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For me, I'm not burnt out of the hobby, but of Genesis 8. I'd really like to see what's next and get that ball rollin'. I'm sure I'm in a minotirty here (enough posts in different Genesis 9 threads ius all I need to know), but otherwise, the thrill remains.
For me: It is not the thrill is gone, it is that most of the stuff in the store is great and looks good but is not usefull. I create comix for fun and I need stuff PA just don't like to make like period pieces and costumes. I have to do alot of fixing and modeling just to get what I want and then I think why do I pay for all the work I do? Oh yeah, this is fun!!! I just need to be patient and build what I need.
Thrill ain't gone for me either as it was never there in 3D but my interest in collecting is basically done for: so it's pretty much time to learn how to use all that content I bought competently and in addition learn how to make some some content myself.
But, I may or may not do that with much effort, as gardening, DIY on the house, and lots of other activities take up a lot of time too and when push comes to shove, I have to live in the house I DIY on and by law I have to garden the yard within certain legal restraints, so those are both must do activities and actually expensive too so definately the massive collecting phase of purchased 3D content is over for me.
So thrill, I never had a thrill about it, but basically what's different is a realization I can daydream the rest of my life and spend money the rest of my life buying content to storytell with but the reason I bought the content was to storytell with; not collecting for collecting's sake, not to make still rendered art, not to be a PA, not to do commisions and all those other things. All those things are good but that's not what I've ultimately been interested in regarding 3D. Storytelling is many hours and sometimes many weeks of hard work and lots of writing, and rewriting, and more rewriting, and isn't going to get done by me buying more content, not now, not ever. I think it will be enjoyable to finally start using content for what I bought it for and now that's it's paid for it will be a nice and now very cheap hobby: although as one last big expenditure I do plan on buying a perpetual license to Marvelous Designer 9 (and upgrade to MD 12 Perpetual when it's released). However, that's elsewhere.
Same here, I‘d definitely need more period sets, costumes, props, houses ... I do love the period products that are currently in the store, LaurieS of course especially, but I think I own about all of them by now, and unfortunately she doesn‘t do clothes.
i dont think i ever got much thrill from purchasing stuff...
I guess my goals are quite well defined in terms of what i want to do. Purchasing G8 figures is just a means to an end. I do like perusing this store and other general 3d stores to find good quality stuff to put in my scenes. Resourcing content is half the process of scene creation and i suppose it's fun?
Using stuff to render? That's just crazy talk.
Collections are to be completed, checked off the list, set on the shelf and admired for their completeness. Any other purpose is heresy. Why dirty up the toolchest by using the tools? Craziness.
I have a low thrill threshold
lack of funds notwithstanding I do get excited about the freebies even
I do occasionally get some pretty thrilling moments in the Daz store, as far as the shopping bug goes. These generally involve (mostly older) stuff going on sale for really steep discounts, at that point I feel like a kid in the candy store.
Sure, selling stuff for less than 25 cents an item, it's almost a freebie, but yeah there was that one day in March of 2018 when I had 227 items in my cart, and the car total was $125, which included a few new items and a bunch of V4 era items...
That day, it was petty much 'below 50 cents? Maybe add to cart. Below 25 cents? Add to cart'. I probably spent 3-4 hours stuffing that cart, and was wondering if the store software could even handle that many items in the cart (it was definitely getting sluggish). So this is the sale day that I remember fondly.
I did a followup on that sale, grabbing a few more items at those price levels that I had missed/taken a pass on the first time around. Even so, there's some stuff I wish I had grabbed at that point that I ended up picking up later on for not as cheap, and I'm sure some of that stuff has disappeared from the Daz store since then...
Sure it was a bunch of older stuff, some of which I may never use, but I don't mind trying to autofit older stuff to Genesis 3, and I have made use of a lot of that content at one time or another, even if it ends up being 'one offs' in a few cases.
There have been a couple of other moments where a sale got me excited. One was when the Ironman13 bundles were on sale for $1.99-$2.99 or so... I loaded up on i13 bundles a couple of times during those sales (there were 2-3 as I remember).
Compared to those heady days, yeah the thrill has been missing these days. The $1.99 sales are OK, when those show up occasionally, but yeah just not the same.
