Is this rig good for Daz Studio ? and any recommendations.

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    I see, Coolermaster has way too many products that have H500 for the name. This is the exact one I got. https://www.newegg.com/gunmetal-cooler-master-mastercase-h500-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811119350#fullInfo

    They look pretty much identical. There is no mention of USB-C on either listing (including the H500P. I don't use it so I am not sure if mine has it. If USB-C is the only difference, I'm ok with that for $60. Mine has a mesh front, too, with an optional clear plastic front cover should you enjoy baking your equipment, LOL.

    Anyway, Nvidia has something BIG planned for E3. They are teasing something called "Super", which is about a silly name as it can be, but there is something up. With AMD showing off Navi at E3, Nvidia will be responding with this Super thing. Rumors suggest that Nvidia is going to show updated 2070 and 2080's, and there is a very good chance that these cards may see a price drop. I think the 2060 might as well.

    So like I said, what AMD does can effect us with Daz. AMD releasing Navi is pushing Nvidia to respond with something. Whatever it is, this is why competition is so important, and why we should root for AMD to do well even if we are using Nvidia for Iray.

    E3 is just a week away. So we will find out what's up.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    The most plausible theory of what super is, is an RTX refresh adding PCIE 4 support. 

    I'm not at home but I charge my phone through my computer, I must have the cable plugged in the back.

    I think the big difference between the various H500's is the material used in construction and the actual size. NewEgg says the H500P mesh is a little larger in every dimension.

  • DripDrip Posts: 1,238

    I just ordered a new computer myself, since the one I'm typing on might give up any day now (I'm really hoping it'll hold out 'till I get my new one, but already took precautions in case it doesn't, that's how bad it is.)

    Anyway, the key components I picked:
    Nvidia RTX 2070 (since 2080 was far out of budget)
    AMD Ryzen 5 2600x
    MSI B450-A Pro motherboard

    Why are these my key components? Well, the Ryzen 5 should suffice for my purposes: amateur rendering and gaming. But, in case I do feel I need more sometime, I can have the motherboard's bios flashed, and replace the Ryzen processor with one from the next generation (all B450 and X470 motherboards from major brands that I checked seem to allow for this). It won't allow for all the new features of the 30xx CPUs, but should still give a more than decent boost in performance. And, it'll buy me a lot of time to save up for such an expense. Though, I'm used to iRay CPU rendering till now, so I suspect I'll find the improvement I got with my purchase to be satisfying enough to not bother with such an upgrade.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,815
    daveso said:

    I have secured financing form Cyberpower .... this rig I can maybe afford ... $1600 over a fairly long period which would also stop any future DS content until its paid off ... 
    If anything can be changed for better but remaining at or less in price, please state. thanks

    *BASE_PRICE:[+1275] I upgrsaded ram from 16>32gig and the GPU from 1660 to RTX 2070

             CASE:Cooler Master MasterBox 5t Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass Window Panel
    **** CPU:AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz [4.3GHz Turbo] Eight-Core 20MB Cache 105W Processor
             CS_FAN:Default case fans
             FAN:Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
    **** HDD:240GB WD Green SSD + 2TB SATA III Hard Drive Combo (Combo Drive)
             KEYBOARD:CyberPowerPC RGB 7 Color Premium Gaming Keyboard
    ***** MEMORY:32GB (8GBx4) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory [+120] (ADATA XPG Z1)
             MOTHERBOARD:MSI X470 GAMING PLUS AM4 ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, Gbt LAN, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
             MOUSE:CyberPowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
             NETWORK:Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
            OS:Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
             POWERSUPPLY:600 Watts - Standard 600Watts 80 Plus Gold high-efficient Power Supply
            SOUND:HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO VIDEO:
    **** GeForce® RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6 (Turing) [VR Ready] [+231] (Single Card) _

    PRICE:(+1626) 

    You might consider doing a little more checking, and look at the memorial day sales.  These are the "Early" weekend sales.  They might have additional ones on Monday.  For something like Daz, you could consider going down a notch or two on the CPU.  Here is a pretty closely comperable cyberpower system, 32 gb ram, 480 gb SSD, 3 TB hard drive (seperate), same GPU, price is $1522.00.

