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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,101

    maybe one needs a foot conformer with morphs like HatHead

  • Subtropic PixelSubtropic Pixel Posts: 2,388
    Cybersox said:

    Even though they're incredibly bad for a woman's long term health and cause over 100,000 trips to the emergency room per year in the U.S. alone, I have to admit that I do like the look of high heels.  That said, high heels on some things simply look ridiculous and/or stupidly dangerous, especially the nose-bleeders and stripper-platforms that many DAZ artists habitually use.  But hey, what are a few snapped ankles compared to all the other damaging and toxic things women regularly do to their bodies in order to fit our culture's increasingly unrealistic standard of what's considered attractive?  Just gimme those girls in high heels and swimsuits!     

    Back in the 1990s, I bought a ceramic statue of Batgirl as a 20-something young lady.  It's a great pose, with her flying rooftop with batarang in hand.  The high heel boots are a bit off-putting, however.  She should be wearing combat boots of some sort.  indecision

  • DigitalSteamDigitalSteam Posts: 299
    Divamakeup said:
    Wendy_Carrara said:

    the PA who creates the deheeler utility will do very well financially indeed.

    Considering footwear all have different geometry I doubt that such a product is possible.

    I asked a PA who's very good at make-this-fit-that add-ons, and she assured me it was beyond impractical, leaning toward all but impossible.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,101
    DigitalSteam said:
    Divamakeup said:
    Wendy_Carrara said:

    the PA who creates the deheeler utility will do very well financially indeed.

    Considering footwear all have different geometry I doubt that such a product is possible.

    I asked a PA who's very good at make-this-fit-that add-ons, and she assured me it was beyond impractical, leaning toward all but impossible.

     

    well thats it then, tell NASA not to bother trying to send a manned mission to Mars devil

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,101

    damn I wish I had the time to prove you wrong, I barely have time at the moment to start up my PC (on ipad typing this), a dollar the number of times people have told me something is impossible because they cannot think outside the box would make me wealthy enough to retire.

    I would create at least 3 child bones on my wedge heeled shoe base that using it as the source for the transfer utility on heeled shoes would transfer the weightmapping to.

    I could then rescale those child bones to shorten or zero any mesh assigned to them

    my issues are I am not a DAZ studio user in general so never really got into all the joint controlled morphs and fancy stuff that WONT WORK in my app of choice Carrara!

    doesn't mean I couldn't learn to do them or geografts another thing Carrara incompatible, I just so far have spent my energy finding workarounds against these DAZ studio features.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    I thought Esha had a whole series of shoes she made with various heel options.  You can't make a published artist make a flat option.  I tried that years ago when I asked Bobbie and she was clear that she liked making fantasy stuff so heels were not going away any time soon.  BUT in allot of cases you can find a flat pair of shoes and try to match the materials as much as possible with the outfit.  It does work most of the time!  

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,260
    Wendy_Carrara said:
    DigitalSteam said:
    Divamakeup said:
    Wendy_Carrara said:

    the PA who creates the deheeler utility will do very well financially indeed.

    Considering footwear all have different geometry I doubt that such a product is possible.

    I asked a PA who's very good at make-this-fit-that add-ons, and she assured me it was beyond impractical, leaning toward all but impossible.

     

    well thats it then, tell NASA not to bother trying to send a manned mission to Mars devil

    "Damn, all the space suits at DAZ we've been looking at have heels - we may have to give up the mission if no one can create a heel converter..."

