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The real question is what will their next name be? Aeon Seed? Alpha Soul?
OH! Alpha Soul! I like that one! :) Here's hoping that none of their great products go "poof" with a name change. lol
Speaking of stuff that goes "poof" - is there any way of getting your Painter's Lights, are they available for purchase anywhere?
And I hope you come back to Daz3D as a PA. You are missed!
Can't find him. Tried typing him using the Free Stuff section, tried the vendor. Do I have to go through tons of freebies to find him? Not sure how this works.
FrankT - no space.
https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/?search=FrankT
I found him via Google - I just typed "frankt renderosity" and it pulled up "FrankT's Gallery" at Rendo, from there I just clicked on the link to his "Freestuff". :)
Edit - @Misselthwaite 's link also works. :)
Thanks @Misselthwaite and @divamakeup
Hah! you brought back a strange memory of mine! It isn't unusual for a lot of artists to make creations in limited numbers. I have a sister-in-law who is a fine jeweler and a particular sequence of her will be sold for a few years and then molds are broken, designs are archived, and on to another style. Onto the memory! My sister worked for a few fine art museums. When she started working a one of them, she was introduce to the board which consists of millionares and billionares. At the end of her first week, she returned to her apartment and found a Fed-Ex package outside. She opened it and found a rosewood box inside with three wishbones made of bronze, ceramic, and hard rubber, a poem written on handmade paper, and an invitation to one of the board member's Christmas party (Peter Norton of Norton Utilities/Symantec). Every year, he commisioned a work of art for the party (500 initially and, then after a few years, the artist could make more to a final 5000 count). I have one of the initial 500 boxes on a shelf in my living room. They look like this: https://collections.artsmia.org/art/29078/iii-lorna-simpson
Yeah, I hate it when fantastic older products disappear from the marketplace. It has happened to me many times.
I actually have some major sympathy for AS, as I honestly wouldnt feel entirely comfortable rereleasing Painter's Lights without majorly updating/redoing them. There are some elements that I still use (the neutral environments), but other elements that I don't use at all anymore. I wouldn't feel comfortable releasing something that doesn't actually meet my own quality standards. (even simple things like the fact that I parented the lights to nulls not groups so they're more painful to turn on and off than they should be bothers me so, so, much)
And we'll see if I ever actually finish a product I have about 50 million half finished things I swear
hahah That's totally understandable. If you ever do update it and have it available somewhere, please let me know. :) I mean, I could make my own light sets - and I have, but I do enjoy using a variety of products from different PAs as different artists do things differently and that often results in the renders looking quite different when using different PAs light sets. Variety is the spice of life, after all! :D
As far as the "half-finished things", if you want any help with anything, let me know. I only do this part-time, so I often help other PAs with their stuff. I'd be happy to help out with any of your products, even if it's just beta testing or rendering icons and whatnot. :)
Nothing is obsolete until a better replacement is available.
"better" is so subjective though...
Why? If a vendor decides to retire a product that usually means they don't want people to get it anymore. The product is not "abandoned", they still own it and can do whatever they want with it. They don't owe you or anybody to keep it available, and certainly not for free.
Agree.
I rather like the fact that some of their products are a bit unique because they are no longer availble.
As people have said why theymight not want their old artworks out there forever because:
1) It doesn't reflect you anymore and the artist finds it freeing (loads of artists have gotten rid of their preliminary sketches, art school doodlings, failed projects etc.... some examples: https://www.dazeddigital.com/art-photography/article/47493/1/famous-artists-dramatically-destroyed-their-art-banksy-baldessari-francis-bacon) or you associate the creation of the work with a part of your life you want to forget.
2) In my own case, i designed a piece of art for a public building that should be there in theory for the next 150 years. I destroyed all preliminaly and varient versions of the project as well as the CAD designs used fo rthe etched glass and stainless steel since the project was to make the sign and not archive it forever. In this case, i was tired of the work, had provided the service, and never wanted to see it again.
3) it allows for growth to not be bound by your last work and allows works to editions. In the case of movies, most serious film makers want their work to be a statement and think of the franchise as a cheapening of the concept.