    • *BASE_PRICE: [+1005]
    • Memorial Featured Promotions: None
    • Gaming Chassis: Syber M Series 2.0 ATX Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, & Side-Panel Window
    • Laser Engraving: None
    • Laser Engraving Message: None
    • Lighting: None
    • Extra Case Fans: Default case fans
    • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz [4.3GHz Turbo] Eight-Core 20MB Cache 105W Processor [+30]
    • Freebie of Processor: None
    • Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking: No Overclocking
    • CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
    • Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits: None
    • Motherboard: MSI X470 GAMING PLUS AM4 ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, Gbt LAN, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
    • RAM / System Memory: 32GB (8GBx4) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory [+180] (ADATA XPG Z1)
    • Video Card: GeForce® RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6 (Turing) [VR Ready] [+231] (Single Card)
    • Freebie of Video Card: None
    • Sli Bridge: None
    • EVGA Power: None
    • HTC VIVE Virtual reality Headset: None
    • Video Capture Card: None
    • Power Supply: 600 Watts - Standard 600Watts 80 Plus Gold high-efficient Power Supply
    • Primary Hard Drive: 480GB ADATA SU630-480G SATA-III 6 Gb/s SSD - Seq R/W: Up to 520/500 MB/s, Rnd R/W up to 40/75k [-19] (Single Drive)
    • Secondary Hard Drive: 3TB (3TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+95] (Single Drive)
    • External Storage: None
    • Optical Drive: None
    • WiDi Router: None
    • Internal Wireless Network Card: None
    • Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
    • Monitor: None
    • Projector: None
    • Cables: None
    • Speakers: None
    • Internal Network Card: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
    • Keyboard: None
    • Mouse: CyberPowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
    • Mouse Pad: None
    • Headset: None
    • Microphone: None
    • Controllers: None
    • Gaming Apparel: None
    • Gaming Gear: None
    • Internal USB Expansion Module: None
    • Wireless Routers/Hubs: None
    • Video Camera: None
    • Power & Surge Protection: None
    • USB Hub & Port: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
    • External Accessories: None
    • Operating System: Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
    • Professional Wiring: None
    • Ultra Care Option: None
    • Warranty: STANDARD WARRANTY: 1 Year Parts WARRANTY
    • Service: 3 Years FREE Service Plan (INCLUDES LABOR AND LIFETIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT)
    • Rush Service: Standard processing time: ship within 5 to 10 Business Days
    • *_PRICE: (+1522)

    its crazy how much churning and swapping needs to be done. Its just like DAZ sales.

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    Whatever Nvidia is doing, they have done a tremendous job keeping it secret so far. Nobody expected this.

    I think a PCIe 4.0 refresh would be quite weak, to be honest. They may indeed be 4.0, it would be logical, but it would not be enough to use the term "Super". I know companies like to hype things and all, but there has to be a little something more to earn that title. Not to mention I am not sure what benefit 4.0 would be for these cards since they were not designed for it. But if they see a boost, that would be a real coup for AMD since they are the only one with CPU that supports 4.0 for now. Keep in mind that Nvidia refreshed several GPUs over the last few years, and did things like using GDDR5X memory in lower tier cards like the 1060. While they refreshed these, they never added silly names like Super to them. So with that in mind I think there is a chance they will do something, like boost clocks more or maybe even add a few CUDA cores for well binned cards.

    The biggest thing however is the potential for a price drop for existing RTX cards. This would be great news for a lot of people here. If the 2070 and 2080 drop $100 that would be fantastic. If the 2070 drops a full $100, then I would expect the 2060 to drop some, too, or it would be sitting a bit too close to the 2070 price wise. Some models of the 2060 ARE $400, LOL. So I would expect the 2060 to drop about $40 or $50 *if* the 2070 does indeed drop to $400.

