Proper old pub?
Ikyoto
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The kind ofplace my Irish great=grandad would have called "old `n cozy" in 1910. Any leads or should I just start modeling and hope to be done while Istill remeber why I ....
Wait... What were I on about?
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Are you looking for an interior... ?
https://www.daz3d.com/bar-interior-2018
For an exterior, there is this:
https://www.daz3d.com/gastro-pub-beer-garden
The bar interior that Jason mentioned is more of an American bar than an Irish/British style. There is not much for the latter. I remember a thread on the same issue, a year or so back, here it is if you are interested:
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/111446/british-pub-interior-scene/p1
Ah, the only frame of reference I have is from... https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1213663/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_9
Which I just happened to watch (again) this past weekend.
the problem I find disappointing about the pub interior is the lack of beer taps.... I have never seen a bar without them
Wow. You know, I never noticed that. Good point.
I suppose you mean something like the pub featured in the series "Peaky Blinders" which is set in Birmingham right after WWI.
You could try kitbashing something from "Miss Kitty's Bar" set here at Daz. It's an old west set but it has an ornate bar has a seperate prop and some tables / chairs in the style in the pic above. All you'd need then would be some walls with winows, a door, and some booths. Plus bottles, taps, etc. It's a start anyway.
What you have to remember is that Irish pubs are Irish sized, not American sized. The most important thing in an Irish pub is the drinks, the 2nd is the craic, and of course for a thrid you have to have the Irish music on a Saturday night (some pubs have music all nights)
http://publin.ie/2012/25-facts-about-dublin-pubs/
Your right about the size, Chohole. That's why I suggested kitbashing the Miss Kitty's rather than using it "as-is". The Peaky Blinders pub I posted looks too big to be a proper Irish Pub except perhaps in the vicinity of a large industrial concern like a shipyard where lots of men would have been getting off work at the same time and wanting a pint. Or rather, they may have that much space but a real irish pub tends to break it up into smaller segments with walls and nooks so it's not so wide open looking. But the architecturaly it has the right look if you add that coziness. On the other hand, another great example to think about is the pub in the great old John Wayne movie "The Qiet Man".
I'd love a good traditional Irish pub set. Maybe that's a new challenge for me, always looking for something fun to model!
I used the Tavern for one image a long time ago. egads, it's dated 2006 https://www.daz3d.com/the-tavern
You should search for tavern and then if it's not sufficiently furnished look at old restaurant and pub furniture from other sets is what it sounds like you want.
got it but too modern. thank you for rep;ing though.
OK then... I dare yah.
I learned Irish economics in one. You can only drink till you owe everypne.
Hey! Youmade sence there!
(We won't tell)
Note to all properpint drinkers. It's called a"pull" because theolderstyle barrels were not preasurized. They wereattached to a long siphon pipe and the pull of thehandle is what brought the beer or stout up.
Guiness seems to taste best if pulled like that from a kag 25' from the spout.
Aye, and that is the reason old fashioned barmaids are alwyas portrayed as busty wenches. They are taught to use left and right hands alternately for pulling pints as it is very good excercise for developing the cest muscles, and you swap arms so both side of the body get the excercise.
Guiness is the worst thing to pull a decent pint of. I'll let you into a little secret. no maybe I won't
After seeing the reference pictures I realized that I did have some personal references:
Admittedly it is "touristized" but I can see the differences between a typical American bar and this.
Do you know there are 772 pubs in Dublin county. In the area of County Dublin where my son lives are 86 of them. County Cork beats Dublin as it has 955 pubs (and less people to use them)
...the device itself referred to as a "Beer Engine" (see below).
Firkins were stored down in a cellar just below to keep them cooled (hence the term "cellar temperature") and were not refrigerated as is more popular in the states (actually, when it comes to American "industrial" swill, having it served "ice cold" is a blessing as you don't get a chance to taste how wretched they really are).
We have a few pubs which do draw stouts and specialty ales with a beer engine and even maintain them at cellar temperature (or as close as possible). More often than not though, craft and import ales are dispensed through the usual CO₂ driven taps used here for decades and are often as heavily refrigerated as the swill beers served which doesn't allow the full character and flavour to come through. Some pubs do use an NO₂ driven system for stouts, porters, and certain specialty ales, but again they are often chilled to a lower temperature as well..
