DAZ Poses not Realistic
cheznous2029_28ab1adedc
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Why do almost every pose set that you can buy from DAZ and other vendors have the actor piroeting around like a ballet dancer? Many, many pose set have the person up on their toes, if real people did this we would have foot doctors that were more wealthy than they already are!
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The back doctors would do pretty well too if we all walked around like Genesis female, with our chests stuck out as if our shirts still had the coat hangers left in the back of them :)
Almost every time, I have to repose the feet and the back, Alsol even if your clothing item, like shoes for instance has a foot and toe pose, as soon as you use another pose you loose all that and have to repose the feet and the toes. Also some pose sets lock either the feet or the toes, it's a pain.
I suggest that you investigate and consider investing in some of RiverSoft Art's powerful utilities: Bone Doctor Pose Control & Pose Blender. Buy them, learn how to use them, familiarise yourself with selecting, zeroing, & locking bones, and never look back. You'll be glad you did.
Since Daz has implemented no rigid standards for the pose collections they sell, we just have to discover and overcome the idiosyncrasies of each. As with other types of products, some vendors do things that afford optimum convenience to the end user, but most do not, either from neglect, ignorance, or time constraints.
Another favorite is this one...
https://www.daz3d.com/ultimate-pose-mixer
Quickly lock different parts of the figure....really opens up the pose library to mix and match with ease..
I think a lot of the toes-poses are for heels. High heeled shoes come with almost every outfit, no matter the intened function....
So, it makes sense to make most pose sets for heeled figures. Pin up stuff rules anyways.
I keep a set of foot-pose presets handy so I can heel-ify or flatten the footies.
If you check, almost any kind of stand-alone shoe or boot come with foot poses...
This is the main reason why I prefer products with flat foot poses. Most of these tiptoe poses were made using a specific heeled footwear.
I try to buy poses that have flat footed poses, or at least regular high-heeled poses WITH flat flooted matching poses ;). And I don't like sway-backed poses either. In fact, I could go even further and say that most poses in the store don't meet my needs because one or two packs of "cheesecake" poses are enough for me. I rather appreciate action poses more, where the figure is doing something like searching under beds, washing dishes, talking on the phone, etc.
Laurie
Thanks, @Griffin_Avid, I forgot about that one. It does make life so much easier.
Another reason I like poses from i13 with Everyday Poses and Activities Poses and similar.
https://www.daz3d.com/i13-75-pose-variety-pack-for-the-genesis-3-female-s
https://www.daz3d.com/i13-useful-actions-for-the-genesis-3-female-s
https://www.daz3d.com/i13-everyday-medley-poses-and-furniture-for-genesis-3-female-s-and-male-s
https://www.daz3d.com/i13-home-time-activities-poses-and-props
There are some other good poses by other PA's too but I just snagged the ones from i13 that I was missing during the last big sale!
Especially, whilst standing with one foot in the air with her bottom sticking out so far, it's in the next room.
There's also this:
https://www.daz3d.com/ultimate-pose-mixer
To combat this, a lot of the time* I will pose the character naked (or at least without shoes) and then add the outfit (or shoes). Although sometimes I come across the opposite problem where adding the outfit/shoes resets the character pose to default...
*and when I have the scene worked out in my head and know the pose I am going for, rather than improvising on the fly.
Most poses are designed for artistic effect, not realism.
Reality is actually quite borring and if the goal were to simply render people wearing jeans and a sweater standing slumped with a bored expression on their face, it would be cheaper and much more relaistic to ask your neighbor to stand in their driveway for a sec while you activate the photo app on your cell phone.
Honestly my only complaint with any of the pose sets I've tried recently is that no pose creator seems to be able to find the metatarsals dial, meaning that every G8 character promo makes them look like they desperately need arch support in their shoes or see a doctor about freakishly flat feet and heels that touch their calves.
/end rant ;)
the Pelvic tilt on female poses and in the female figure seems awkward to me rather than sexy. It is especially bad when posing youngsters. Most woman do not have that degree of rump out action.... but judging by sales people must like it. I tend not to buy female poses for this reason.
Male poses apply just as well and don’t look look so awkward.
Most female poses even by i13 show people sitting or standing in a way no normal person would, except they are wearing a vry stiff corset.
I agree. I find most i13 pose sets have a "pin up" style (sometimes over-sexualizing poses) which makes them look unnatural. Aeon Soul for me has some of the best poses. While Zeddicuss has the best expressions.