  • eshaesha Posts: 3,261

    Yes, my Patchwork Shoes are for Genesis 3 and 8 (I have an older version for G2, too, but without Iray materials).

    https://www.daz3d.com/patchwork-shoes-sandals-1-2-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-genesis-8-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/patchwork-shoes-boots-3-and-4-for-genesis-3-and-8-female-s

    Texture addons: https://www.daz3d.com/fun-textures-for-patchwork-shoes-1-2

    https://www.daz3d.com/fun-textures-for-patchwork-shoes-3-and-4

    These are for G8, but they can be morphed between flat, medium and high heels: https://www.daz3d.com/all-season-shoes-for-genesis-8-females

    with texture addon: https://www.daz3d.com/all-season-shoes-texture-add-on

    And my Summer Dream Dress also includes shoes that can morph between high heels and flat: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-summer-dream-for-genesis-8-female-s

    plus texture addon: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-summer-dream-addon-textures

     

    That said, it is a pain to make shoes with morphing heel shapes, because the heels (and also the soles, if they're not super thin) need also to change their UV mapping when you morph them from high to flat. It requires a lot of planning and fiddling in all stages of production and I wouldn't want to do that for each single shoe product.

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,343

    Thanks for popping in Esha!  smiley

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,973
    edited February 2019
    DigitalSteam said:
    Divamakeup said:
    Wendy_Carrara said:

    the PA who creates the deheeler utility will do very well financially indeed.

    Considering footwear all have different geometry I doubt that such a product is possible.

    I asked a PA who's very good at make-this-fit-that add-ons, and she assured me it was beyond impractical, leaning toward all but impossible.

    Sickleyield? :D

    And yeah, I figured it might be out of the range of possibility - or at least highly difficult and not likely to happen. 

    esha said:

    Yes, my Patchwork Shoes are for Genesis 3 and 8 (I have an older version for G2, too, but without Iray materials).

    https://www.daz3d.com/patchwork-shoes-sandals-1-2-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-genesis-8-female-s

    https://www.daz3d.com/patchwork-shoes-boots-3-and-4-for-genesis-3-and-8-female-s

    Texture addons: https://www.daz3d.com/fun-textures-for-patchwork-shoes-1-2

    https://www.daz3d.com/fun-textures-for-patchwork-shoes-3-and-4

    These are for G8, but they can be morphed between flat, medium and high heels: https://www.daz3d.com/all-season-shoes-for-genesis-8-females

    with texture addon: https://www.daz3d.com/all-season-shoes-texture-add-on

    And my Summer Dream Dress also includes shoes that can morph between high heels and flat: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-summer-dream-for-genesis-8-female-s

    plus texture addon: https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-summer-dream-addon-textures

     

    That said, it is a pain to make shoes with morphing heel shapes, because the heels (and also the soles, if they're not super thin) need also to change their UV mapping when you morph them from high to flat. It requires a lot of planning and fiddling in all stages of production and I wouldn't want to do that for each single shoe product.

    Your Patchwork Sandals for G8 are my favorite shoes product. They are so versatile and work well with just about any type of outfit. I very much appreciate all the effort that must have gone into creating shoes that can do what they do. :) 

    I'm always impressed with the high level of quality and "bang for your buck" that one gets with your products. It feels like getting several great products in one! :D

    I somehow missed the "All Seasons Shoes" - so thank you for pointing those out. With all the material zones and heal options, it looks like you're getting like a dozen shoes in one product! Outstanding! I've wishlisted them and will be getting them once I stock up on store credit. :)

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  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 2,424

    Just remembered my other Heel Issue: When none of an outfit's promo images show exactly what kind of heel the footwear has. Like the new Fury Outfit https://www.daz3d.com/fury-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    Yes, I can tell from the feet poses that the boots aren't flat or low heel, but that's all. Are they stiletto, wedge, chunkier high heels, or something really odd? It is billed as SF after all. I think, from the big promo that these are high wedge heels. 

    Please, either include a shot that shows the shoe heels clearly, or name them something like "Stiletto Pumps" or "Wedge Boots ."

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 989

    I've been able to hide the heel using Surface/Cutout Opacity, but I can't seem to get the foot flat. I've tried different morphs, but the toes won't seem to even out. Is there any way to do this? 

