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Why Don't "Suggested" Products Match?

IceScribeIceScribe Posts: 694
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I'm sure this has come up before, but why are "You may also be interested in the following product(s)" rarely have anything to do with the character of the product I'm viewing? I may like an artist, but so often add-on textures are made by different artists, and I'd probably like to buy one of those to "add on" to the product I am considering. 

, I often don't see the add-ons while shopping. I'm not buying a skimpware item when I'm looking for sturdy male armor, for example. It's kind of like buying a car, I may want it in blue or beige, but instead I am shown a bicyle or barbecue just because they all start with B. 

 

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  • Prince WaoPrince Wao Posts: 373

    In 6+ years I've never been interested in a "You may also be interested in the following product(s)" product! But Daz's SEARCH leaves a lot to be desired. EG: when there are sales and one clicks on a specific page one has options to click on software, characters, artists, etc, but what I'd like to see is a separate list for Environments as trying to find a specific type in pages and pages of Sales items or by using Search is either very tedious and time consuming or results in nothing being found. Re Search, a couple of years ago I was looking for any type of a spacecraft that would work with a scene I was working on, but whatever one's search parameters - space craft, space ship, star ship, spacecraft, spaceship, starship, etc - one never ever gets all of the many that are avaliable, and often only one or two products show up.  The same applies to most if not all classes of products.

    Daz is extremely sluggish today and the spell-checker won't work, so appologies for any typos above.

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,939
    IceScribe said:

    I'm sure this has come up before, but why are "You may also be interested in the following product(s)" rarely have anything to do with the character of the product I'm viewing? I may like an artist, but so often add-on textures are made by different artists, and I'd probably like to buy one of those to "add on" to the product I am considering. 

    , I often don't see the add-ons while shopping. I'm not buying a skimpware item when I'm looking for sturdy male armor, for example. It's kind of like buying a car, I may want it in blue or beige, but instead I am shown a bicyle or barbecue just because they all start with B. 

     

    Short quick answer;

    1. For many products, the artist doesn't create the promos so and an outside firm like Sympatico Studios uses some of tens of thousands of digital assets and do scores of versions before one is accepted. It is painfuly hard to keep track of what was used out the various products used in version 17 and most artists don't keep lists of items used.
    2. Many products use either extensively kitbashed, products from other stores, or products not commercially available in promos since they aren't the product being sold. They can't be listed in the "following product (s)".
    3. The products have to manually added to the webpage, provided the artist and promo provide the info but the team doing this is small so they do their best.
  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,703
    nemesis10 said:
    IceScribe said:

    I'm sure this has come up before, but why are "You may also be interested in the following product(s)" rarely have anything to do with the character of the product I'm viewing? I may like an artist, but so often add-on textures are made by different artists, and I'd probably like to buy one of those to "add on" to the product I am considering. 

    , I often don't see the add-ons while shopping. I'm not buying a skimpware item when I'm looking for sturdy male armor, for example. It's kind of like buying a car, I may want it in blue or beige, but instead I am shown a bicyle or barbecue just because they all start with B. 

     

    Short quick answer;

    1. For many products, the artist doesn't create the promos so and an outside firm like Sympatico Studios uses some of tens of thousands of digital assets and do scores of versions before one is accepted. It is painfuly hard to keep track of what was used out the various products used in version 17 and most artists don't keep lists of items used.
    2. Many products use either extensively kitbashed, products from other stores, or products not commercially available in promos since they aren't the product being sold. They can't be listed in the "following product (s)".
    3. The products have to manually added to the webpage, provided the artist and promo provide the info but the team doing this is small so they do their best.

    Those are all valid points that do not address what the OP is asking.

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,939
    Gordig said:
    nemesis10 said:
    IceScribe said:

    I'm sure this has come up before, but why are "You may also be interested in the following product(s)" rarely have anything to do with the character of the product I'm viewing? I may like an artist, but so often add-on textures are made by different artists, and I'd probably like to buy one of those to "add on" to the product I am considering. 

    , I often don't see the add-ons while shopping. I'm not buying a skimpware item when I'm looking for sturdy male armor, for example. It's kind of like buying a car, I may want it in blue or beige, but instead I am shown a bicyle or barbecue just because they all start with B. 

     

    Short quick answer;

    1. For many products, the artist doesn't create the promos so and an outside firm like Sympatico Studios uses some of tens of thousands of digital assets and do scores of versions before one is accepted. It is painfuly hard to keep track of what was used out the various products used in version 17 and most artists don't keep lists of items used.
    2. Many products use either extensively kitbashed, products from other stores, or products not commercially available in promos since they aren't the product being sold. They can't be listed in the "following product (s)".
    3. The products have to manually added to the webpage, provided the artist and promo provide the info but the team doing this is small so they do their best.

    Those are all valid points that do not address what the OP is asking.

    I should have added that since the metadata has to be added manually, the links to applicable products also has to be added manually.... which is slow.  