Well first of all you have to ask your neighbour to put on the clothes you want him to wear in that picture (and you have to buy those clothes first of course), as well as change his eye colors and hair style and color to the one you prefer (and maybe shave, if he has a beard), next you have to take him to the Eiffel Tower in France if you want that environment as background etc. etc..
High heel poses are annoying particularly since you not only have to straighten the foot, you usually have to set the character on the floor afterwards (unless of course they levitate naturally). What has been annoying in generation 8 though is a lack of partial poses, which means you have to resort to those scripts pretty much every time you pose a character. As far as pin up poses, yeah, I have enough of those to last just about forever.
Zeddicuss is your vendor! She used to deliver high heel poses in the past, but then added value to her pose packs giving both flat feet and high heel poses. She offers a wide diversity of poses and is very competitive in Daz's and Renderosity's pose market. She's the best in my opinion. Although I like Ironman13 and DM too. Zeddicuss is active and always staying on the cutting edge with product development.
You dont need scritps, in Daz Studio you can select a single node such as the shoulder, hold Ctrl + and double click on a pose file (ds only, not poser PZ2 poses) and a dialog box will come up giving you some options. The first two options are the most important.
Nodes: Set to Selected
Propagation: Set to Recursive
This tells DS that starting from the selected node, apply that pose to it and all its child nodes. This way its very easy to mix and match your poses. The Ctrl+ when selection a DS file works with other presets too.
Because of this option, I personally never included partials in any of my sets until recently. They are benneficial for sets that have hirerarchical poses and they are benneficial for lower body poses in general regardless of the type of set.
Well, I'll glady be a weird one and say that I find all the so called "sexy" poses boring, because that's the overwhelming majority of what's offered, and so many of them are only slight variations on the same basic "oh, aren't I cute/hot" standing poses which arecompletely useless unless you're doing pinups. Which I don't do.
I realize that's what sells, because pin ups are the overwhelming majority of what people actually render (or pseudo-pin-ups, which are sexy poses with a gun or a sword or a guitar and a feirce expression. So far as I'm concerned, if the primary theme of the image is how sexy the girl is, it's a pinup. Yawn. Wake me when you render something actually interesting.) So I'll just keep making the modificiations I need on my own, because that's the only way I'll actually get what I want.
Not that long ago, someone took a set of everyday normal poses and applied the male poses to the female and vice-versa. The result was posted here on this forum, and was hilarious and depressing at the same time. The female looked perfectly normal, the poor male looked to be in distress. The 'thighs twist inwards' that gets applied to pretty much all female poses really puzzles me, as no human would ever stand like that unless they really need the toilet. Wish I could remember the thread tho..
Just another reason I usually use male poses for all females
Whenever I want more realistic/natural poses for women, I usually use male poses. Like, people actually standing or doing stuff.
Depends on what you want, really, and the thing is, a LOT of customers want pin ups and similar.
The PA poses aren't really ideal "out of the box" for the most part, with few exceptions. However, they help out a lot to establish a base pose so I can focus on the smaller scale tilts, turns, and such. Just remember that when you do get that right look, save that pose as a preset every time.
Almost with few exceptions do the women suffer from lordosis, or excessive inward spinal curve which can lead to back problems. Its not sexy, its a health hazard!
You are just a treasure trove of Daz knowledge!
I wish that's all I was complaining about, that's an easy fix... just create a zero pose yourself for feet, or likely there's one in your library from some shoes. Or select each foot, right-click, expand from selected. Select all the child nodes, then click on the Parameters tab, and zero selected items pose.
My beef with most PA poses is many feet are often not even, looking close one foot will be off the ground, many times requiring the pose to be significantly changed to place both feet equally on the ground.
I've used Marvelous Designer to make clothes for Genesis, approaching the task as a dressmaker would (there's got to be a better way, even using Marvelous Designer, but I was a dressmaker for so long that I don't know any different). I expected to have the worst of the difficulties with fitting clothing to her substantial bust, but it's that inward curve of her back that caused me the most problems. Large busts are reasonably common in the real world, but I never once came across a client with such a pronounced inward back curve when I was sewing.
Thanks,
I figured there had to be a way since scripts generally only automate features DAZ already has if you know how to use them. I was clueless about how to find that one though. That will save me a great deal of time I was spending creating partials.
You're welcome to both of you.
When I see some of the female poses, it reminds me of a Beavis and Butthead sketch. They're watching a video where the models are sticking their rear ends out and twisting their backs. Beavis is like "There's something wrong with their backs!" and Butthead says "No, that means they're hot."