Octane 4 with AI features

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  • Nvidia has Open sourced MDL now!  they announced it at the RTX Quadro announcement  https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/open-source-mdl-sdk/

  • LotharenLotharen Posts: 282

    Nvidia has Open sourced MDL now!  they announced it at the RTX Quadro announcement  https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/open-source-mdl-sdk/

    Thats nice and all but will Studio ever impliment it?

  • Lotharen said:

    Nvidia has Open sourced MDL now!  they announced it at the RTX Quadro announcement  https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/open-source-mdl-sdk/

    Thats nice and all but will Studio ever impliment it?

    For what? You can already bring a chunk of MDL code into Shader Mixer as a Custom Brick.

  • Hopefully I can update my current Octane subscription to V4 when it comes out...

  • linvanchenelinvanchene Posts: 1,386
    edited October 2018
    Lotharen said:

    Nvidia has Open sourced MDL now!  they announced it at the RTX Quadro announcement  https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/08/13/open-source-mdl-sdk/

    Thats nice and all but will Studio ever impliment it?

    For what? You can already bring a chunk of MDL code into Shader Mixer as a Custom Brick.

     

    Some would like to render a scene in the OctaneRender for DAZ Studio plugin with the materials looking identical to the iray version.

    Currently there is an autoconversion that converts DAZ Studio material parameters into Octane material parameters based on a manually coded set of rules.

    Users were asked to provide feedback to improve that conversion here:

    https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=58442

     

    There is conflicting information going around what can be done with  MDL in the Iray version of DAZ Studio.

    3rd party developers commented more than a year ago that even when Otoy would support MDL they would not yet know how to easily gather the MDL information from the DAZ Studio API and transfer it to the octane plugin.

    Maybe the DAZ Studio Iray SDK and the DAZ Studio API were updated in the last two years and now all that is left is to wait until Otoy finds the time to implement MDL on their end?

     

    - - -

    In any case the latest statement about MDL in Octane may have been on Sep 15, 2018 


    "Sbsar and MDL are definitely on the to do list, but there are quite a few things that will happen before them. Namely layered material node and spectron features that were shown in SIGGRAPH 2018."

    Source:

    https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=68770&p=345891&hilit=mdl#p345891

    - - -

    Spectron features are shown in this video:

    Life After Octane 4: Introducing Vectron, Spectron and...Octane 5?

    - - -

    Post edited by linvanchene on
  • Well, DS certainly can export MDL, since that's what gets ssent to Iray (internally and using the Iray Server link) - but I'm not sure how you would get MDL sent to a file that could then be passed to another application.

  • Well, DS certainly can export MDL, since that's what gets ssent to Iray (internally and using the Iray Server link) - but I'm not sure how you would get MDL sent to a file that could then be passed to another application.

    You (or someone) could probably create a script to extract the MDL info from the scene data and create a file and export that for other apps to use.

  • MDL support would have to be built into Octane. to translate MDL to octanes format. So the Daz Plugin would have to pass the MDL shader info over to Octane 4. Daz studio has MDL support already in it. 

  • I'm so hyped for this one, guys have been working hard on this release, and with stalling of 3.8 official seeing V4 launched to public was a great surprise, can't wait for plugins to follow.

    ...This also means war on Redshift :)

    While I'm sure a lot of this has been in the works before Redshift started taking off I can see some of these features and the pricing as a direct response to Redshift's success.

    And we're also finally getting the celshading/proper toon shader in Octane :) It's all about competition out there, but in the end, that's good for us, end customers.

    Just got the Octane Rander Kit and thought I'd check on toon shading capabilities. Would toon shading be possible with the Render Kit?

  • Wish it wasn't a subscription software 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
    edited November 2020

    I'm so hyped for this one, guys have been working hard on this release, and with stalling of 3.8 official seeing V4 launched to public was a great surprise, can't wait for plugins to follow.

    ...This also means war on Redshift :)

    While I'm sure a lot of this has been in the works before Redshift started taking off I can see some of these features and the pricing as a direct response to Redshift's success.

    And we're also finally getting the celshading/proper toon shader in Octane :) It's all about competition out there, but in the end, that's good for us, end customers.

    Just got the Octane Rander Kit and thought I'd check on toon shading capabilities. Would toon shading be possible with the Render Kit?

    Toon shading is possible. I didn't use the kit to do it though, I just changed the material type to Toon Material in the Nodegraph Editor:

    Octane Render - Hatchling Phoenix Toon.png
    1200 x 1500 - 1M
    Post edited by 3Diva on
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970

    Wish it wasn't a subscription software 

    There's a free version, which I use.

  • I'm so hyped for this one, guys have been working hard on this release, and with stalling of 3.8 official seeing V4 launched to public was a great surprise, can't wait for plugins to follow.

    ...This also means war on Redshift :)

    While I'm sure a lot of this has been in the works before Redshift started taking off I can see some of these features and the pricing as a direct response to Redshift's success.

    And we're also finally getting the celshading/proper toon shader in Octane :) It's all about competition out there, but in the end, that's good for us, end customers.