  • DripDrip Posts: 1,237
    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Just remembered my other Heel Issue: When none of an outfit's promo images show exactly what kind of heel the footwear has. Like the new Fury Outfit https://www.daz3d.com/fury-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    Yes, I can tell from the feet poses that the boots aren't flat or low heel, but that's all. Are they stiletto, wedge, chunkier high heels, or something really odd? It is billed as SF after all. I think, from the big promo that these are high wedge heels. 

    Please, either include a shot that shows the shoe heels clearly, or name them something like "Stiletto Pumps" or "Wedge Boots ."

    To answer one question: they're fairly chunky heels with some platform. (I was pretty surprised at this, from the images, I suspected they were medium-height wedges).

     

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,861

    ...just picked up Predatron and Diane's Heroic Defender supersuit for G3F and it has boots with normal heels. 

  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 2,424
    evacyn said:

    I've been able to hide the heel using Surface/Cutout Opacity, but I can't seem to get the foot flat. I've tried different morphs, but the toes won't seem to even out. Is there any way to do this? 

    I am not an expert, but making the toes/foot invisible might be the fastest way. (In the scene tab, find the bon's for the character's feet or toes and click on the little eye icons next to the ones you want invisible)

    kyoto kid said:

    ...just picked up Predatron and Diane's Heroic Defender supersuit for G3F and it has boots with normal heels. 

    Thanks, I missed that one--something else to go in Wishlist.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,861

    ....60% off flash sale today got it for 5.03$

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited March 2019

    Well, at least these newly released outfits have reasonable heels...

    https://www.daz3d.com/farshadow-elf-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-cool-kitty-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-urban-adventure-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

     

    And all in the same pro bundle no less!  Bridget 8.  But of course, the 4th outfit in the bundle has high heels.

     

    Score one for the low heel team.  I'm sure that we'll see lots of high heels to make up for this anomoly in the coming weeks though!

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  • billyben_0077a25354billyben_0077a25354 Posts: 771

    I just take the easy way out.  Bought DX30's Flat boots 2 got G8 and oplay mix and match.  Also have a few other low heel/no heel shoes and retexture.  Nothing makes me more crazy than a female fighting costume with spike heels.

  • DigitalSteamDigitalSteam Posts: 299
    tj_1ca9500b said:

    Bridget 8.... Score one for the low heel team. 

    She's so young though... I wanna support the low heels, but I have basically no need for teenie-boppers. :)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,861
    edited March 2019

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

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  • DigitalSteamDigitalSteam Posts: 299
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

    AOC?

    That's not a teeny-bopper, that's a child. I think I'd be surprised to learn that kid's age had two digits to it at all. :)

    Must be one of those terms with different connotations in different places... or times - it seems it's meaning is quite different now than it was back when I used it, which was chronologically much closer to it's origins in the 60's than to MTV.

    There are a few Bridget images where she looks maybe as old as 20, but most of the images on the core page, I'd guess... 14-16. Absolutely not getting served without ID at any of my parties. :)

    But, then, that's a normal part of being old, too - looking at some young adult and thinking "What are you, six?" ;)

  • PsyckosamaPsyckosama Posts: 508

    It's dangerous to go alone.

    Take this.

    https://www.daz3d.com/summer-footwear-collection-genesis-2-3-8-female-s

    Seriously though, at least im y opinion you could easily remove the polys of the sole of a shoe and use the flats or low heals section from these to create both total flats and the kind of practical low-heal that is both attractive and deliciously unlikely to end in broken ankles if a lady were to walk over a grate.

  • DigitalSteamDigitalSteam Posts: 299
    edited March 2019
    Psyckosama said:

    It's dangerous to go alone.

    Take this.

    https://www.daz3d.com/summer-footwear-collection-genesis-2-3-8-female-s

    Seriously though, at least im y opinion you could easily remove the polys of the sole of a shoe and use the flats or low heals section from these to create both total flats and the kind of practical low-heal that is both attractive and deliciously unlikely to end in broken ankles if a lady were to walk over a grate.

