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Misleading Product Names - School Girl Poses - A hidden Gym set, bicycle & more

CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,576
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With so much stuff coming out these days, it's really easy to overlook a hidden gem, and the generic names of some products really don't do the content of the product justice.  Case in point:  disordercode's new School Girl Poses for Genesis 8 Females set.  I only happened to open the page for this product because I didn't recognize the bicyle used in the promo.  Surprise, the bicycle is part of the set, as are a set of gym bars, a desk, a carry bag and a bunch of other small props, not to mention a pile of poses for each item. So, given that I'm mainly buying the set for the props, perhaps a better product name would have been School Girl Props and Poses...?   

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  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342

    Spot on! I almost missed this one.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I noticed the props and poses were included for what its worth. 

  • Worlds_EdgeWorlds_Edge Posts: 2,153
    A forum comment brought it to my attention. I had missed it.
  • jedijuddjedijudd Posts: 606

    Thanks for this post,  I was just going to skip it to but know into my cart it goes

  • msam921msam921 Posts: 141
    edited March 2019

    'Tis why I always check the product descriptions. You never know what you might miss!

    Post edited by msam921 on
  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,784

    There is no way to name a pack that represents numerous props, characters, morphs and such combined. This is why you should always check what's included in the pack.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Good catch.

    Looking at the poses, many are generic. The bike and its poses are great for anyone regardless of age; and so too are others - as long as of a sporty persuasion.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,576
    frank0314 said:

    There is no way to name a pack that represents numerous props, characters, morphs and such combined. This is why you should always check what's included in the pack.

    Sure there is : if that was this set it would be Schoolgirl Poses, Props and Morphs for G8F  It doesn't tell you everything that's in there, but it at least it gives you a heads up of the type of products incliuded and it'll pull up on a google search.

    As for looking at what's included in every pack... there are currently over thirty thousand items in the DAZ store.  Who has the time to go through each and every one of them in detail?  Sure, you can go through the new releases as they come out, but will you remember that set A had a bookbag in it six months later? 

  • AJ2112AJ2112 Posts: 1,417
    msam921 said:

    'Tis why I always check the product descriptions. You never know what you might miss!

    +1

  • MisselthwaiteMisselthwaite Posts: 961

    The problem with leaving it to checking descriptions is that the preassumption is that all potential buyers, new and existing, are willing and able to check every single item in the catalogue for a single item they might need/desire.  If sales of primarily new items are the majority driver of sales , then this is not so much of an issue.  However, a list of Daz-searchable keywords attached to a package would make the issue - however relevant to sales numbers - vanish.

    As a side note, I find searching for items at Daz a very hit-or-miss (and VASTLY more miss) proposition.  If I need something specific, I usually end up somewhere else, where the search engine actually gives me some relevant results.  Mostly, I imagine this hurts vendors with back-catalogues more than Daz.

  • xyer0xyer0 Posts: 6,408
    Misselthwaite said:

    The problem with leaving it to checking descriptions is that the preassumption is that all potential buyers, new and existing, are willing and able to check every single item in the catalogue for a single item they might need/desire.  If sales of primarily new items are the majority driver of sales , then this is not so much of an issue.  However, a list of Daz-searchable keywords attached to a package would make the issue - however relevant to sales numbers - vanish.

    As a side note, I find searching for items at Daz a very hit-or-miss (and VASTLY more miss) proposition.  If I need something specific, I usually end up somewhere else, where the search engine actually gives me some relevant results.  Mostly, I imagine this hurts vendors with back-catalogues more than Daz.

    Hence the need for Daz to hire a resident anal retentive to categorise all the products in the store. Give them a corner where they can organise to their heart's content, and once a day they go through upcoming releases proofreading product page copy, linking associated products, and keywording all props & elements. Of course....

  • ALLIEKATBLUEALLIEKATBLUE Posts: 2,983

    Not misleading at all. It seems to be pretty clear in the description and the pictures I think

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006
    edited March 2019
    I also skipped over it because I wasn't really interested in this just for the pose set. There are plenty of pose sets that show items that work with the poses that aren't included, I don't trust myself to recognize 100% of the 3D bike models that have ever been available in the history of computers to immediately recognize that this particular bike was new. Other pose and prop sets in the store say poses and props, there certainly isn't a role to against it.
    Post edited by AlmightyQUEST on
  • em53em53 Posts: 32

    I guess no one remembers yet these were released for V4 back in 2011 as 3 separate products by halcyone, still available at Renderosity.

  • RainRain Posts: 353

    I’m really pleased that I bought it, it’s a great set!  