  • Prince WaoPrince Wao Posts: 373
    nemesis10 said:
    Gordig said:
    nemesis10 said:
    IceScribe said:
    I should have added that since the metadata has to be added manually, the links to applicable products also has to be added manually.... which is slow.  

    I self-publish and when a new title is uploaded to Amazon I have to input the tags (metadata) pre-upload so that the product shows up in the right catergories when customers search. I'm surprised that DS doesn't have a parallel system for PAs. It's a similar scenario in "My Daz 3D Library" as props end up under environments, vice versa, some poses end up not under Poses, at least one hairstyle I have appears in acategory of its own, and I'm amazed at how many folders I have which contain folders which contain folders which contain folders none of which have anything in them! It's as if DS never had a practical filing system from the start.

    I recall some years ago when Bill Gates made a negative comment about GM, comparing the industries, someone replied:
     

    If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:

    1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

    2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

    3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason.  You would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue.

    For some reason you would simply accept this.

    4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

    5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only five percent of the roads.

    6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.

    7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.

    8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

    9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

    10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off."

    Well, if DS site and programme designers redid my home I'd have underspants in the freezer, my cooker in the lounge, food in a suticase atop a wardorbe, and some of my drawers would contain drawers that contain drawers that are always empty! laugh

     

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006

    Which suggested products are you referring to though? The ones on the store page? As far as I've ever noticed, those have been from the same vendor I'm looking at, as far as whether there is any tagging or selecting I don't know (I also don't know whether everyone sees the same thing). But if you say you are interested in add ons for a product you are looking at, there is already space on the product page for add ons specifically, it seems like it would be redundant to also have those be under suggested products.

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,939
    Prince Wao said:
    nemesis10 said:
    Gordig said:
    nemesis10 said:
    IceScribe said:
    I should have added that since the metadata has to be added manually, the links to applicable products also has to be added manually.... which is slow.  

    I self-publish and when a new title is uploaded to Amazon I have to input the tags (metadata) pre-upload so that the product shows up in the right catergories when customers search. I'm surprised that DS doesn't have a parallel system for PAs. It's a similar scenario in "My Daz 3D Library" as props end up under environments, vice versa, some poses end up not under Poses, at least one hairstyle I have appears in acategory of its own, and I'm amazed at how many folders I have which contain folders which contain folders which contain folders none of which have anything in them! It's as if DS never had a practical filing system from the start.

    I recall some years ago when Bill Gates made a negative comment about GM, comparing the industries, someone replied:
     

    If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:

    1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

    2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

    3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason.  You would have to pull to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue.

    For some reason you would simply accept this.

    4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

    5. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would run on only five percent of the roads.

    6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light.

    7. The airbag system would ask "Are you sure?" before deploying.

    8. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

    9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

    10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off."

    Well, if DS site and programme designers redid my home I'd have underspants in the freezer, my cooker in the lounge, food in a suticase atop a wardorbe, and some of my drawers would contain drawers that contain drawers that are always empty! laugh

     

    It is a complex mixture of age and price...  I am old enough to have seen various iterations of the Daz store, Renderosity's store, and Amazon's.  Amazon is as much an information store as a vendor; when it started, it was an online bookstore... now, it hosts much of the content of Apple, Microsoft etc... on its servers, sells everything from food to clothing.  For these small 3d stores, big expensive changes in software means the store disappears for weeks and the loss of a load of customers.  I expect that the software will be overhauled at some point but the changeover has always been traumatic....

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,910

    I think they just generate random suggestions 

  • IceScribeIceScribe Posts: 694

    Well, I see add-ons say what products they are designed for, not just the generation of model, but also specific wearables, for example. So there is a suit of armor and 3 other artists made textures for it. it's already 'coded' into the database what actually goes with the original piece.

    The add ons may not link to each other if different artist and different titles, but they are linked to the original product. So, no need to buy and repopulate new expensive database. The data is there, someone has to actually put it to use. How are those add ons linked? I imagine by the product/skew number. Not a big deal, no need to take down the software or expand, or spend $$$$. Just a different query.

  • plasma_ringplasma_ring Posts: 1,027

    I have no idea how their specific system works but "you may also be interested in..." categories on shop sites are often populated with things other people with similar purchasing behavior bought recently. They're pretty accurate on a large scale, but customers don't see it working at a large scale so it sometimes looks nonsensical. 

  • IceScribeIceScribe Posts: 694

    @plasma_ring,

    ah, that is understandable, if kind of weird for "Art", that  the "suggested products" are driven by other people's purchases regardless of whether the products actually have anything to do with the viewed item.  I guess that works for teens who want to look identical to their friends with makeup and clothes, but for Art?. How in the world that that make sales sense? Rhetorical question. I guess my OP is answered. 

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    Prince Wao said:
     

    10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off."

    Somewhat off-topic: Actually, I'm seeing that this actually has happened with cars manufactured in the last 5 or 6 years.

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