Yes a lot of American's will scorn british "warm beer" but cellar temperature is the ideal temp to drink real Ale and guiness is never ever chilled
I've not been around Ireland so much but I remember being drawn into a pub in a rural part of County Wexford because I heard all this excited loud chearing. It turns out it was because there was a rugby game on. And it was very much 'a traditional pub' when I saw it even though I had never thought of what such a place was before going in there. When I stepped in even though I'd been in Ireland a week, I thought to myself, 'Now I am finally in Ireland!'
Anyway, that place was similar to all the examples but small. It was more than a pub for drinking of course. You could order things like Shepherd's Pie.
From what I've seen of the DAZ Store products you want to use this as the building:
https://www.daz3d.com/the-tavern ;
said to require
https://www.daz3d.com/redhouse-christmas-carol
https://www.daz3d.com/redhouse-sweet-shoppe
said to require
https://www.daz3d.com/redhouse-christmas-carol-exp-1
and then combine those products with the interior of this product.
https://www.daz3d.com/the-old-west-saloon-interior
optional texture set: Miss Kitty's looks more like the texture set of The Tavern
https://www.daz3d.com/miss-kitty-s-interior
Then convert to iRay and adjust the bump/normal/glossiness & such till you are satisfied.
Those are all PC+ products at $1.99
Something like Roisin Dubh (the Black Rose) at Faneuil Hall in Boston? Lots of reference pics of that on the 'net. Only place in the U. S. I have ever been to with graffitti in the restroom in Gaelic. My favorite was: "Is minic a bhris béal duine a shrón' (Many's the time a man's mouth has broke his nose). I have been thinking about that as a set.
https://www.daz3d.com/i13-neighborhood-bar-environment-with-poses might fit, and https://www.daz3d.com/trendy-city-bar has a lot of taps, Parts of https://www.daz3d.com/aquarium-bar could help.
The "Bourbon Street Bar' at the "other place" could have some useful parts, there are beer taps. Maybe "Corner Bar" also. Quite a lot of bars and saloons on that site.
Love the "beer engine". Sounds Steampunk. Now I understand what a "pull" is.
...I used to hang out at a very authentic Irish pub in Portland that had IRA posters on the walls and as with tradition, there was irish music and dancing there almost every night. They would have reps from Guinnuss show up there regilarly as they had their firkins shipped directly from Ireland (not the Canadian licenscd brew).
I loved Mike the main barkeep there as if someone picked up their Guinness and began drinking before the cascade finished, he'd give them the "evil eye" When my pint had about 1/4 left, he'd look at me and nod, I'd nod back, and he'd pull another pint which would be ready to drink by the time he put it on the bar (and it was a proper imperial pint, not those "cheater" ones that are so common here in the states).
I think for an authentic turn of the century pub you'd need something like Kehoe's in Dublin, which retains the old segregated ladies section. Ladies did not drink in public with men; they had their own section and drinks were served through a sliding glass window. You can get a sense of that in the pic below where they glass secion is the remaining ladies area. I don't know how long those stayed in use but at the turn of the century they'd still be present even if not used that way anymore.
Since all the sets nonesuch00 listed were PC+ and I could get them all for $6 (didn't bother with the sweet shoppe one) I decided to jump in and see how it looked.
Kitbashinh from those sets plus the "nook furniture" set got me what you see below. It lacks the warmth of a true pub. The wood is too dark, lacks the reddish hues. And it doesn't seem all that cozy, except the nooks. But they could do with some seperators maybe.
i13 Neighborhood Bar has beer taps https://www.daz3d.com/i13-neighborhood-bar-environment-with-poses
From what's been said, it's probably both too big and too modern, though.
The Corner Bar by Richabri at Renderosity has taps and is sort of small and dark. Made for Poser, though, as is the Bourbon Street Bar by chris1972. Also at Rendo is the i13 Dirty Dawg bar, for both Poser and Studio, which also has taps but is also too modern and big; i13 Late Nights at the Pub is smaller, but also made for Poser.
I added some translucency to the wood with a red hue, and metallic flakes topcoat, red flakes with low density and high roughness and got it a bit warmer looking I think.
I still think I probably ought to have a go at modeling it from scratch.
You can sort your viewpoint out and just have part of the tavern in view, as I showed up there ↑↑
and use warm lights
What's wrong there is the wood needs to be much glossier where it's already dark & the floor needs to be darker, redder, and glossier too. As far as the coziness goes well that's partly the warm deep red glossy wood, part the people talking & laughing, and part a light warm whisky buzz on a cold rainy winter day.