DAZ Poses not Realistic

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  • My biggest issue with most commercial pose packs is how little new poses seem to be included.  More often, it seems to be just a new name for a package of the same poses that came with the last character...mostly pinup stuff.  Since I can rarely remember what all I have in my runtime, I find myself with 10 or more sets of the same type of poses.  In the end, I normally use the most simple standing pose and then use Power Pose to change as needed.  +1 on the Aeon Soul poses....really nicely done.  The downside is that these are fairly specific action poses.  So, they have limited use.  But, I guess most poses have that issue.  

    Anyone know how difficult it is to rename assets in Daz?  I need to take a week and just give every item a very descriptive name, so I can easily figure out what it is.  I mean things like "Hinata Dress,' could go into a catergory like "short casual dress."  Any hair that has a pony tail could go in the "ponytail" category...etc.  It gets confusing having some products listed by item name, while others have the PA name first, or a generalized descriptor, like "Dforce."

    Sorry, got a bit off topic there.  But, this could definitely apply to poses across multiple sets for each generation.  the "Categories" folder does help.  But, it lumps all generations together.  And, some items get dropped into the base subfolder instead of the sorted folders - presumably because there aren't good meta tags on them.

    It might be interesting to line up all ten or so of my "Model standing with legs apart and hands touching overhead" poses, and see how much variation there actually is between any of them...LOL

    I'd like ot see more PAs do clothing morph packs.  SY makes some good ones and Zev0 Fit Control is really useful.  But, I think it could be possible to do even more with the clothing on morphing geoshell idea...more things like rolled up or crumple sleeves, collars to the side or pulled down, shirts open from the bottom, skirts crushed or spread for sitting poses...etc.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    High heel poses are annoying particularly since you not only have to straighten the foot, you usually have to set the character on the floor afterwards (unless of course they levitate naturally).  What has been annoying in generation 8 though is a lack of partial poses, which means you have to resort to those scripts pretty much every time you pose a character.  As far as pin up poses, yeah, I have enough of those to last just about forever.

    You can apply a partial pose by selecting the joint and holding Ctrl whilst clicking on the pose.

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,030
    edited November 2018

    DAZ and Reality don't exist in the same universe. Seriously, I've been amazed and concerned that so many pose sets don't have someone "just standing there," with arms down to the side. And so many don't have a "zero pose" setting to go back to the "default pose." I've tried some "partial pose" sets, and have not been able to piece together any useful pose or "zeroed" pose.

    While I'm at it, I find it mystifying how a set includes something like a tommygun, and has no pose for the character to hold the gun!

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  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,996

    DAZ and Reality don't exist in the same universe. Seriously, I've been amazed and concerned that so many pose sets don't have someone "just standing there," with arms down to the side. And so many don't have a "zero pose" setting to go back to the "default pose." I've tried some "partial pose" sets, and have not been able to piece together any useful pose or "zeroed" pose.

    While I'm at it, I find it mystifying how a set includes something like a tommygun, and has no pose for the character to hold the gun!

    DS has the ability built into it.  If you select the figure and then right click on the Parameter Tab, go to Zero and then choose Zero Figure Pose or Zero Selected Item(s) Pose.  The first zeros the whole figure back to their default pose, the second only affects the bones you have selected on the figure

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,644
    edited November 2018

    Not that long ago, someone took a set of everyday normal poses and applied the male poses to the female and vice-versa. The result was posted here on this forum, and was hilarious and depressing at the same time. The female looked perfectly normal, the poor male looked to be in distress. The 'thighs twist inwards' that gets applied to pretty much all female poses really puzzles me, as no human would ever stand like that unless they really need the toilet. Wish I could remember the thread tho..

    Just another reason I usually use male poses for all females

    I agree 100%.

    Feral Fey is my favourite in poses. Her poses look absolutely natural, they are perfectly balanced, and you'll never find 'sexy' poses which make women look like cretins.

