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  • markgoode77markgoode77 Posts: 343
    BandoriFan said:

     

    markgoode77 said:

    Or this?

    https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/manzoni-artists-shit-t07667

    Eww that's so gross and inappropriate! 

    Quite.

    But if the Tate gallery can spend a large sum of money on 30 grams of human poop, which they consider to be 'art', then nobody can tell me that my electronic doodles are not art.  Except me, of course.  I consider myself to be a wannabe artist. 

    Occasionally I post my pictures to the gallery, and sometimes some people like them.  Not many, perhaps, and never enough to get my work into the top banner 'Hall of Fame', but the fact that someone has clicked the 'Like' button, or taken the time to post a comment, makes me feel good (art or not).  So I'll continue doing these renders the way I do, using out of the box models, and what I do produce entirely by myself I'll continue to flush down the toilet.

     wink

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    richardandtracy said:

    There are some things no-one will ever convince me is art. I can't give a definition - I feel that's for etymologists - but I know it when I see it. And then it can be good, bad or indifferent. But some things, many things, are not art to my understanding of the term & I suspect no-one would ever be able to convince me otherwise. Now, I don't know if I produce art, borderline in my mind, but I do produce a few images I like. They don't need to be capable of, or actually, being labelled as 'Art' for me to like them.

    There are many things that are not art but were claimed to be art by pretentious snots with delusions. Entirely blank canvases with a single dot of color. Covering fragile cultural landmarks with fabric without permits or any sort of study about how not to damage said landmarks that do millions in damage or, in one noteworthy example. irreparable damage.

    Art of course is almost anything that someone calls art but when the artists only motivation is to extract money from the gullible then that is not art, sorry that is just the way that is. Also when art is just about stroking some fools oversized ego then again that is not art.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,313
    kenshaw011267 said:
    richardandtracy said:

    There are some things no-one will ever convince me is art. I can't give a definition - I feel that's for etymologists - but I know it when I see it. And then it can be good, bad or indifferent. But some things, many things, are not art to my understanding of the term & I suspect no-one would ever be able to convince me otherwise. Now, I don't know if I produce art, borderline in my mind, but I do produce a few images I like. They don't need to be capable of, or actually, being labelled as 'Art' for me to like them.

    There are many things that are not art but were claimed to be art by pretentious snots with delusions. Entirely blank canvases with a single dot of color. Covering fragile cultural landmarks with fabric without permits or any sort of study about how not to damage said landmarks that do millions in damage or, in one noteworthy example. irreparable damage.

    Art of course is almost anything that someone calls art but when the artists only motivation is to extract money from the gullible then that is not art, sorry that is just the way that is. Also when art is just about stroking some fools oversized ego then again that is not art.

    Like "The Art of the Deal"?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,802

    There's also an art of thread-locking, at which I am a master.

  • XtraDimensionalXtraDimensional Posts: 510
    edited July 2020

    In order to do 3d art, you must (usually) have:

    Modeling
    Texturing
    Materials/shaders
    Rigging
    Posing
    Morphing/sculpting
    Lighting
    Camera work
    Composition
    Post-processing

    Most professional pipelines have many people who do these things, and they may often used purchased assets to save time. Does that make them less of an artist or professional? No. Does it make you less of an artist to use purchased assets? No. Consider yourself to have really talented artists in your pipeline, because that's essentially what you have.

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,641
    edited July 2020

    What characterizes a hack? Generally it refers to low-effort, uncreative and overly derivative work. Hack writing, for example, is predictable, formulaic and riddled with cliches. Does that sound like your work to you?

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    wolf359 said:
    Ivy said:
    Nyghtfall3D said:

    Does anyone else feel like a hack when someone compliments you on elements of your renders you didn't create?

    It does not bother me . But Its even worst when your making daz animation everyone just assumes you are using gaming clips or its made with poser. wink

     

    You might be surprised at how many people believe that animated Characters can only be created with a video game systems/engines

    Some "expert",in an online comic book community, watched all 93 minutes of "Galactus Rising" and assumed it was made by editing together cut scene footage from a Playstation 2.

    It would not surprise me at all. I am asked all the time what game I am using to make Karate Girl,  even though I clearly state in each video that its created with Daz Studio. People are weird.

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    Richard Haseltine said:

    There's also an art of thread-locking, at which I am a master.

    and comment post removal too.