    Just got the Octane Rander Kit and thought I'd check on toon shading capabilities. Would toon shading be possible with the Render Kit?

    There's two toon shader examples included in the kit, I didn't go too much into it for more possibilities and variety as there's currently issue with toon ramps (not working properly) that devs are familiar with. Also we don't have the option to use Toon Lights in the plugin which I also hope get included in some future versions of OcDs for toon effect.

    V.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970

    I'm so hyped for this one, guys have been working hard on this release, and with stalling of 3.8 official seeing V4 launched to public was a great surprise, can't wait for plugins to follow.

    ...This also means war on Redshift :)

    While I'm sure a lot of this has been in the works before Redshift started taking off I can see some of these features and the pricing as a direct response to Redshift's success.

    And we're also finally getting the celshading/proper toon shader in Octane :) It's all about competition out there, but in the end, that's good for us, end customers.

    Just got the Octane Rander Kit and thought I'd check on toon shading capabilities. Would toon shading be possible with the Render Kit?

    There's two toon shader examples included in the kit, I didn't go too much into it for more possibilities and variety as there's currently issue with toon ramps (not working properly) that devs are familiar with. Also we don't have the option to use Toon Lights in the plugin which I also hope get included in some future versions of OcDs for toon effect.

    V.

    Hi, V! Do you know if there is a known issue with the Materials Tab visuals? The space on the left side where the materials zones should be listed it keeps getting messed up visually and projecting information from a previously visited tab. Is that a known issue?

  • valzheimervalzheimer Posts: 519
    edited November 2020
    3Diva said:

    I'm so hyped for this one, guys have been working hard on this release, and with stalling of 3.8 official seeing V4 launched to public was a great surprise, can't wait for plugins to follow.

    ...This also means war on Redshift :)

    While I'm sure a lot of this has been in the works before Redshift started taking off I can see some of these features and the pricing as a direct response to Redshift's success.

    And we're also finally getting the celshading/proper toon shader in Octane :) It's all about competition out there, but in the end, that's good for us, end customers.

    Just got the Octane Rander Kit and thought I'd check on toon shading capabilities. Would toon shading be possible with the Render Kit?

    There's two toon shader examples included in the kit, I didn't go too much into it for more possibilities and variety as there's currently issue with toon ramps (not working properly) that devs are familiar with. Also we don't have the option to use Toon Lights in the plugin which I also hope get included in some future versions of OcDs for toon effect.

    V.

    Hi, V! Do you know if there is a known issue with the Materials Tab visuals? The space on the left side where the materials zones should be listed it keeps getting messed up visually and projecting information from a previously visited tab. Is that a known issue?

    If you have issues of that sort (tabs not refreshing or showing accurate information, settings in preferences not getting memorized and similar) it's suggested to delete 

    C:\Users\[username]\OctaneRender\Data\OctaneRender_settings.oczdb

    file, this resets settings to default and helps with some common issues :) Edited to note: Daz needs to be closed to be able to delete this file :) Hope that helps.

    V.

    Post edited by valzheimer on
  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
    3Diva said:

    I'm so hyped for this one, guys have been working hard on this release, and with stalling of 3.8 official seeing V4 launched to public was a great surprise, can't wait for plugins to follow.

    ...This also means war on Redshift :)

    While I'm sure a lot of this has been in the works before Redshift started taking off I can see some of these features and the pricing as a direct response to Redshift's success.

    And we're also finally getting the celshading/proper toon shader in Octane :) It's all about competition out there, but in the end, that's good for us, end customers.

    Just got the Octane Rander Kit and thought I'd check on toon shading capabilities. Would toon shading be possible with the Render Kit?

    There's two toon shader examples included in the kit, I didn't go too much into it for more possibilities and variety as there's currently issue with toon ramps (not working properly) that devs are familiar with. Also we don't have the option to use Toon Lights in the plugin which I also hope get included in some future versions of OcDs for toon effect.

    V.

    Hi, V! Do you know if there is a known issue with the Materials Tab visuals? The space on the left side where the materials zones should be listed it keeps getting messed up visually and projecting information from a previously visited tab. Is that a known issue?

    If you have issues of that sort (tabs not refreshing or showing accurate information, settings in preferences not getting memorized and similar) it's suggested to delete 

    C:\Users\[username]\OctaneRender\Data\OctaneRender_settings.oczdb

    file, this resets settings to default and helps with some common issues :) Edited to note: Daz needs to be closed to be able to delete this file :) Hope that helps.

    V.

    Thanks, V! I'll try that! :)

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847

    ...isn't the free version somewhat limited in available tools and render size?.  I know it only allows for one GPU.  Also my concern is having to be online while using it as that seems to be the case: 

    • Use of the software is available only while online, connected via the internet to the OctaneRender licensing server
    • Only a limited sub-set of plugins are available (see above)
    • OctaneRender Standalone is not available in the Prime tier
    • OctaneRender Offline USB Dongle is not supported

    Whenever I work in programmes, like Daz, Blender or Carrara, I shut down net accesss and put my AV software into silent mode to maximise system resoruces as I have older tech.