Take us out B.B.!
now.. why does this ring a bell... XD
yeah, sometimes collecting this stuff has become more of a hobby than actually using it.. TT - some people buy shoes or bags, i prefer pixels. they only gather pixie dust ;)
there is one thing that i really, REALLY wish daz would introduce with bundles or any packages of products: the hivewire system of discounting items off a bundle if you already own them.
Pleasure is a weird thing. Sometimes, I just render to render so I get past whatever mood I'm in.
One also thinks of Tool "Track #1"
"Relax, turn around and take my hand..." (LOOOOL)
I have taken a huge assessment of the content I already own and realise that everyday I continue to surprsie myself of what's there. The release of both male and female 8 figures seem to be oversaturated at the moment. I have spoiled myself in the past by jumping on the bandwagon and buying what I think I might need for a future render that I never ultimately conceive. I have spent far too much money on whim buying, but now I am trying a new process of only buying stuff I need for a render at the moment. I will flag new stuff that I like as a 'favorite' and will wait for a sale to get it at a resaonable price. I realise that I have bought so many prime '8' figures, and get the ensuing discount, but if I am patient and can wait....I would get them next to nothing in a sale. I say to every product I see that "I like it, but don't need it now", and it's working for the moment....but I agree...the thrill is gone. It's just too much.
Have you tried holding your breath until your render is finished? That'll spice things up a bit... especially if you have a crappy GPU like I do...
Yeah, I have to admit there's been more than a couple of times where I've went 'Wow, Daz made that a freebie?!?' as well.
Of course, the flip side is when you uncheck that 'hide items I already own' button when looking at the freebies pages and see something that you bought earlier... I still don't regret buying Hexagon (on sale) though - it's free now of course.
nope. cuz i know there's no chance i'll survive ANy render at all. not even a cube... crappy doesn't even begin to describe my laptop. a wonder the thing doesn't have stone keys..
Are we talking floppy old?
lmao.. no, not THAT old. just old enough to be lame, slow, dforce unable and making each & every single render a real pita (but not enough to sell it as an antique, lol)
i often upload crappy renders on DA - WHEN i actually finish a scene up to a render - it's because usually just a simple test to see how light or sth else works takes hours. and then the motivation to do the same x times has gone, the creative energy has dissipated. so, basically... the majority of my uploaded renders on DA are TESTS. TT
...oh there have been minor "!thrills" from time to time, like when the Young Teens 5 were released for Genesis, or Stonemason gave us another large urban setting, or when we finally got a realistic grand piano and pipe organ along with other musical instruments, or finally a couple city buses (like one would actually see plying the streets) for all those bus stops. Now if we only could get more vehicles with right hand drive and a large English country manor house, I'd be ecstatic. .
As I’ve checked out free hdri websites, I realized that I spent waaaaaaay too much money here on hdris. There are plenty of free high quality ones on other sites.
I’m also spending less, but not because my interest is waivering, but because the offerings are becoming ridiculous, or just plain uninteresting.
Take the new Stonemason product for example. How many grungy alleys do we need pre tell?? Maybe he’s in one of those slumps discussed here and he can’t get out of cranking out variations on the same product. But I could say the same about many charaters being sold: they look like spawns of the same, common genetic base. Too many similarities, or just variations on some originally released product. Sometimes I feel like I’m being asked to buy mere iterations of a character somebody is working on over and over to get just right.
Due to such repetitiveness, and then others having to make their own variations on grungy alleys (or scars, coffee shops, poses, or some other endlessly, slightly varied product ideas), I just can’t be bothered. Daz cranking out 500 new pro bundles per month (which then need to soon be heavily discounted to generate cash) also leaves me cold: the quality of the clothes, poses and hair in these bundles have suffered, imo. And the characters themselves are over priced, since they have very few make-up or other options. The calculus of when, if ever, to buy such products heavily favors waiting until they are steeply discounted. In these cases, maybe less (rushed and better crafted products) would mean more (cash for those offering products).
The crazy repetitiveness of products and product types with only minor variations among them (with less and less novelty and creativity in evidence) being offered in faster and faster sales cycles feels like a vicious circle of overly caffinated, frenetic, meaningless activity.
In this kind of environment — to the extent one is dependent on new, innovative and creative products coming out to spur one’s own creativity — the thrill will undoubtedly run out for some.
I can agree with a lot of the sentiment in this thread. I just did a count up and I have 63 Genesis 8 pro bundles and a lot of Genesis 3 pro bundles that I got free when I first came back to Daz after a long break. I think I've bought two pro bundles in the past five months.