  • droidy001droidy001 Posts: 282
    Standing on the shoulders of giants. We would never get anything done if we didn't use elements created by others. Look at games. I remember when games where created from lines of code typed into a machine. Now they use all sorts of engines. It's what the devoloper puts into that engine that makes it original. Using premade lighting is no different to using characters or environments. It's what we do with them when we put them together that makes our work unique. I do use ready to render scenes but I never render exactly how it is. I will change camera angle or add a new camera. I will alter the lighting, although the preset do give me a start. I use pose sets to get the approximate position but always need to change something. Its time saving not lack of originality.
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,364

    I had a run in with youtube itself over a monetised video where they wanted to know what game it was from

    I could not convince the person I communicated with it was not a game

    I no longer monetise my stuff so not an issue anymore 

  • droidy001droidy001 Posts: 282
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I had a run in with youtube itself over a monetised video where they wanted to know what game it was from

    I could not convince the person I communicated with it was not a game

    I no longer monetise my stuff so not an issue anymore 

    So YouTube could not grasp the idea of CG art, that you have the right to distribute legally. Were they accusing you of ripping someones game?
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,364
    edited July 2020
    droidy001 said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I had a run in with youtube itself over a monetised video where they wanted to know what game it was from

    I could not convince the person I communicated with it was not a game

    I no longer monetise my stuff so not an issue anymore 

     

    So YouTube could not grasp the idea of CG art, that you have the right to distribute legally. Were they accusing you of ripping someones game?

    apparently 

    it was to be fair made to look a bit like a game

    it was quite a few years ago and I had a bunch of trolls continuously falsely reporting everything I uploaded, most were dismissed without any inputs needed from me but that one I scored a very difficult to communicate with person looking into it.

    I could understand if it was because it mentioned the Drow and other Advanced Dungeons and Dragons themes but that was not the reason given

     

    BTW Jaderail wrote the dialogue 

    a lot of my descriptions are missing from when I removed them all at once  after having another video removed for a metadata violation because of my description 

    a rule I had never heard of

    so I just removed every description from every video in a batch process replacing them with "none"

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  • droidy001droidy001 Posts: 282
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    droidy001 said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I had a run in with youtube itself over a monetised video where they wanted to know what game it was from

    I could not convince the person I communicated with it was not a game

    I no longer monetise my stuff so not an issue anymore 

     

    So YouTube could not grasp the idea of CG art, that you have the right to distribute legally. Were they accusing you of ripping someones game?

    apparently 

    it was to be fair made to look a bit like a game

    it was quite a few years ago and I had a bunch of trolls continuously falsely reporting everything I uploaded, most were dismissed without any inputs needed from me but that one I scored a very difficult to communicate with person looking into it.

    I could understand if it was because it mentioned the Drow and other Advanced Dungeons and Dragons themes but that was not the reason given

     

    BTW Jaderail wrote the dialogue 

    a lot of my descriptions are missing from when I removed them all at once  after having another video removed for a metadata violation because of my description 

    a rule I had never heard of

    so I just removed every description from every video in a batch process replacing them with "none"

    I was going to say they seem to have devoloped a shoot first ask questions later attitude, but unfortunately that seems to have turned into shoot and walk away.
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,364

    poor Diomede cannot upload Carrara tutorials as they are being flagged as phishing 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,416
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    poor Diomede cannot upload Carrara tutorials as they are being flagged as phishing 

    How does that happen? There are thousands of tuts for most any 3D program you care to name. I don't think they get flagged.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,364
    Torquinox said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    poor Diomede cannot upload Carrara tutorials as they are being flagged as phishing 

    How does that happen? There are thousands of tuts for most any 3D program you care to name. I don't think they get flagged.

    I have no idea but everytime he tries they reject them and he could lose his channel

    its a bot probably 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,416
    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I have no idea but everytime he tries they reject them and he could lose his channel

    its a bot probably 

    That's awful! I hope Diomede gets to keep his channel and somehow resolves the problem.
  • jestmartjestmart Posts: 4,449

    Carrara is a city in Italy so not unique and lots of other products have it in their name (but I will blame Porsche's Carrera which often gets spelled wrong).

