OT: The fires in California are really bad

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  • Retro LadRetro Lad Posts: 471

    Wonderland.    I saw a squirrel passed out in the middle of the sidewalk, possibly dead, from dehydration or the heat

    I lived in Pearblossom, in the Mojave Desert area of California, for over 10 years and every summer squireels would sprawl out flat like pancakes on the cement to cool off, It always made me laugh to see them like that.

    Broken pieces of glass, which are eveywhere, can intensify the heat of sunlight just like a magnifying glass and start fires. Also twiglets and small branches brushing against each other can start fires. Weird, but it happens.

     

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    dracorn said:
    That may be correct about the arsonists. However, rain doesn't always accompany lightning in California. I saw lightning start a grass fire while driving down the freeway. A few years ago we had a freak dry lightning storm with 500+ strikes. The sky was being lit up like there were fireworks. It caused 400 fires all across the state.

    I was part of a research team studying lightning at the Kennedy Space Center.  We had electric field meters and lightning detectors and computers and analog and digital data recorders and airplanes flying through clouds and renowned lightning scientists and it doesn't have to rain to have lightning.  It doesn't even need to be cloudy to have lightning!  The phrase "Bolt from the blue." is not an exaggeration. surprise  All you need is dust and friction.

    A couple of years back we had a very strange storm blow up in the Brecon Beacons mountain range (I live in the foothills of the brecons)  There were suddenly 2 lightning flashes, as you say bolts out of the blue.  I didn't even have time between them to close down the computer.   Having got it closed down  there was nothing else,   no rain, no storm anything.   Found out later that bothe the lightning bolts had been strikes,  and each of them caused a fatality.  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/03/lightning-strikes-killed-brecon-beacon-walkers-inquest-rules

  • Retro LadRetro Lad Posts: 471

    Chohole,

    For some reason I thought you lived in Paris, France.

    What a refreshing relief that no one blamed the two tragic fatal lightning strikes on Putin.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,205

    ...heat wave finally broke here in Portland tonight after one more day around 90°.  Currently 64° (some 12 - 15° cooler than it's been at this time for the last 10 days).   There is even a chance for some actual water from the sky on Friday and the beginning of next week.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,856
    dracorn said:
    Dave230 said:

    Is it unusual for fires in upper Northern California?  Isn't that Redwoods territory, with all the huge trees?

    Not unusual anymore.  I just got home from my mother-in-law's in the Sierra foothills.  They didn't bother moving the pine forest to build the town.  It's beautiful.  When a fire is burning, you look at all that gorgeous folliage and think - look at all the fuel that surrounds your house - especially since it's so dry that there's a lot of dead stuff mixed in with the trees.  

    A couple of years ago, half the town she lived in had to be evacuated.  They stopped the fire about 500 feet from her house.  When we went to see her a week later, we drove down the street - half a mile away the neighborhood was ash.  It was aweful.  In the middle of it was a house still standing, with scorch marks of a burned tree right next to it.  And we wondered, what saved that house?

    I believe researchers come in after a fire asking those same questions.  They have come up with answers too, and have made recommendations.  But these changes are expensive - like attick fans and special windows.  So people rebuild and DON'T incorporate the changes. 

    I kinda wonder, nonesuch00 - why you stay.  After that many disasters in such a short amount of time, I'd be shell-shot.

    I didn't. That area I was in was known to be part of a tornado heavy area with floods too (not with extreme frequency though) but a hurricane and an ice storm of that magnitute was in historical times in that area unknown. Now I am in an area with much rare tornados, rarer ice storms, rarer floods and all that about 150 southeast, however the weather seems to be changing to make those more frequent but lucky for me I'm in a good location even locally to avoid all that. Even the Smokies about 150 miles further southeast had giant fires like never before. The wildfires in wooded areas though a big contributing factor is that hardwood trees are allowed to be stripped from those areas leaving mostly only software and brush which is like a giant tinder box for forest fires to start.

     

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,925
    edited August 2018

    I had posted I was surprised the states who were helping had not been identified, and thought Florida would pitch in since everyone helped us when we got hit with the hurricane clobbering the Florida keys and the Florida peninsula. Well, our help is on the way. Go Florida and Georgia!  And kudos to Michigan, Wisconsin, and those East Coast states. That's a LONG way to travel to help.

     

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,856

    The USFS and NPS firemen around here basically only train here to wind up working out west all the time. There is occasional serious fire here but it is rare to have one like in the Smokeys a couple years back. Starting pay is about $13 an hour with only seasonal work, i.e. the fire season out west, being the season, so it's not much motivation to sign up for employment with them. I've read that they often still have to use "volunteer firefighters" via work release programs for well behaved prisoners from the prisons in California because there is always a shortage of firefighters out west. Here, we actually have quite a few volunteer firefighters that serve locally.