    If I see poses like in this promo, I could go mad. I love bitwelder's work, and I think they don't deserve such nonsense:

    Top of the World in Vendor, bitwelder,  3D Models by Daz 3D

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621
    caravelle said:

    Not that long ago, someone took a set of everyday normal poses and applied the male poses to the female and vice-versa. The result was posted here on this forum, and was hilarious and depressing at the same time. The female looked perfectly normal, the poor male looked to be in distress. The 'thighs twist inwards' that gets applied to pretty much all female poses really puzzles me, as no human would ever stand like that unless they really need the toilet. Wish I could remember the thread tho..

    Just another reason I usually use male poses for all females

    I agree 100%.

    Feral Fey is my favourite in poses. Her poses look absolutely natural, they are perfectly balanced, and you'll never find 'sexy' poses which make women look like cretins.

    If I see poses like in this promo, I could go mad. I love bitwelder's work, and I think they don't deserve such nonsense:

    LOL,Ouchlaugh

     

  • Mattymanx said:

    DAZ and Reality don't exist in the same universe. Seriously, I've been amazed and concerned that so many pose sets don't have someone "just standing there," with arms down to the side. And so many don't have a "zero pose" setting to go back to the "default pose." I've tried some "partial pose" sets, and have not been able to piece together any useful pose or "zeroed" pose.

    While I'm at it, I find it mystifying how a set includes something like a tommygun, and has no pose for the character to hold the gun!

    DS has the ability built into it.  If you select the figure and then right click on the Parameter Tab, go to Zero and then choose Zero Figure Pose or Zero Selected Item(s) Pose.  The first zeros the whole figure back to their default pose, the second only affects the bones you have selected on the figure

    THAT one I knew about ;)

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited November 2018

    There is a samish quality to poses. Particular men’s poses. What I’m looking for in particular is more utilitarian stuff. People eating, washing laundry cooking dinner.

    i really only have so much use for model poses. They are great for stand alone images but really how much does one need?

    now I just make a lot of my own.  That way I’m guaranteed to get what I want...

    I still buy poses, but I don’t need more model poses or muscle flexing poses.

     

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  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,030

    Serene Night, I too prefer utilitarian poses. At the same time, I'd prefer sets with whatever props might apply. If I have a person sitting at a table and eating, I'd love to have the set include the table, chair and food that would work seemlessly with the poses.

    I also love facial expression sets. However, I hate it when each "pose" is labelled with a number, rather than descriptive words. I want someone to smile and not do a "number 2!"

  • DreamingGirlDreamingGirl Posts: 227
    edited November 2018
    caravelle said:

    Not that long ago, someone took a set of everyday normal poses and applied the male poses to the female and vice-versa. The result was posted here on this forum, and was hilarious and depressing at the same time. The female looked perfectly normal, the poor male looked to be in distress. The 'thighs twist inwards' that gets applied to pretty much all female poses really puzzles me, as no human would ever stand like that unless they really need the toilet. Wish I could remember the thread tho..

    Just another reason I usually use male poses for all females

    I agree 100%.

    Feral Fey is my favourite in poses. Her poses look absolutely natural, they are perfectly balanced, and you'll never find 'sexy' poses which make women look like cretins.

    If I see poses like in this promo, I could go mad. I love bitwelder's work, and I think they don't deserve such nonsense:

     

    LOL I certainly wouldn't be standing like that so close to a sheer drop laugh

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,842

    It's a good thing I don't purchase many pose sets since all this complaining over something a user can easily change themselves and save will probably make some pose creators take notice and offer boring, non sexual types poses in the futures, ones I have no interest in.

    For me poses are just starting points. I edit nearly every pose I use from a set. There are lots of pose creators that have poses that make me say WTH after I pose some of them, Zedicuss included because they are just so odd and unnatural looking.

    I love the users who get on their soapbox about the butt out sexy type poses as not real or bad for your health, LOL. I have seen plenty of women striking poses like these in strip clubs and in photoshoots, which are much different senarios than normal life poses.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited November 2018

    I doubt you have anything to worry about. wink Sexy poses sell and that won’t change.