    I also have Maxwell generation GPUs so not sure if they are CUDA 10 compatible. (hardware information on the Nvidia control panel indicates CUDA 7).

  • 3Diva said:
    3Diva said:

    I'm so hyped for this one, guys have been working hard on this release, and with stalling of 3.8 official seeing V4 launched to public was a great surprise, can't wait for plugins to follow.

    ...This also means war on Redshift :)

    While I'm sure a lot of this has been in the works before Redshift started taking off I can see some of these features and the pricing as a direct response to Redshift's success.

    And we're also finally getting the celshading/proper toon shader in Octane :) It's all about competition out there, but in the end, that's good for us, end customers.

    Just got the Octane Rander Kit and thought I'd check on toon shading capabilities. Would toon shading be possible with the Render Kit?

    There's two toon shader examples included in the kit, I didn't go too much into it for more possibilities and variety as there's currently issue with toon ramps (not working properly) that devs are familiar with. Also we don't have the option to use Toon Lights in the plugin which I also hope get included in some future versions of OcDs for toon effect.

    V.

    Hi, V! Do you know if there is a known issue with the Materials Tab visuals? The space on the left side where the materials zones should be listed it keeps getting messed up visually and projecting information from a previously visited tab. Is that a known issue?

    If you have issues of that sort (tabs not refreshing or showing accurate information, settings in preferences not getting memorized and similar) it's suggested to delete 

    C:\Users\[username]\OctaneRender\Data\OctaneRender_settings.oczdb

    file, this resets settings to default and helps with some common issues :) Edited to note: Daz needs to be closed to be able to delete this file :) Hope that helps.

    V.

    Thanks, V! I'll try that! :)

    You're most welcome, I hope it helps :)

     

    kyoto kid said:

    ...isn't the free version somewhat limited in available tools and render size?.  I know it only allows for one GPU.  Also my concern is having to be online while using it as that seems to be the case: 

    • Use of the software is available only while online, connected via the internet to the OctaneRender licensing server
    • Only a limited sub-set of plugins are available (see above)
    • OctaneRender Standalone is not available in the Prime tier
    • OctaneRender Offline USB Dongle is not supported

    Whenever I work in programmes, like Daz, Blender or Carrara, I shut down net accesss and put my AV software into silent mode to maximise system resoruces as I have older tech.

    I also have Maxwell generation GPUs so not sure if they are CUDA 10 compatible. (hardware information on the Nvidia control panel indicates CUDA 7).

    Other than having to be online and being limited to one GPU, there are no other limitations that I have personally experienced and I used Prime extensively testing different features and doing renders for different purposes. I rendered images 4000px and up in Octane since the release so size is definetly not limited, nor any of the quality parameters :)

    I understand however that some folks don't prefer being connected at all times, but it seems to have been the trend for activation most of the software in 2020, Zbrush and MarvelousDesigner too to name a few. 

    V.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    edited November 2020

    ...but once a new licence is "activated" you should be able to work offline afterwards, With Octane it sounds like you need to be online throughout the session, hence the dongle for the Annual and Enterprise subscriptions that allow you to work offline.

       

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • 3Diva said:

    Wish it wasn't a subscription software 

    There's a free version, which I use.

    Requires being online which makes it unusable

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847

    ...yeah kind of sad.  Was saving up for a perpetual licence before they went full subscription.  Out of core rendering sold me at the time as it splits the load rather than simply dumps completely to the CPU like Iray does 

    Blender's Cycles id also capable of CPU+GPU rendering but it's a path tracing rather than PBR engine..

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 11,970
    3Diva said:

    I'm so hyped for this one, guys have been working hard on this release, and with stalling of 3.8 official seeing V4 launched to public was a great surprise, can't wait for plugins to follow.

    ...This also means war on Redshift :)

    While I'm sure a lot of this has been in the works before Redshift started taking off I can see some of these features and the pricing as a direct response to Redshift's success.

    And we're also finally getting the celshading/proper toon shader in Octane :) It's all about competition out there, but in the end, that's good for us, end customers.

    Just got the Octane Rander Kit and thought I'd check on toon shading capabilities. Would toon shading be possible with the Render Kit?

    There's two toon shader examples included in the kit, I didn't go too much into it for more possibilities and variety as there's currently issue with toon ramps (not working properly) that devs are familiar with. Also we don't have the option to use Toon Lights in the plugin which I also hope get included in some future versions of OcDs for toon effect.

    V.

    Hi, V! Do you know if there is a known issue with the Materials Tab visuals? The space on the left side where the materials zones should be listed it keeps getting messed up visually and projecting information from a previously visited tab. Is that a known issue?

    If you have issues of that sort (tabs not refreshing or showing accurate information, settings in preferences not getting memorized and similar) it's suggested to delete 

    C:\Users\[username]\OctaneRender\Data\OctaneRender_settings.oczdb

    file, this resets settings to default and helps with some common issues :) Edited to note: Daz needs to be closed to be able to delete this file :) Hope that helps.

    V.

    Not only did that fix the visual issues I was seeing with the Materials Tab but it also fixed the issues I was having with Octane frequently crashing Daz Studio. Thank you so much! :D

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