Can DAZ 3d be used by kids under the age of 18?
romerotoday1
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My daughter,Kiki,is 11.She uses DAZ 3d and got Stephanie 5 as a discount.The product came naked and had full on G*****.I was surprised because,most DAZ models only come with a stub as there junk.
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The Anatomical Elelemts are included only with (some) adult Pro bundles. I beleive the site has a minimum age requirement of 14 or 15 (I can't recall which) - for a younger family member it would be best to have a aprent or guardian handle content aquisition, and to handle instalaltion to make sure that only the right items were available (it is possible to have DS set up with different content libraries and databases to ensure that some items are not available).
They might not have gens but they almost always have nips, which is something I have never understood. Would you consider a Barbie with nipples to be family friendly, LOL. More over, while pro bundles are the only way to get the genital prop, many Daz characters still have the texture for a genital right there on the torso texture and they load with that texture by default. So even without ever owning or using the genital prop they still have a gen texture, which IMO defeats the whole purpose of keeping the prop in pro bundles in the first place. And it makes sense that someone would be a bit surprised by this as there is no warning anywhere that the genital and nipples are painted on the torso or not.
One thing you can do is to manually install things and edit any torso textures before she uses Daz. Its actually really easy once you locate the texture file. In GIMP you can use the 'heal tool' to mask over any offending areas and textures by copying clean parts of skin over them. Over write the original texture and now the character will autmatically load without any nipple or genital. If you do this for every character you buy you wont have any problems. If any genital props were downloaded you can simply delete them.
You should probably investigate the history of Barbie. I'll say no more.
Yeah, the first Barbies did, but then mothers complained, the nipples were removed and have not appeared since. That was like 1961, so 57 years on, my point still stands.
It all comes down to adult supervision. The majority of what I do in 3D is adult oriented, so it's hard for me to imagine giving kids access to the same tools and models I use. Granted I have read on the forums that there are users that never render any nudity, so everyone has their workflow, but for the most part we are all going off the same models, it's just how we choose to use them, so supervising what is being done with DS and what content is being used seems like a wise idea for parents.
This is a tough question. Haha, and it reminded me of a bad but funny experience in 2nd grade. Do you all have "show and tell" in grade schools? We did this like once each week, where each student would bring in a toy or device and show it to the class/tell about it.
One day I brought in my GI Joe. Girls had Barbie and Ken, and boys had GI Joe. Joe was dressed as a US Army infantryman, with a rifle, pistol, and binoculars, I think. He was complete with a scar on his face! Joe was a tough guy, for sure, and his clothing was real cloth, well-tailored to fit him, and I think he was about 12 inches tall, so not a tiny figure for a 7-8 year old.
We kept our show and tell stuff on a table in the back of the class, until it was time for show and tell. Well, when the teacher walked out of the class, some dumb kid picked up my GI Joe and pulled his pants down! The whole class was roaring with laughter at that. I don't remember if Joe had anatomy; but he did "go commando", because there was no such thing as underpants for GI Joe in that age. All and all, Joe handled the ridicule just as well as any tough guy would while getting "pantsed". Neither Joe nor I was overly traumatized by that, but I do think it was the last time I ever brought anything in for show and tell.
So what do you do about genetalia in DAZ figures? I think it's great that an 11 year old is getting into 3D art and modelling. You can probably try to protect her from all this, but then I hope you are monitoring her internet time, too. And her texting time. And her time on Netflix, Snapchat, Amazon Prime, and even basic cable/satellite, if anybody still has that. If she's even moderately social, she may already know more and more colorful words than any ten of us here in the forums.
Say...wasn't there a tool or utility out there in the DAZ store that could hide all genetalia? Murky memory. Might be worth a search in the store.
I can still remember how traumatized I was the first time I looked in the mirror and saw my own nipples. I've barely recovered.
That's probably true, you can't protect them forever. What makes better sense is to teach them well, so that they are better prepared for the things that they will almost certainly find when you are not looking. That's about all you can really do. When kids are properly grounded and have a sense of self respect, they will take what they find out in the wild in stride much better.
I remember studying anatomy in the 6th grade and we got illustrated books & the like regarding anatomy so I am surprised someone would buy 3D models of human being as a gift for a 11 year old child, or any one else, and not expect that 3D models to not be accurate 3D representations of human beings. I can remember even as a small child the Barbie & other dolls were suggestive enough to a gender's anatomy such that Ken and Barbie wouldn't be mistaken for the other gender. I also remember seeing as much regarding human anatomy on posters on doctors' walls at a much younger age than 12 years old.
That's to say nothing of countless paintings, statues, and other works of art and advertising that leaves nothing to the imagination.
There is a huge difference between artistic nudity and pornographic nudity. My daughters have been around random nude women all their lives. I used to be a portrait photographer and often my ladies coming in for maternity photos would do nudes. If their husbands didn't come and my assistant was gone my oldest daughter would help with the photo shoot. I would show my daughters the photos as I was editing them, and talk about how beautiful they were, the way the light would accent parts of the body, the way the curves would lead the eye. They would grow up to be mature women one day, and I did not want to raise girls that were ashamed of their bodies or think that their bodies were only shown to be objectified by men. If my 11 year old daughter wanted to do Daz I would be thrilled and I would let her play with daz. I wouldn't even make a big deal about parts showing, because I never want my daughter to think any part of her mature body is bad, dirty, or naughty. I would use the opportunity to teach her about art and the human form.
