I can still buy clay, glaze, pencils, and paints quite inexpensively!

  • Seems like when I have the thrill, I have no money, and when I have some money, nothing for sale seems to thrill me.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934

    Thrill of shopping... These days, I've been looking at Genesis 3 prodcuts that I think have a higher likelihood of getting pulled. Genesis 3 generally had more render-friendly products, no significant use of dForce (no Simulation required), and is extremely compatible with Genesis 8 (often best done with a Scene Identification swap).

    I was rendering stuff, and I realized that one of the oot products I was using had been removed from the Daz store. That's another reason I was looking at Genesis 3. Who knows why things get removed?

    I suspect (for the oot suit) that it has to do with less-than-entire-boob coverage, but there's a lot of fantasy skimpwear that remains in the store.
    So, who knows? These decisions are not transparent to us. Daz won't say and the artists can't say, so we don't know.

    I remember a bunch of xtrart-3d's stuff got pulled, and some suspected it was the House of Mouse doing a vigorous legal thing, but now that stuff is back (and apparently without modification?).

    It just reminds me that all of this stuff moves in and out of sale categories, and sometimes disappears altogether.

    ...a big part of why I stayed with G3.

    Another "bother" to me is alls the modern/post modernist architecture sets I've seen.  Would love to see some more retro stuff. as a lot of that architecture is still around in the "real world".  For example, there are a number of Art Deco era apartment buildings and just simple apartment houses/business storefronts, in the area where I live.  Even in Bladerunner and The Matrix, there was a good amount of "old school" architecture.

  • NylonGirlNylonGirl Posts: 2,238
    kyoto kid said:

     

    ...a big part of why I stayed with G3.

    Another "bother" to me is alls the modern/post modernist architecture sets I've seen.  Would love to see some more retro stuff. as a lot of that architecture is still around in the "real world".  For example, there are a number of Art Deco era apartment buildings and just simple apartment houses/business storefronts, in the area where I live.  Even in Bladerunner and The Matrix, there was a good amount of "old school" architecture.

    I'd like to see home interiors that look like something real people would have. Not a kid's bedroom with a pipe organ and a Mercedes in it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,934
    edited August 2020

    ...+1

    Or some uber-ultra modern space with stairs that I'd question the safety of and that is much larger than the average flat most people actually live in. Crikey, some of ultra modern the bathrooms I've seen here alone appear to  have as much if not more square footage than my entire studio flat.

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