Clothing in Abomination Promo
Steel Rat
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Hello All,
I'm looking for the pants the Abomination is wearing in the promo images here: https://www.daz3d.com/the-abomination-hd-for-genesis-8-male
I did a shop search for Clothing and filtered in G8 Male, and nothing even close was in that selection. I find this quite often in the store, and think that a product shouldn't be posted unless ALL of the items used in the promo are listed, even if they're from a different site. If they don't want to do that, then promo images should only use DAZ products.
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@Steel Rat
Your search was too narrow. https://www.daz3d.com/survivor-for-genesis-3-male-s . That may be a source of your appraent "quite often issue"
You can probably turn off your rant now.
This has been covered extensively in other threads over the ages. The bottom line is that DAZ can only be responsible for the items that they create and own 100% which if far from all the items they carry in the store. For the items created by PA's, DAZ has no control over how they come by their promos and some of them use custom made items, items from other stores, 3rd party artists to create them and so on. Advertising products for other stores is against DAZ's policy (and seriously, rightly so.) as they are a business and need to sell their own stuff in order to stay around for us - NOT endlessly promote other stores' stuff. I am only commenting because I *used to* feel the same way you stated in your post. I felt pretty strongly about it, in fact. But after a few years of reading all the explanations I get it now. I am cool with it. I like this hobby and I spend a fair amount of money and loads of time at it. I like that DAZ is still around while other 3D stores have gone out of business and their prices are very reasonable. I also shop at other 3D sites. I have found that here in the forums asking tactful, polite questions about "What item is this? Where did that come from" will get AMAZING results. Seems like there is always someone somewhere who has used this or that, or at least saw it somewhere and happy to share the info with us all.
And not to sound like a jerk, but stating how DAZ *should* run their business the way one person thinks they should (very differently than they do), or not at all is well, not very realistic. A real jerk would say "Just don't shop here then if they don't do it right." but I am glad you are here, and part of the DAZ family. The more of us there are, the more we share, the more we grow, the better it is for everyone. That said, I do have stores I simply will not shop at because I don't like how they do things, but it never occured to me to instruct them to change their business model. <shrug>
@Gogger, Look at you! All enlightened and stuff!
So, my "rant" seems to have been correct. The item used in the promo IS in the Daz store, but was not included in the product description. It's also for a different figure (G3 vs G8).
Since Daz doesn't allow reviews, it is incumbent upon them to make sure the product info is correct and that anything included in the promo images is accounted for. This isn't rocket science. I'm sure they pay people to prepare these products.
As for "advertising" products from other sites, why wouldn't you? It's going to help sell your own products. It's not an either/or choice, it's an "in addition to" choice.
Not always. Someone with a limited budget might say, "oh, that character's nice but I really, really need that outfit, but I can't afford both, so I'll pick up that item from the other store now and hopefully I can grab this character later when it's cheaper...".
-- Walt Sterdan
Please stop with the ranting. this has been discussed many times and there are legit reasons why it doesn't always happen and why it shouldn't be enforced by DAZ
Excepting products Daz have actively commissioned (which is a small minority of those on the store), they do not. The store is primarily a marketplace that sellers can use, not a retail outlet.
The promo renders are done at the expense of the individual seller, either themselves or people they've paid/bribed to assist. Because they can be done over a course of months, while developing several other products, and potentially rendered by several different people, and then many of those promos end up discarded because the product had to be updated/edited or they just didn't like how that particular image came out... under these circumstances, keeping track of everything in every image becomes exceptionally time consuming.
People have explained repeatedly why this doesn't happen, why this won't happen, and why this will continue not to happen. You may want to make your peace with it and focus on other matters.
Alright, no products from other sites. Got it. But in this particular case, it's a DAZ product that's not mentioned in the product info.
I've been rendering for 15 years. I don't find this argument plausible. You either know what you used or you don't. But, again, in THIS particular case, the item is from Daz. I've seen the same artist use the same object in multiple products, and it's not mentioned in those either. It's a disservice to the consumer.
The promo images for an item in the Daz store exist to promote that item, and nothing else. The only issues I have with promo images is when they create uncertainty about what is or is not included in the product being offered. Frankly, I find some people’s insistence that they deserve to know every single component of a promo image a bit loony.
You've kind of contradicted yourself there. The item I'm talking about has created just that uncertainty you have issue with.
I'm not talking about something in the distant background that maybe you can almost see. I'm talking about something the primary figure being sold is wearing. I would have liked to buy that too, but couldn't find it.
the vendors themselves may not know what items are featured in the promos.
as matt castle said, PAs often hire independent artists to make their promo images for them. those artists are generally busy people with huge content libraries. they might not even remember where a cool piece of clothing or a prop came from...let alone have links to those items at hand.
but the people in the forums are very helpful if you need help identifying an outfit or something--as you've just seen in fastbike1's post above.
speaking of: i notice that you didn't bother to thank fastbike1 for helping you.
in the future, you might want to remember that 'please' and 'thank you' are appreciated--and remembered--by the forum users here, just as they are everywhere else.
j
How does the fact that the figure is wearing pants create uncertainty about what’s included? Certainly nothing about the product name or promo copy suggest that they are.
Becuase no pants are mentioned in the text or Notes section.
You're right. I should have thanked him. I was kind of put off by his "rant" statement, but that doesn't excuse me for not being polite.
Thanks fastbike1 for helping me locate that item. Much appreciated!
Daz should have a standard that is followed when new products are added. To me, it's that simple.
You have your view on how you think it should be done.
But many has a different view on that, including me.
I question how much of a delay that would really be.
In what way is my "standard" unreasonable? I don't buy the "artists don't know all their content" argument. I have probably over 100 gigs of Poser and Daz content I've purchased over more than 15 years. Would I know where I bought an item from 15 years ago? Maybe not, but I could find it, if it were still for sale. And if it's Daz content, I can look in my product library, shows me my order number. Not difficult. But we're talking about all pretty recent stuff. And again, in this particular case, the pants item is being used in promo images for other products as well, but not listed.
I mean, at a basic level, don't you want to know what items are being used in the promo images so you can buy them?
No, I rarely have a need to know what is being used in a promo image. i can appreciate the items used are listed, but there is no way i would ever insist that PAs do this under mandate.
I won't get into answering if you are being unreasonable, but I don't share your view on this either.
Whether or not it's reasonable is a matter of opinion. I've been a vendor before, I know what's reasonable to me and to customers I've encountered. I have had no problem, as a content supplier, adhering to such a standard. To me it's a matter of professionalism.
I would like to know what Daz's standards are in this respect, but I guess they don't respond to forum posts.
But I see I'm getting nowhere. I wonder why Daz even lists other products in the notes of a product description at all?