    That's an amazing set... those strappy shoes drive me crazy, but I think it's just me, 'cause my wife and most of my friends love 'em, and for art, it's a must-have.

    On the alterations, I agree it'd be easy enough to do, set by set, but that brings me back to the same question - if it's so easy for me to do it, why doesn't the PA include a lower heel morph in the outfit?  I don't know _exactly_ how many extra hours it'd take, but you don't have to sell a lot of sets you wouldn't have sold to make up for one or two extra hours work.

    I dunno. I expect I'll have to try it sometime, but making custom clothes and shoes isn't where I want to focus my efforts for PA break-in. Break out? Do you break out or break in...? In I think. Anyway :) 

     

    Thank you!

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,861
    DigitalSteam said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

    AOC?

    That's not a teeny-bopper, that's a child. I think I'd be surprised to learn that kid's age had two digits to it at all. :)

    Must be one of those terms with different connotations in different places... or times - it seems it's meaning is quite different now than it was back when I used it, which was chronologically much closer to it's origins in the 60's than to MTV.

    There are a few Bridget images where she looks maybe as old as 20, but most of the images on the core page, I'd guess... 14-16. Absolutely not getting served without ID at any of my parties. :)

    But, then, that's a normal part of being old, too - looking at some young adult and thinking "What are you, six?" ;)

    ...also from an older generation and teens like the girl in the picture were frequently referred to as "teeny boppers".  That particular girl has the apparent look of a 13 year old.  I did a a fair amount of research years ago with others using age and growth charts when we were working at creating teens and children from Vicky4 as there were no young Gen4 figures (until K4 appeared a few months before Genesis). If anything I would place Brigit at maybe 19 - 22.years old at the youngest.  The only detail that even remotely suggests "youth" in my eyes are the freckles and maybe the face shaping of the red hared character in the promos, certainly not her physique. 

    To clarify about AOC, Brigit's face face is pretty close to the right shape and with a little morphing and shaping using merchant resources, I probably could produce a very good likeness of the junior congresswoman.  When I first saw this image, using her for AOC came to mind.

      

  • PsyckosamaPsyckosama Posts: 508
    DigitalSteam said:
    Psyckosama said:

    It's dangerous to go alone.

    Take this.

    https://www.daz3d.com/summer-footwear-collection-genesis-2-3-8-female-s

    Seriously though, at least im y opinion you could easily remove the polys of the sole of a shoe and use the flats or low heals section from these to create both total flats and the kind of practical low-heal that is both attractive and deliciously unlikely to end in broken ankles if a lady were to walk over a grate.

    That's an amazing set... those strappy shoes drive me crazy, but I think it's just me, 'cause my wife and most of my friends love 'em, and for art, it's a must-have.

    On the alterations, I agree it'd be easy enough to do, set by set, but that brings me back to the same question - if it's so easy for me to do it, why doesn't the PA include a lower heel morph in the outfit?  I don't know _exactly_ how many extra hours it'd take, but you don't have to sell a lot of sets you wouldn't have sold to make up for one or two extra hours work.

    I dunno. I expect I'll have to try it sometime, but making custom clothes and shoes isn't where I want to focus my efforts for PA break-in. Break out? Do you break out or break in...? In I think. Anyway :) 

     

    Thank you!

    You're welcome.

    Though I'd start by saying I wish they made outfits play nicer with eachother to start.

  • PsyckosamaPsyckosama Posts: 508
    DigitalSteam said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

    AOC?

    That's not a teeny-bopper, that's a child. I think I'd be surprised to learn that kid's age had two digits to it at all. :)

    Must be one of those terms with different connotations in different places... or times - it seems it's meaning is quite different now than it was back when I used it, which was chronologically much closer to it's origins in the 60's than to MTV.