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,364

    I think it is actually seeing the UI and assuming all videos of the same thing

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,168
    edited July 2020
    Paintbox said:
    richardandtracy said:

    There are some things no-one will ever convince me is art. I can't give a definition - I feel that's for etymologists - but I know it when I see it. And then it can be good, bad or indifferent. But some things, many things, are not art to my understanding of the term & I suspect no-one would ever be able to convince me otherwise. Now, I don't know if I produce art, borderline in my mind, but I do produce a few images I like. They don't need to be capable of, or actually, being labelled as 'Art' for me to like them.

    And you don't have to be convinced. Only time will tell if something is art or not, collectively. Try not to think of it as top-down defined thing. Art is a mirror of the culture and context it was made in. It's why prehistoric art is different from roman or greek art, or art from other parts of the world. Also do not conflict art with having to be in a museum, or art having to be worth much.

    My teacher always told me [on creating art] it is a bit more like sports, you just try to jump a little bit higher each time. You set your own bars in a way.

    I highly recommend "But is it art?" by Cynthia Freeland if you are interested in the topic.

    Perhaps, unmade beds & detritus and other random assembleges of junk can be called art but it doesn't mean that it's not also that someone has figured out how to fleece sheep by handwaving and officiousness.   Yet another example of "Wizard's First Rule".

     

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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    edited July 2020

    I would say this is art even though its just a plastic Garden Owl with a Surgical Mask on. which I didn't make either of,  I only placed the mask on the owl .Make Art!

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,403
    Ivy said:

    I would say this is art even though its just a plastic Garden Owl with a Surgical Mask on. which I didn't make either of,  I only placed the mask on the owl .Make Art!

    Spray it with a couple of coats of protecitve lacquer and you're good either way.  ;)  I remember going into an art shop in Juarez, Mexico back when I was around nine and seeing a table covered with these amazing figures of frogs playing musical instruments... until I got close enough to see the stiches and realized they were real frogs that had been stuffed, posed and varnished.  I didn't want one so much after that, but if that counts as art... 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,364
    Cybersox said:
    Ivy said:

    I would say this is art even though its just a plastic Garden Owl with a Surgical Mask on. which I didn't make either of,  I only placed the mask on the owl .Make Art!

    Spray it with a couple of coats of protecitve lacquer and you're good either way.  ;)  I remember going into an art shop in Juarez, Mexico back when I was around nine and seeing a table covered with these amazing figures of frogs playing musical instruments... until I got close enough to see the stiches and realized they were real frogs that had been stuffed, posed and varnished.  I didn't want one so much after that, but if that counts as art... 

    they do that with cane toads here

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,403
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    Cybersox said:
    Ivy said:

    I would say this is art even though its just a plastic Garden Owl with a Surgical Mask on. which I didn't make either of,  I only placed the mask on the owl .Make Art!

    Spray it with a couple of coats of protecitve lacquer and you're good either way.  ;)  I remember going into an art shop in Juarez, Mexico back when I was around nine and seeing a table covered with these amazing figures of frogs playing musical instruments... until I got close enough to see the stiches and realized they were real frogs that had been stuffed, posed and varnished.  I didn't want one so much after that, but if that counts as art... 

    they do that with cane toads here

    Which makes one wonder who would actually find anything about a cane toad attracitive...

  • GalaxyGalaxy Posts: 562
    Cybersox said:
    Ivy said:

    I would say this is art even though its just a plastic Garden Owl with a Surgical Mask on. which I didn't make either of,  I only placed the mask on the owl .Make Art!

    Spray it with a couple of coats of protecitve lacquer and you're good either way.  ;)  I remember going into an art shop in Juarez, Mexico back when I was around nine and seeing a table covered with these amazing figures of frogs playing musical instruments... until I got close enough to see the stiches and realized they were real frogs that had been stuffed, posed and varnished.  I didn't want one so much after that,

    Cybersox said:
    WendyLuvsCatz said:
    Cybersox said:
    Ivy said:

    I would say this is art even though its just a plastic Garden Owl with a Surgical Mask on. which I didn't make either of,  I only placed the mask on the owl .Make Art!

    Spray it with a couple of coats of protecitve lacquer and you're good either way.  ;)  I remember going into an art shop in Juarez, Mexico back when I was around nine and seeing a table covered with these amazing figures of frogs playing musical instruments... until I got close enough to see the stiches and realized they were real frogs that had been stuffed, posed and varnished.  I didn't want one so much after that, but if that counts as art... 

    they do that with cane toads here

    Which makes one wonder who would actually find anything about a cane toad attracitive...

    It is cruel art probably. Disgusting instead of attracitive for me.

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