    Pose creators know what sells and will keep offering them.

    And no I still don’t like them. I’d be pretty irked  if every male pose I bought had their butts sticking out.  It suits a certain type of pose, but not every pose.

     

    Post edited by Serene Night on
  • BlueIreneBlueIrene Posts: 1,318

    Most of the renders I do are 'normal life' poses and seldom involve strip clubs (probably never!) or photoshoots. I see poses as starting points too and expect to edit the majority of them. I shouldn't have to expect to edit out unlikely posture every time before I can even start to make a pose 'my own' though.

  • If a pose set is marketed as 'sexy', that is one thing, but when it is described as 'everyday' poses, you don't expect strip club poses. Nor should you be required to 'fix' obvious faults in products you actually paid for.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,306

    I hardly ever bought full body pose sets up until I started using G3 and later. Hand poses, sure. Expressions, certainly., but with the older non-weightmapped figures it was pretty much just as easy to pose them myself.

    Now, however, the figures have so many bones that I want something to serve as a starting point. And I still hardly ever find anything that I can make use of. I never do pinups. I do illustrations, and people in illustrations don't realize that there's a camera anywhere in the scene.

  • Please feel fre to discuss poses, but don't discuss whether other people should or shouldn't discuss poses.

  • Mattymanx said:

    DAZ and Reality don't exist in the same universe. Seriously, I've been amazed and concerned that so many pose sets don't have someone "just standing there," with arms down to the side. And so many don't have a "zero pose" setting to go back to the "default pose." I've tried some "partial pose" sets, and have not been able to piece together any useful pose or "zeroed" pose.

    While I'm at it, I find it mystifying how a set includes something like a tommygun, and has no pose for the character to hold the gun!

    DS has the ability built into it.  If you select the figure and then right click on the Parameter Tab, go to Zero and then choose Zero Figure Pose or Zero Selected Item(s) Pose.  The first zeros the whole figure back to their default pose, the second only affects the bones you have selected on the figure

    Zero zeroes, or in the case of scaling resets to 100%. Restore is the one that goes back to default values. The two may not be the same.

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,030

    It's a good thing I don't purchase many pose sets since all this complaining over something a user can easily change themselves and save will probably make some pose creators take notice and offer boring, non sexual types poses in the futures, ones I have no interest in.

    For me poses are just starting points. I edit nearly every pose I use from a set. There are lots of pose creators that have poses that make me say WTH after I pose some of them, Zedicuss included because they are just so odd and unnatural looking.

    I love the users who get on their soapbox about the butt out sexy type poses as not real or bad for your health, LOL. I have seen plenty of women striking poses like these in strip clubs and in photoshoots, which are much different senarios than normal life poses.

    Everyone has their own needs , expectations and attitudes. We are free to express our satisfaction and disappointment. I'm done with this thread. Have a wonderful day.

  • sapatsapat Posts: 1,735

    It's a good thing I don't purchase many pose sets since all this complaining over something a user can easily change themselves and save will probably make some pose creators take notice and offer boring, non sexual types poses in the futures, ones I have no interest in.

    For me poses are just starting points. I edit nearly every pose I use from a set. There are lots of pose creators that have poses that make me say WTH after I pose some of them, Zedicuss included because they are just so odd and unnatural looking.

    I love the users who get on their soapbox about the butt out sexy type poses as not real or bad for your health, LOL. I have seen plenty of women striking poses like these in strip clubs and in photoshoots, which are much different senarios than normal life poses.

    Models get paid a buttload of money for sticking it out.  Esp for swimsuits.  Strippers...er I mean 'exotic dancers', they stick their butts out the the club so guys will make it rain! wink

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    most of the art i do are portraits so I'm generally using non-interactive and static poses. But what drives me insane is when ALL the poses in a set have been done with high heeled feet only. Gah. It is SO much easier to go from flat foot pose to high heeled as the majority of shoes come with a foot pose. It's a pain in the backside to go from high heel feet to flat feet (sneakers, thongs, sandals etc). Rarestone's pose sets have flat AND high heel poses which is awesome. 

