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  • PsyckosamaPsyckosama Posts: 510
    kyoto kid said:
    cdpro_2831bbd990 said:
    12 years of age maybe 13. Kids of that age have a lot of different looks. As to Bridget, I'd say she is anywhere from 19 to 23.

    ...you pegged it correct.  When I first started visual work on the character I wanted her to have the apparent look of someone about 12 - 13 years old even though in the story she is in her late teens (an aging  condition known as neoteny). 

    The age range you note is about where I would place Bridget as well.

    Yep. A tween.

     

    DigitalSteam said:
    kyoto kid said:
    ...also from an older generation and teens like the girl in the picture were frequently referred to as "teeny boppers".  That particular girl has the apparent look of a 13 year old.  I did a a fair amount of research years ago with others using age and growth charts when we were working at creating teens and children from Vicky4 as there were no young Gen4 figures (until K4 appeared a few months before Genesis). If anything I would place Brigit at maybe 19 - 22.years old at the youngest.  The only detail that even remotely suggests "youth" in my eyes are the freckles and maybe the face shaping of the red hared character in the promos, certainly not her physique. 

    To clarify about AOC, Brigit's face face is pretty close to the right shape and with a little morphing and shaping using merchant resources, I probably could produce a very good likeness of the junior congresswoman.  When I first saw this image, using her for AOC came to mind.

      

    See, in that side by side, I'd say AOC looks at _least_ ten years older.  She doesn't have the puppy fat, the lines and angles are sharper and more defined, definitely a good deal older. 

    I'll defer to your research in matters of what 9 years olds actually look like today (which is very different from what nine years olds looked like 50 years ago, at least in the US) because I do basically everything in my power to avoid seeing or being near them, but, to me, the kid in the blue looks nine, and nobody where and when I grew up would have called anyone under 16 a teeny-bopper. But, hell, that could even be down to the ways specific regions, cities, or even extended families used the term.  Not like anyone was paying much attention to cataloging them back then. :)

    Also, I can't freekin' believe this has generated this much conversation. But it's cool... Conversation is good. :)

    A lot of that is due to ethnicity. She has a strong pre-columbian look about her.

  • DigitalSteamDigitalSteam Posts: 299

    Y'all have me stymied. My niece is 13, and if I were forced to guess, I'd guess 3-5 years older than this kid. My friend's daughter is, I think, 14, and I'd say looks 4-6 years older than this.  And when I think back to when three other daughters of friends were that age - it's pretty similar. A little more in one case, a little less in another, but none of the 13-year-olds I have seen in - well, in living memory - looked that young to me.   I'm just baffled.  Now I'll be wondering for days why I see her so differently from how you guys do.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,773
    DigitalSteam said:

    Y'all have me stymied. My niece is 13, and if I were forced to guess, I'd guess 3-5 years older than this kid. My friend's daughter is, I think, 14, and I'd say looks 4-6 years older than this.  And when I think back to when three other daughters of friends were that age - it's pretty similar. A little more in one case, a little less in another, but none of the 13-year-olds I have seen in - well, in living memory - looked that young to me.   I'm just baffled.  Now I'll be wondering for days why I see her so differently from how you guys do.

    How old are you? I can't really recall how girls looked in my day but the age of menarche, and associated physical chnages, has gone down by about two years over recent decades (source: something I read in the papers) so it's possible that older people may have a younger looking template for 13 year olds than younger people, or those looking at the current generation.

  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 2,540

    The middle school ages (11-13 or 14 in the US) are the ages when there is the most variation in children's physical, mental, and emotional maturity. Source: wisdom/advice from my fellow judges, most of them teachers (which I wasn't), when I volunteered as a state science fair judge. 

    (And yes, we judged projects by middle schoolers who looked 10, many who looked 12-13, and others who looked 15-16.)

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited March 2019

    Also of course, even in real life, depends on lighting, and ability with a camera.
    Same person at various ages, photos taken in various lights, with various different cameras,  but same girl in each photo. Last 3, the true teenage photos, at 15, hiding a brace,  at 16 being more used to the brace and 18, after the Brace had been removed.

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited March 2019
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

    Maybe I need new glasses, but I'd call this kid 8-10 years old o.O Granted, all Daz "kids" look like shrunken adults to me (IOW, wrong), but the face says YOUNG ;).

    Laurie

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited March 2019

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  • DigitalSteamDigitalSteam Posts: 299
    esha said:

    Yes, my Patchwork Shoes are for Genesis 3 and 8 (I have an older version for G2, too, but without Iray materials).

    https://www.daz3d.com/patchwork-shoes-sandals-1-2-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-genesis-8-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/patchwork-shoes-boots-3-and-4-for-genesis-3-and-8-female-s

    Texture addons: https://www.daz3d.com/fun-textures-for-patchwork-shoes-1-2

    https://www.daz3d.com/fun-textures-for-patchwork-shoes-3-and-4

    These are for G8, but they can be morphed between flat, medium and high heels: https://www.daz3d.com/all-season-shoes-for-genesis-8-females

    with texture addon: https://www.daz3d.com/all-season-shoes-texture-add-on

    And my Summer Dream Dress also includes shoes that can morph between high heels and flat: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-summer-dream-for-genesis-8-female-s

    plus texture addon: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-summer-dream-addon-textures

     

    That said, it is a pain to make shoes with morphing heel shapes, because the heels (and also the soles, if they're not super thin) need also to change their UV mapping when you morph them from high to flat. It requires a lot of planning and fiddling in all stages of production and I wouldn't want to do that for each single shoe product.

    Great googley moogley, I almost missed this in the age debate noise - those are going on the wishlist, to be sure, and thank you both for the links and the insights.  I still need a good selection of what my friends tend to call "lesbian shoes" when I wear them, as well as good work boots, hiking boots, etc. to match into things like space suits with stiletto high heels (I do have some, I just feel like I need more to be able to buy heeled outfits without carefully searching to make sure I have shoes to go with it... my god, I sound like my wife talking about _her_ shoes more than I do an artist talking about stock.

    Anyway, these are a very valuable addition to the arsenal - thank you again :)  And while we're at it, thank you, in general, for your tutorials. I've picked up several of those as part of my DAZ education program.  Now I just need to take a couple of months off and implement the program. ;)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,013
    edited March 2019
    AllenArt said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

    Maybe I need new glasses, but I'd call this kid 8-10 years old o.O Granted, all Daz "kids" look like shrunken adults to me (IOW, wrong), but the face says YOUNG ;).

    Laurie

    ...same exact character model with different clothing, lighting, and hairstyle. 

     

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  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057

    Fisty & Darc is my favorite vendor right now!  Here's to hoping they do more morphing heel shoe styles!

    https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-pumps-for-genesis-8-females

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    tj_1ca9500b said:

    Fisty & Darc is my favorite vendor right now!  Here's to hoping they do more morphing heel shoe styles!

    https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-pumps-for-genesis-8-females

    Yeh those are excellent

  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 2,540
    nicstt said:
    tj_1ca9500b said:

    Fisty & Darc is my favorite vendor right now!  Here's to hoping they do more morphing heel shoe styles!

    https://www.daz3d.com/amazing-morphing-pumps-for-genesis-8-females

    Yeh those are excellent

    I would get them if I were using G8. Oh well.

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