BTW I also took them to museums, and there are nude bodies all over those places, male and female *gasp*
It's about educating, and communicating. It's "bad" if you make it bad, it's beautiful and artistic if you show her it's beautiful and artistic.
Just my .02 :)
Name a human model that does not download in the raw. It is not for the younger kids or for the most part a family activity. I thought that would be obvious. I would not display a nude model in front of any kids, junk or not.
BTW- I used to play with my sister's ken and barbie dolls behind her back just to take their clothes off but stopped doing that around the time I turned 40.
M4 and V4 load with underwear. (Base textures.) So, I guess if you wanted or needed to set up a kid friendly directory you could set up one with only M4 and V4 and their items...minus any add-on character textures.
Edit: I have a teenager who is really into art. When she wants to sketch a human figure, she looks for references to view a figure in a certain pose at a certain angle. Google images is her go to but every once in a while she can't find a good reference image. When this happens, I always load up type of figure she wants and throw on some shorts or a bikini on the figure before she comes in. I let her set up how she wants the figure posed and set the angle and do a render so she can have a reference. She's more interested in how the body bends than what it's wearing or the character itself.
I, personally, don't see a problem with letting a mature enough kid (one that isn't going to giggle at the naked bits simply because they're naked) work with Daz Studio. Of course, that assumes that the parents have raised them in an environment that doesn't shame the human form, but also doesn't unnecisarily sexualize it either. For all my complaining about skimpwear, I actually have no issue at all with artistic nudes, and find the human body very capable of being aestheticly inspiring without needing to titilate or excite.
I worked with DS in front of my daughter all the time, and would let her work with it as well. She's 18 now and has a perfectly healthy body image.
There is nothing wrong with the skin we are born with. None of us arrives in this world fully clothed.
Ther is only something wrong with the way certain individualls"use" naked skin for money andsome kind or entertainment which definitely is not child frendly.
It's about educating, and communicating. It's "bad" if you make it bad, also into 2018 really have all this problem with nudity.. are 3d dolls...mare code....just 0 and 1.....not human...it's not pornography.
Yes, and think of all those poor babies that are forced to look at and suck on them during the first several months, or even years of their lives, if they want to stay alive. It's horrendous!
Out of the box, no, but it can become that very easily. There are many sites that cater to 3D sexually explicit imagery - porn. I look at DS like photography, it's all in what youi do with the camera.
And that's the key, especially at that age.
LOL
i get all in a dither every time this subject comes up. prude city over and over. We're human and don't come with clothes attached at birth. you know you;re 17 and all forbidden to see nudes ... and you look at yourself in the mirror and go into shock. worse yet are the parents.
There is no way Daz could ever control the minimum age of users... However since the various items are sold and require a credit card of some type it seems that 18 would be the minimum for purchasing any item (with or without genitals)
I would recommend the teen or young character models for your kids if you want them sans anatomy completely. Karyssa, Mika, Teen Josie, and Teen Kaylee all have nipples but no painted anatomy. Sakura has no nipples or painted anatomy. I let my kids mess with DS (they're younger than yours), but I will generally load a character in for them and put undies on them then let them mess with it.
to be pc ..you could always add pants or something to the characters..not sure if a way to weld them to it..and save them...and those are the only ones they can use. or paint the textures to eliminate anything that could possibly be "offensive"
My kids have used it. I set up a base scene with character dress in basicwear and they start from there. I've also setup an all grey texture defaults so later generation load like genesis1. no textures. They add clothes, then add the skin. They're well adjusted so no real issue either way. Understanding and using 3D is vital to developing useful skills going forward. This is hardly a big issue.
That's no different than playing with Barbie, though. Plus Daz models have a lot more body shapes than Barbie ever has.
When I first got into this hobby, it was around the time that D/S 3 and V4 were released. When I was loading Michael 3 (& possibly M4, I don't recall), the thumbnails to select the male genitals in D/S were--graphic. (pun not intended) When you opened the folder in D/S there would be this 1-2 square inch anatomically correct image! None of today's discreet labels without a picture. I *hope* those thumbnails have been changed--but I'd still check before letting a younger kid loose in the runtime.
Although my kids are grown, when I am using Daz, I still hurry and clothe the figure! LOL
Being unrealistic is precisely WHY Barbie can cause young girls to feel like they don't measure up. Barbie is "perfect" and thin. Have you not seen the super creepy girls that try to look exactly like Barbie? With breast implants, facial surgeries, and more? As far as I know, there have not been any young women getting cosmetic surgeries to look like a Daz character (celebrity look a likes do not count...) If that happens you may have a point.
There are girls in real life that use extreme makeup or have had surgery to look anime or like Aiko. Anastasiya Shpagina, Tina Leopard, Venus Angelic, Dakota Rose (aka Kotakoti), and then you have Valeria Lukyanova who looks like a cross between Aiko and a barbie doll.
In 2015, Barbie made its biggest and most progressive change in years when they introduced the Fashionista dolls, a line of Barbies that features three unique body types: tall, curvy, and petite. They also introduced seven skin tones, 22 eye colors, 30 hair colors, 24 hair styles, and 14 face sculpts in a much-needed move to reflect a broader view of beauty.