I do have to wonder though what it is like for someone coming new to Daz - they could build a small library of core figures, clothing and hair from a huge choice of pro bundle content, a lot of it often on sale. Perhaps part of the reason that I don't buy a lot of content lately is that when I start building a scene and realise that I need something, I can search through content that I bought years ago for Michael 3, Victoria 3, Victoria 4 etc and then adapt it with iray shaders to look good enough for a one-use still image render.
Right now, I can't see what Daz can add to a Genesis 9 figure to make me want to buy it, given the existing technology within Daz Studio - it really would have to be a massive leap forward. But, when they do eventually start a new Genesis series, I plan to buy a couple of core bundles and then be much more selective in what I buy after that - likely adding just a few PA figures to the mix instead of the core Daz figures.
The DAZ TOS sees to it that nothing overtly sexualised or politicised every sees the light of day in the galleries or from PAs. Possibly the two things that occupy the minds of many people these days.... politics and sex. So DAZ will always occupy the bland middle-ground of not offending the sensibilities of the easily offended. Hence the endless collage of harmless grey and hackneyed repitition of old tired themes. No wonder some are feel thrill-less when there's no edgy contempory truely meaningful stuff allowed.
Then again DAZ has to work within the confines of the online money transfer system for their money, which is increasingly cracking down on anything they consider "inaproppriate' in their view.... child characters with their shoulders visible etc. So that tail waggs the DAZ dog. And you can't blame them when a corporation's bottom line is always to see a profit on their books. It's just the way things work.
Disney made that philosophy work pretty well.
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That doesn't help how many of us feel when, as you say, the same stuff gets recycled again. One good thing about Genesis 8 right now is there are a lot of conversion products available for hair, clothing and characters. If I were to advise someone starting out with Daz Studio right now, I would recommend that they go and look first at the "Alt" packages made by AliveSheCried, and pick one or two male and female ones. Buy those and the corresponding Pro bundles to go with them. After that, look at creators like Mousso and Bluejaunt and buy a couple of those characters. From then on, just buy some scenery and utilities like ultrascatter and a good lighting package. Anything else, only buy when you really can't make a scene without it.
In a scene that I created over the weekend, I needed a couple of items - found them in the store quickly, and both were on sale. I added them to the cart, but then did some searching of my old Poser content folder and found some equivalents that I could use and just change the shaders. I definitely didn't need to buy anything, and I feel that I'm becoming more aware of that. Occasionally a product is released that is so different that I will buy it, but those don't seem to be Daz originals very often now - it's the PAs who are leading the innovation.
I've experienced that too with items. Another factor is getting to be "I don't need this right now. And it looks fairly easy. Wishlist, and if I ever need it, I'll try modelling something similar first." Especially with rooms and furniture.
Ditto
Ditto again
Well said!
Yeah I have bus stops, gazebos, livingrooms, bathrooms, hallways and corridors, garden furnitures, aliens and trolls, vehicles, everyday this and that, rundown this and that...
I stopped visiting the front store page years ago, still find great pleasure in putting together stuff using what I already own. I do check the wishlist on a daily basis, and pick up things I need when on heavy sale. If I miss something I go look for it.
I dug deep into the well of DAZ offerings back in my early days. Now, not so much.
Yes, made a quip about collections for collections sake but my collections at DAZ are basically limited to Michaels, Davids, Freaks, and monsters and only particular monsters and only a few examples of the guys. I have a bazillion free props and some architectures but mostly I render with stages like the MilleniumEnvironment, MultiplaneCyclorama, and the two Woodland Realms. I don't particularly bite for the Pro Collections, but rather buy a-la-carte the few things I like. So, there's not a lot for me to buy. I do have all the guys and their musculature morphs and some textures but in the end I usually only use my favorite few. Have saved a lot of money recently! 
Yep same here. Suffering from a really bad case of Artists block right now. I used to do anywhere from 1 to 30 images a week forever but have only dones 25 in the last yer aond only 5 images in the last 6 m,onths. I think part of it is I want to do more complex images but am saddled wiht a GTX 1070 video card. I am actually hoping that Big NAVI actually kicks Amphere's ass this time around this time so that Nvidia high end cards will be cheaper for this generation of cards.