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,576
    xyer0 said:
    Misselthwaite said:

    The problem with leaving it to checking descriptions is that the preassumption is that all potential buyers, new and existing, are willing and able to check every single item in the catalogue for a single item they might need/desire.  If sales of primarily new items are the majority driver of sales , then this is not so much of an issue.  However, a list of Daz-searchable keywords attached to a package would make the issue - however relevant to sales numbers - vanish.

    As a side note, I find searching for items at Daz a very hit-or-miss (and VASTLY more miss) proposition.  If I need something specific, I usually end up somewhere else, where the search engine actually gives me some relevant results.  Mostly, I imagine this hurts vendors with back-catalogues more than Daz.

    Hence the need for Daz to hire a resident anal retentive to categorise all the products in the store. Give them a corner where they can organise to their heart's content, and once a day they go through upcoming releases proofreading product page copy, linking associated products, and keywording all props & elements. Of course....

    So true.  I have so many sets that I bought for certain knick knacks and peripherals htat weren't the main product, but I had a massive categories fail back in the day of the old content library system and I'm still finding things that I've been wondering where they were.  

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,576
    edited March 2019
    em53 said:

    I guess no one remembers yet these were released for V4 back in 2011 as 3 separate products by halcyone, still available at Renderosity.

    Obviously all new poses and textures, though, since niether G8F nor Iray existed then. 

    Post edited by Cybersox on
  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,299
    em53 said:

    I guess no one remembers yet these were released for V4 back in 2011 as 3 separate products by halcyone, still available at Renderosity.

    Not in halcyone's store AFAICS.

  • AlmightyQUESTAlmightyQUEST Posts: 2,006
    Oh I saw them yesterday. But, all the more reason not to assume that a prop shown in a promo is included in a product just called "poses" when it includes an updated version of an existing product.
  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 8,055

    It should have said poses and props

     

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,576
    Taoz said:
    em53 said:

    I guess no one remembers yet these were released for V4 back in 2011 as 3 separate products by halcyone, still available at Renderosity.

    Not in halcyone's store AFAICS.

    They used to be called SchoolGirl, SchoolGirl2 and SchoolGirl Expansion, but yeah. they're definitely not there anymore.   

  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 2,676
    Misselthwaite said:

    As a side note, I find searching for items at Daz a very hit-or-miss (and VASTLY more miss) proposition.  If I need something specific, I usually end up somewhere else, where the search engine actually gives me some relevant results.  Mostly, I imagine this hurts vendors with back-catalogues more than Daz.

    I hear you! I just bought a lovely harp from Daz. It's been around for years because it's not Iray and I only found it because someone linked to it in a thread about musician poses. I've made a number of searches for "Harp" on Daz & this one, with "Harp" in the name, never came up.

  • DareshiranuDareshiranu Posts: 282
    Cybersox said:

    With so much stuff coming out these days, it's really easy to overlook a hidden gem, and the generic names of some products really don't do the content of the product justice.  Case in point:  disordercode's new School Girl Poses for Genesis 8 Females set.  I only happened to open the page for this product because I didn't recognize the bicyle used in the promo.  Surprise, the bicycle is part of the set, as are a set of gym bars, a desk, a carry bag and a bunch of other small props, not to mention a pile of poses for each item. So, given that I'm mainly buying the set for the props, perhaps a better product name would have been School Girl Props and Poses...?   

    Or whether or not the props in a scene are static or not. Things like hospital beds for instance that one would expect to be positionable. From the descriptions I typically have no idea if that's possible or not, nor do the example renders reveal much. Or sets that on the face of it sound like a complete set, like a house or apartment, yet are actually only a room or two and missing key elements. Imagine being shown an apartment IRL that lacked all the basic amenities that so many environments here do. Sure you can get a bedroom here, a kitchen there but they don't often if ever line up or match in any respect.

    But honestly I think the hospital type scenery is what gets me the most. "Oh look, the doors move!". Well, what about the beds? I wouldv'e thought that was the question any reasonable person would be asking. You expect doors and sometimes windows to open/close.

  • DareshiranuDareshiranu Posts: 282

    And thanks for the heads-up. I don't even recall seeing that one. Very versitile looking.

  • em53em53 Posts: 32
    Cybersox said:

    They used to be called SchoolGirl, SchoolGirl2 and SchoolGirl Expansion, but yeah. they're definitely not there anymore.  

    That's interesting. I looked yesterday before I posted and they were there. Thats why I mentioned it. They must have pulled them right after.

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