If you bought an Nvidia 2xxx now is a good time to kick yourself in the...
StratDragon
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this is why I never buy high end first gen stuff:
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Except one has no idea when these cards will be coming and then, when Iray will support them, and then when Studio will be updated to use that Iray version. And the RTX20XX owners will be happily rendering away.
Troll topic.
Why? My 2080ti is great and I have already gotten months of good use out of it. If the new cards turn out to be all that is rumoured, I'll just upgrade t and use the 2080ti for my displays or for one of my other computers...
No need to kick anyone. Much less myself.
TD
Note that those are rumours, not definite facts that have been announced by nVidia.
Gosh, I am kicking myself for coughing up money for an Intel 80386DX-40 all those years ago, who'd have thunk it, they developed the darn thing into 'bigger and better' .. shucks I feel like such a rube ...
Also, if the 3080ti is 800 or 900, that would be wonderful. I would just upgrade to 3080ti once it's supported by Iray and put the 2080ti into another computer.
These kind of "leaks" are meant to cause chin-wagging around the tech community (free marketing).
One of the two sources that are mentioned, dates from April 2018, the other one keeps their resources very vague.
I am very interested at AMD's future endeavors, as they seem to be making progress in upping up their game lately!
Yep.. and when they drop, it's a great time to upgrade.. someone gets a year old 2080ti, and I get to make the render server go a bit quicker.. so win/win really.
I have a 2080Ti card in my machine and a cheap 1650 so I can watch tutorials as I render. I've been very happy with the performance improvements with the 2080Ti. If 3080s came out tomorrow, I'd happily upgrade the 1650 to a 3080 and still not regret buying that 2080Ti. My only regret is not running 2 vid cards sooner.
Just about everyone who comes here has chosen an expensive hobby. With technology, you can either wait and wait and wait for the next best thing and become frustrated with the hardware that you have, or you can bite the bullet, buy the tech that you want and then spend that time enjoying it. I added a 2080ti to my machine in August and if the 3xxx series were to come out tomorrow, it wouldn't detract from the enjoyment and time saving that I am getting. No matter what comes out in the next few months in terms of hardware, I know that I won't be upgrading again for a couple of years.
Anyway, yes they are rumors, but the rumors are being fulled in many ways by AMD's 7nm architecture which run cooler and require less power, can take advantage of PCIe4 boards. Turing cards (and I own one) are still using the 12nm manufacturing process that was outlined 6 years ago and finally implemented in 2017. Nvidia is partnering with Samsung (dig on google you can find official press releases) for 7nm assemblies. Navi architecture allows 32 texture processes for a cycle (AMD calls it a wave) which is roughly 4 times what was possible in previous iterations of AMD cards using the same API that developers already use.
Long term Nvidia is looking to make smaller more mobile devices requiring less power and space and IMHO to compete with AMD they will need address the limitations of the touring architecture for this role vs what AMD has already released.
https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2019-10-07-amd-introduces-radeon-rx-5500-series-graphics-superior-visual-fidelity
If you can afford such a expensive card to begin with then seeing a much more capable card much cheaper shouldn't be a surprise especially after just such a pattern in the past 40 years of consumer computing has been established already. I wouldn't bother sticking with more expensive plans just because they were already paid for when cheaper, more durable, more capable, and more expandable plans are available if you can afford the new cheaper prices (which you probably can if you already could afford the more expensive prices).
You buy in at the time of release, ie this time last year. And play the skip-a-generation game. Same as its always been buying gfx cards.
But, yeah, last years RTX cards were a bad buy as there was no game support [and daz iray for that matter]
Edit: What I mean, is people on the 9xx cards wont have had any choice but to upgrade last year.
How long did it take for Iray to get updated to the 20x0 cards? A year? So, how long do you think it will be until IRay is updated to 30*0 cards? So, no. I'm not going o kick myself in the yambag.
...indeed, I still remember all the hype on the tech sites that the the 980Ti going to 8 GB of VRAM.
When I get that windfall I'm waiting for, I'll go with a Titan RTX instead.
...however unless you are using LuxCore or AMD's pro render (neither of which have a plugin/interface for Daz) their advances are pretty moot for us.