  • DripDrip Posts: 1,238
    daveso said:
    daveso said:

    I have secured financing form Cyberpower .... this rig I can maybe afford ... $1600 over a fairly long period which would also stop any future DS content until its paid off ... 
    If anything can be changed for better but remaining at or less in price, please state. thanks

    *BASE_PRICE:[+1275] I upgrsaded ram from 16>32gig and the GPU from 1660 to RTX 2070

             CASE:Cooler Master MasterBox 5t Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Tempered Glass Window Panel
    **** CPU:AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz [4.3GHz Turbo] Eight-Core 20MB Cache 105W Processor
             CS_FAN:Default case fans
             FAN:Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
    **** HDD:240GB WD Green SSD + 2TB SATA III Hard Drive Combo (Combo Drive)
             KEYBOARD:CyberPowerPC RGB 7 Color Premium Gaming Keyboard
    ***** MEMORY:32GB (8GBx4) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory [+120] (ADATA XPG Z1)
             MOTHERBOARD:MSI X470 GAMING PLUS AM4 ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, Gbt LAN, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
             MOUSE:CyberPowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
             NETWORK:Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
            OS:Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
             POWERSUPPLY:600 Watts - Standard 600Watts 80 Plus Gold high-efficient Power Supply
            SOUND:HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO VIDEO:
    **** GeForce® RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6 (Turing) [VR Ready] [+231] (Single Card) _

    PRICE:(+1626) 

    You might consider doing a little more checking, and look at the memorial day sales.  These are the "Early" weekend sales.  They might have additional ones on Monday.  For something like Daz, you could consider going down a notch or two on the CPU.  Here is a pretty closely comperable cyberpower system, 32 gb ram, 480 gb SSD, 3 TB hard drive (seperate), same GPU, price is $1522.00.

    • *BASE_PRICE: [+1005]
    • Memorial Featured Promotions: None
    • Gaming Chassis: Syber M Series 2.0 ATX Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, & Side-Panel Window
    • Laser Engraving: None
    • Laser Engraving Message: None
    • Lighting: None
    • Extra Case Fans: Default case fans
    • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz [4.3GHz Turbo] Eight-Core 20MB Cache 105W Processor [+30]
    • Freebie of Processor: None
    • Venom Boost Fast And Efficient Factory Overclocking: No Overclocking
    • CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ Copper Cold Plate (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
    • Coolant for Cyberpower Xtreme Hydro Water Cooling Kits: None
    • Motherboard: MSI X470 GAMING PLUS AM4 ATX w/ RGB, USB 3.1, Gbt LAN, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 6 SATA3, 2 M.2 SATA/PCIe
    • RAM / System Memory: 32GB (8GBx4) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory [+180] (ADATA XPG Z1)
    • Video Card: GeForce® RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6 (Turing) [VR Ready] [+231] (Single Card)
    • Freebie of Video Card: None
    • Sli Bridge: None
    • EVGA Power: None
    • HTC VIVE Virtual reality Headset: None
    • Video Capture Card: None
    • Power Supply: 600 Watts - Standard 600Watts 80 Plus Gold high-efficient Power Supply
    • Primary Hard Drive: 480GB ADATA SU630-480G SATA-III 6 Gb/s SSD - Seq R/W: Up to 520/500 MB/s, Rnd R/W up to 40/75k [-19] (Single Drive)
    • Secondary Hard Drive: 3TB (3TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+95] (Single Drive)
    • External Storage: None
    • Optical Drive: None
    • WiDi Router: None
    • Internal Wireless Network Card: None
    • Sound: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
    • Monitor: None
    • Projector: None
    • Cables: None
    • Speakers: None
    • Internal Network Card: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
    • Keyboard: None
    • Mouse: CyberPowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse
    • Mouse Pad: None
    • Headset: None
    • Microphone: None
    • Controllers: None
    • Gaming Apparel: None
    • Gaming Gear: None
    • Internal USB Expansion Module: None
    • Wireless Routers/Hubs: None
    • Video Camera: None
    • Power & Surge Protection: None
    • USB Hub & Port: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
    • External Accessories: None
    • Operating System: Windows 10 Home (64-bit Edition)
    • Professional Wiring: None
    • Ultra Care Option: None
    • Warranty: STANDARD WARRANTY: 1 Year Parts WARRANTY
    • Service: 3 Years FREE Service Plan (INCLUDES LABOR AND LIFETIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT)
    • Rush Service: Standard processing time: ship within 5 to 10 Business Days
    • *_PRICE: (+1522)

    its crazy how much churning and swapping needs to be done. Its just like DAZ sales.