Realistically, no one is going to go to Ford Motors and demand a Model T (it was a cute car but its time has come and gone so the arguement that they should continue selling every car forever and ever will not go over well). Likewise, every PA culls products that are obsolete to them unless contractually forbidden. It might be helpful to think of this as a contract, both social and financial. The financial one is the easiest; when you buy some something in a store, you buy what is currently available. The store has no obligation to sell you something discontinued years ago: I am going to get that telegraph from ATT (American Telephone and Telegraph) one way or another.... You can't go to Rolex and say that you want the 1942 model. Store wares change over time. The social contract works in the same way; in an ideal world, we allow the artist to have freedom to follow what seems right for them. We have the freedom to either search out old priduct is available or the freedom to not buy current product. Artists need a bit of artistic freedom the change and evolve if you want them to produce high quality products. I don't know if you knowauthor Neil Gaimen's famous essay about fans complaining about the slow pace of George R. R. Martin's writing to finish the Game of Thrones series. It is called "George RR Martin is not your Bitch" and argues against treating creators as if they were Amazon; "can I speak to your manager?".
I will confess a certain bias. I have briefly chatted with AS a few times and came away greatly impressed by their personal vision and artistry. When i see a product, I buy it which helps ensure that it remains in the store. There should be no burden to buy something you don't want or for a creator to stock a product they don't want to.
Of course it is their own work, and can do with it as they will - however, I missed out on the original outfit, as I had not yet been introduced to Daz. Am I not allowed to long for it? Don't people still collect Model T's, and bring back Polaroids - due to new love, or nostalgia? I'm all for 'gather ye rosebuds while ye may', but if that isn't possible, I do not think it's a cavalier endeavor to encourage artists to let older items see the light of day once more. It never hurts to ask, does it? Even if they, themselves, have 'moved past' that moment of their creative timeline, it can only be a compliment that others still cherish it, or wish for it. Unfortunately, digital wares cannot become collectibles, traded and treasured and found in darkened attics or dusty garage shelves. They are both ephemeral and - potentially - eternal, unless sentenced to the unseen grave by their creator.
You definitely can long for it; I am just asking for people to respect the wishes of artists who say no..... There was a creeping "this is not your artistic statement; this is everyone's artwork and you are selfish not to bend to our wishes". I remember wanting a Keith Haring Swatch watch when I was younger; I kick myself for not getting it at the time. The estate now sells a reproduction but that isn't quite the same. As for AS, their old products require extensive reburbishing to bring them up to current standards (add Iray, add fitting to current characters, refine for HD, redo textures for higher resolution, etc....) so that the store will host them which requires putting current products on the back burner. They are not full time creators so having to work on stuff that they are tired of and not being able to work on stuff that inspires their passion is a big deal. So, yes, you can ask but be willing to accept no.
I don't long for a remake - I long for the one that was; I don't use G8, and would have absolutely no use for an updated version. I think people were trying to express a sense of grief that something they thought was beautiful might be forever lost - of course, if the creator wants to memory-hole it, that's their perogative. It's just regrettable (for us, not them :-) )
Unfortunately, if it isn't for gen 3/ gen 8, the store is unlikely to accept it and they have enough experious with other stores that they wouldn't want to sell anywhere else. Almost no one wants to host a store on their own. And, unfortunately, there would be a stream of people yelling at that about how unfair it was that they didn't update it for g3 / g8. Granted, this could be all for naught since it is possible that they don't even have the original files anymore; I once contacted a vedor about a product that he had in the store long ago but he lost the files in a computer crash....
I didn't think of Daz - no, they don't really go for resurrection, as far as I can tell (though wouldn't a one-day memorial sale be fabulous?). I just wish there was a simple way to contact people and say hey! it was awesome! Please can I trade you money for it? :-D Then they could just continue creating their new beautiful things, and the old beautiful things will have contributed a little more happiness... I know, dreaming. :-)
You could just contact them at DeviantArt and ask....
Had no idea they were there (I don't explore that site much). Done, and thank you for the suggestion - now to see if I get shot down :-D
They have enormous emotional connections to their projects but I think they are some of the most interesting artists in the store....
Thank you very, very much for the suggestion and the nudge - they were lovely :-)
iirc, none of their older products were removed without ample advance warning. Stonemason and RawArt have also removed products from the store here, usually with at least a bit of a warning.
And yeah, they were still usable products (I'm still using RawArt's Castle Study textures for the Study in the PC+ collection. A Lot.) But they didn't meet the artst's current standards, so if the person who made it isn't satisfied wth it, that right there is justification for removal or replacement..
With clothing items it gets even worse, since while I'll happily keep using PC sets and testures from over a decade ago, I don't think I'm evern likely to try to use V3 for anything. Even though digital storage isn't that big a deal insofar as inventory goes, keeping things available just to keep them available is eventually going to run into a case of diminishing returns.
An interview with Aery_Soul (from when AS won 2008 vendor of the year); their evolving art style & their advice to aspiring Digital Content Developers.
https://www.renderosity.com/2008-vendor-of-the-year-aery-soul-cms-14395