I think unless you're a baller who can afford xx80 + cards, you shouldn't buy them, i.e. no credit, no saving up. They're not worth it. Why? Because you'll have that much power for half the price inside 18 months. Not sure how long it will continue but it seems to be the rule right now.
The only objection I can add to my own comment here is that none of us are getting younger and 18 months is a very long time!
*pats self on back*
I just sold my iMac and was itching to use the cash towards a new 2070 Super. Then I read about Ampere and I know I should wait but - oh the temptation. There are still questions in my mind though ... such as will Ampere cards work with older generation motherboards? Mine is LGA1151 spec and I believe that still supports the 20XX range but will it support the 30XX cards? Another consideration is VRAM. My 1070 8GB is now falling back to CPU at the slightest excuse. Even with a modest size scene and most certainly with 4.12 which doesn't need an excuse to flip to CPU.
That last observation is increasingly to the forefront of my thinking these days.
Yes, Ampere will work with previous generation motherboards. Pcie is always backwards compatible with the previous version. So pcie 3.0 cards still work in pcie 2.0 and even 1.0. They may suffer a slight penalty by being limited by the bandwidth that the previous generation offers, but its not drastic. And so pcie 4.0 will also work with 3.0 motherboards. We haven't even tapped out the bandwidth of 3.0 aside from very specific situations, so using a 4.0 in a 3.0 will not be an issue at all in most cases. And yes, you could even plug a brand new GPU into a 10+ year old PC as long as it meets the power requirements. The power supply needed is of more concern than the motherboard in this regard.
The only possible exception is multi-GPU setups, but that is pure speculation and that also would depend on if Iray needs to be updated to use that bandwidth between them.
If you bought Turing at launch, I wouldn't be mad. There is always new tech that will out date you. However I would strongly urge waiting if somebody is looking at buying something right now. But there is still time. Its not like Ampere is launch in January. It probably wont launch until the 2nd half of 2020, so it depends on how long you want to wait.
I for one believe that Ampere will mostly hit the targets in the rumors. That is is because Nvidia HAS to. AMD and Intel are also releasing GPUs in 2020, and competition will be fierce. So Nvidia cannot screw around. They have to deliver both performance AND value to stay on top in 2020 or the whole entire market could flip on them like AMD has flipped the CPU market against Intel.
btw this was not a "you 2xxx guys got played" thread if it came off a such. I'm very happy with the performance of the 1660ti fitted into a 2010 mac pro. Despite it throttled by the limits of decade old PCIe and an equally ancient ATI 5770 occupying the lower slot this thing has surpassed my expectations and allowed be to get back into Studio and more importantly see what I'm doing with Iray before I commit to a render, something I could never do with LuxRender I have a pair of Xeon 5670 2.9GHz six core CPU's to replace the stock two 2.4 quad cores that should be arriving tonight to give a little more ballance to CPU heavy processes, but I have other hobbies that will prevent me from getting a monster GPU any time in the near future even if they do sell for less at release.
Well, the best thing is never to buy any technical gadget... because it will be outdated very soon ;)
I'm happy with my 2x 2080ti GPUs and they will be still good if the 3080ti GPUs will come out.
For a professional artist doing a lot of renders on his local machine, the upgrade from a 1080ti to a 2080ti is earned back in a matter of months, if not weeks, just from the massive increase in renderspeed. Even upgrading from a 1080ti to a 2080ti right now, instead of waiting for more than a year before the 3080ti gets released and properly supported by Daz Studio will be easily earned back.
Sure, it's nice to look at the future, but we don't live in the future yet, and the 30xx series is still distant enough to not care about it yet, except maybe to start putting some money aside for when it happens. And then we'll have to see how much of an upgrade it'd be anyway.
i just bought a system i could afford..it has a 2070 Super ... it makes me very happy.
Yeah, if you bought the 2080ti, you're fine. It's still an upgrade. If you haven't made the leap yet, it might be worth considering to wait and see if the current cards go down in price, but not too long. What with AMD and Intel nipping at Nvidia's heels there should be more substantive news by the end 2019.