    There are a few Bridget images where she looks maybe as old as 20, but most of the images on the core page, I'd guess... 14-16. Absolutely not getting served without ID at any of my parties. :)

    But, then, that's a normal part of being old, too - looking at some young adult and thinking "What are you, six?" ;)

    Bridget looks like she's in her 20s to me. She doesn't have the softness of a teen.

    That girl on the otherhand, she looks like a tween if that.

  • DigitalSteamDigitalSteam Posts: 299
    kyoto kid said:
    DigitalSteam said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

    AOC?

    That's not a teeny-bopper, that's a child. I think I'd be surprised to learn that kid's age had two digits to it at all. :)

    Must be one of those terms with different connotations in different places... or times - it seems it's meaning is quite different now than it was back when I used it, which was chronologically much closer to it's origins in the 60's than to MTV.

    There are a few Bridget images where she looks maybe as old as 20, but most of the images on the core page, I'd guess... 14-16. Absolutely not getting served without ID at any of my parties. :)

    But, then, that's a normal part of being old, too - looking at some young adult and thinking "What are you, six?" ;)

    ...also from an older generation and teens like the girl in the picture were frequently referred to as "teeny boppers".  That particular girl has the apparent look of a 13 year old.  I did a a fair amount of research years ago with others using age and growth charts when we were working at creating teens and children from Vicky4 as there were no young Gen4 figures (until K4 appeared a few months before Genesis). If anything I would place Brigit at maybe 19 - 22.years old at the youngest.  The only detail that even remotely suggests "youth" in my eyes are the freckles and maybe the face shaping of the red hared character in the promos, certainly not her physique. 

    To clarify about AOC, Brigit's face face is pretty close to the right shape and with a little morphing and shaping using merchant resources, I probably could produce a very good likeness of the junior congresswoman.  When I first saw this image, using her for AOC came to mind.

      

    See, in that side by side, I'd say AOC looks at _least_ ten years older.  She doesn't have the puppy fat, the lines and angles are sharper and more defined, definitely a good deal older. 

    I'll defer to your research in matters of what 9 years olds actually look like today (which is very different from what nine years olds looked like 50 years ago, at least in the US) because I do basically everything in my power to avoid seeing or being near them, but, to me, the kid in the blue looks nine, and nobody where and when I grew up would have called anyone under 16 a teeny-bopper. But, hell, that could even be down to the ways specific regions, cities, or even extended families used the term.  Not like anyone was paying much attention to cataloging them back then. :)

    Also, I can't freekin' believe this has generated this much conversation. But it's cool... Conversation is good. :)

  • cdpro_2831bbd990cdpro_2831bbd990 Posts: 1,430
    evacyn said:

    I've been able to hide the heel using Surface/Cutout Opacity, but I can't seem to get the foot flat. I've tried different morphs, but the toes won't seem to even out. Is there any way to do this? 

    If they are fit to the figure, won't the toes flatten out if you zero the figure?
  • cdpro_2831bbd990cdpro_2831bbd990 Posts: 1,430
    edited March 2019
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

    I'd place this girl at about 12 years of age maybe 13. Kids of that age have a lot of different looks. As to Bridget, I'd say she is anywhere from 19 to 23.
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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,861
    cdpro_2831bbd990 said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...hmm to me she looks to be more college age in her 20s,  Wouldn't call that a "teenybopper".  This is a teenybopper:

    Could probably turn Bridgit8 into AOC.pretty easily if I had the body/head morphs, a couple resource kits, the right hair content, and Skin Builder Pro4..

     

    I'd place this girl at about 12 years of age maybe 13. Kids of that age have a lot of different looks. As to Bridget, I'd say she is anywhere from 19 to 23.

    ...you pegged it correct.  When I first started visual work on the character I wanted her to have the apparent look of someone about 12 - 13 years old even though in the story she is in her late teens (an aging  condition known as neoteny). 

    The age range you note is about where I would place Bridget as well.

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