    Not to mention, untill the very moment you send your choice to checkout, you just keep looking around for better deals, including pre-built rigs, just because this stuff changes so fast every day, if not every hour.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805

    Whatever Nvidia is doing, they have done a tremendous job keeping it secret so far. Nobody expected this.

    I think a PCIe 4.0 refresh would be quite weak, to be honest. They may indeed be 4.0, it would be logical, but it would not be enough to use the term "Super". I know companies like to hype things and all, but there has to be a little something more to earn that title. Not to mention I am not sure what benefit 4.0 would be for these cards since they were not designed for it. But if they see a boost, that would be a real coup for AMD since they are the only one with CPU that supports 4.0 for now. Keep in mind that Nvidia refreshed several GPUs over the last few years, and did things like using GDDR5X memory in lower tier cards like the 1060. While they refreshed these, they never added silly names like Super to them. So with that in mind I think there is a chance they will do something, like boost clocks more or maybe even add a few CUDA cores for well binned cards.

    The biggest thing however is the potential for a price drop for existing RTX cards. This would be great news for a lot of people here. If the 2070 and 2080 drop $100 that would be fantastic. If the 2070 drops a full $100, then I would expect the 2060 to drop some, too, or it would be sitting a bit too close to the 2070 price wise. Some models of the 2060 ARE $400, LOL. So I would expect the 2060 to drop about $40 or $50 *if* the 2070 does indeed drop to $400.

    The big boost would be in just having it as a marketing point. Once there are more devices on the market things could really open up. A GPU only needs a x8 connection on PCIE 4 so that could open up a lot of multi GPU setups for gamers etc.

    I think its highly unlikely they'd call price cut cards "super" nor things like low end cards with DDR instead of GDDR. Adding more CUDA isn't really possible. The CUDA count depends on the number of streaming multiprocessors, SM, on the chip and those chips take a long time to design. I strongly doubt Nvidia would be bringing new chips to market with minor changes like another SM or the like.

  • kenshaw011267kenshaw011267 Posts: 3,805
    Drip said:

    I just ordered a new computer myself, since the one I'm typing on might give up any day now (I'm really hoping it'll hold out 'till I get my new one, but already took precautions in case it doesn't, that's how bad it is.)

    Anyway, the key components I picked:
    Nvidia RTX 2070 (since 2080 was far out of budget)
    AMD Ryzen 5 2600x
    MSI B450-A Pro motherboard

    Why are these my key components? Well, the Ryzen 5 should suffice for my purposes: amateur rendering and gaming. But, in case I do feel I need more sometime, I can have the motherboard's bios flashed, and replace the Ryzen processor with one from the next generation (all B450 and X470 motherboards from major brands that I checked seem to allow for this). It won't allow for all the new features of the 30xx CPUs, but should still give a more than decent boost in performance. And, it'll buy me a lot of time to save up for such an expense. Though, I'm used to iRay CPU rendering till now, so I suspect I'll find the improvement I got with my purchase to be satisfying enough to not bother with such an upgrade.

    It's not a big hit on your budget but the 2600 and 2600x are effectively identical. I'd never recommend anyone buy the X variant of any Ryzen chip, this may change with Ryzen 3000 I have to see nechmarks to know.

  • ArgleSWArgleSW Posts: 148

    Because your video card has 8GB of VRAM, you can render way larger scenes. But if you only have 16GB of RAM, your renders could frequently crash or fail. I run a 1080Ti, when I upgraded from 16GB of RAM to 32GB, it was a huge difference. I can load way more objects in the scene, render at much higher resolutions, and no crashes. With 16GB of RAM, stability was completely broken. I think if you use a mid-range card, than 16GB of RAM is enough. Its only when you have a high end GPU with 8GB+ of VRAM where 32GB of RAM is crucial.

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