    And even tho I use them a lot due to the style of art I do, I too, am tired of sexy poses. There's only so many sexy poses that can be done - they all look the same after a while. 

  • I'm probably in the minority here, but I wish PA's would not create so many versions of poses.

    That is, many sets have versions for both G8 and V8, or for both flat foot and high heels, and sometimes both! That means I have to scroll through a list of poses which is four times longer than it really needs to be while searching for the one I want. It's usually easy to go from flat foot to high heels as jakiblue mentions above. A Vicky8 tweaked version of a pose (or Aiko or Mike8 or whatever) does me no good at all since I never use characters straight out of the box and expect to tweak a pose anyway. Even mirrored poses aren't that useful since I've got a script to do that when needed. Two clicks and it's done.

    All of these minor variations of the same set of poses can really clutter up the listing in Smart Content.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I wish I could buy male poses only but too often sets come with both male and female alternates which seems kind of filler to me.

    Same goes for mirrors. Or paying for poses which are turned slightly. Those just beef up the number of poses but are easy for the user to do themselves.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,754
    edited November 2018
    Mattymanx said:
    xyer0 said:

    You are just a treasure trove of Daz knowledge!

     

    Thanks,

    I figured there had to be a way since scripts generally only automate features DAZ already has if you know how to use them.  I was clueless about how to find that one though.  That will save me a great deal of time I was spending creating partials.

     

    You're welcome to both of you. smiley

    how do you find out all that stuff? 

    Post edited by daveso on
  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,754

    bottom line, most of the stuff we buy we can do ourselves if we know how or take the time. 
    There used to be discussion about push button art. 

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,996
    daveso said:
    Mattymanx said:
    xyer0 said:

    You are just a treasure trove of Daz knowledge!

     

    Thanks,

    I figured there had to be a way since scripts generally only automate features DAZ already has if you know how to use them.  I was clueless about how to find that one though.  That will save me a great deal of time I was spending creating partials.

     

    You're welcome to both of you. smiley

    how do you find out all that stuff? 

    Years of using the software and tips here in the forums

  • Serene Night, I too prefer utilitarian poses. At the same time, I'd prefer sets with whatever props might apply. If I have a person sitting at a table and eating, I'd love to have the set include the table, chair and food that would work seemlessly with the poses.

    I also love facial expression sets. However, I hate it when each "pose" is labelled with a number, rather than descriptive words. I want someone to smile and not do a "number 2!"

    That's exactly why I made my first external expression preview/mix&match app for V4, which was the start of my XprssnMagic products. I find it hard to come up with useful short descriptive names for expressions and poses. I include them, but point out that different eye-mouth combinations can totally change the expressive effect.

    I've done the same for some G8 hand and arm poses, and character faces, which I use a lot for my own projects; don't have time to polish them into products.

    I do like it when pose creators include the larger tip icons (256x256), where details are more visible. This one is from the Mothers & Daughters set.

    Standing Closely (Skyler).tip.png
    256 x 256 - 84K
  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    Poses not realistic in Daz? I have no idea what you people are talking about.

  • y3kmany3kman Posts: 825

    Poses not realistic in Daz? I have no idea what you people are talking about.

    That video image/thumbnail reminds me of the first time I used a G3 pose with a G8 figure.

  • I dunno. I always approach pose packs expecting to have to tweak them if the figure I am using has proportions that deviate in any significant way from the stock base figure. (Examples include George, Felton, Mr Duckie, Genesis Troll, etc). I also consider them raw material to mess around with further. And practically all pose sets have promo pics that clearly show the variety (or not) contained therein. So, I'm rarely disappointed with the poses I get at Daz. But I know I am coming at this from my own perspective.
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