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    By the way, anyone remember Smokey the Bear? "Only YOU can prevent forest fires". He was right. Maybe they need to re-instate Smokey. Or Boo Boo. And I recall a big push to require sparkless mufflers and stuff, and werent there some severe laws against tossing lit cigarettes? I also recall back in the 80s or 90s in California there was a sudden increase in fires. Until they got suspicious of a particular fire fighter who seemed to always be the first one on the scene.
  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255
    BTW, to inject some facts into this, "nearly 9 out of 10 wildfires in the US are human-caused".
  • dracorndracorn Posts: 2,363
    Novica said:

    I had posted I was surprised the states who were helping had not been identified, and thought Florida would pitch in since everyone helped us when we got hit with the hurricane clobbering the Florida keys and the Florida peninsula. Well, our help is on the way. Go Florida and Georgia!  And kudos to Michigan, Wisconsin, and those East Coast states. That's a LONG way to travel to help.

     

    Way to go! You guys ROCK! Thanks for sharing, I wasn't aware of how much help was coming in.
  • dracorndracorn Posts: 2,363

    The USFS and NPS firemen around here basically only train here to wind up working out west all the time. There is occasional serious fire here but it is rare to have one like in the Smokeys a couple years back. Starting pay is about $13 an hour with only seasonal work, i.e. the fire season out west, being the season, so it's not much motivation to sign up for employment with them. I've read that they often still have to use "volunteer firefighters" via work release programs for well behaved prisoners from the prisons in California because there is always a shortage of firefighters out west. Here, we actually have quite a few volunteer firefighters that serve locally.

    I want to state just how much respect and admiration I have for fire fighters. The dedication and selflessness they exhibit is truly heroic. Not to mention the endurance required to work 24 hours at a time on a very dangerous job. Every year we lose a few of them. We lost one of them when he was trying to save the grandmother and her two grandkids. I can't thank them enough.
  • dracorndracorn Posts: 2,363
    ebergerly said:
    By the way, anyone remember Smokey the Bear? "Only YOU can prevent forest fires". He was right. Maybe they need to re-instate Smokey. Or Boo Boo. And I recall a big push to require sparkless mufflers and stuff, and werent there some severe laws against tossing lit cigarettes? I also recall back in the 80s or 90s in California there was a sudden increase in fires. Until they got suspicious of a particular fire fighter who seemed to always be the first one on the scene.

    Yeah, there should be advertisements on TV with Smokey like there was when I was a kid. A fawn was rescued from the fire, maybe he can become the new face to prevent wildfires.
  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,103

    Yeah, there may be fires and earthquakes here, but every state has something.

    Me, I prefer to live in a place where most of the time I can walk outside without gasping for breath in unbearable heat or wearing special clothing to deal with the horrible cold, or without possibly losing my life slipping on icy streets.

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,282
    Oso3D said:

    Yeah, there may be fires and earthquakes here, but every state has something.

    Me, I prefer to live in a place where most of the time I can walk outside without gasping for breath in unbearable heat or wearing special clothing to deal with the horrible cold, or without possibly losing my life slipping on icy streets.

     

    Shangri-La?

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,705

    Most of the fires locally have been person-caused. A mountain bike, camping in undesignated places, a sparking transformer and kids playing with fireworks. I support more education and stronger penalties for humans who cause these accidents... there has been a pretty big uptick in these types of issues lately. 

     

  • MarcCCTxMarcCCTx Posts: 947

    I'm reading that there's now something called a Firenado...

    That is just freaking terrifying. 

  • ebergerlyebergerly Posts: 3,255

    Not new, they've been around forever due to winds generated in large fires. They're actually called "fire whirls", but I guess "firenado" sounds cooler and generates more clicks. They probably happen in most large wildfires, and if you've ever seen coverage on the news you've probably seen them. Major examples from long ago:

    An extreme example of a fire tornado is the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake in Japan which ignited a large city-sized firestorm and produced a gigantic fire whirl that killed 38,000 people in fifteen minutes in the Hifukusho-Ato region of Tokyo.

    Another example is the numerous large fire whirls (some tornadic) that developed after lightning struck an oil storage facility near San Luis Obispo, California on 7 April 1926, several of which produced significant structural damage well away from the fire, killing two. Many whirlwinds were produced by the four-day-long firestorm coincident with conditions that produced severe thunderstorms, in which the larger fire whirls carried debris 5 kilometers away

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,222
    MarcCCTx said:

    I'm reading that there's now something called a Firenado...

    That is just freaking terrifying. 

    Something can be terrifying and awesome, though, right? I mean if my home was destroyed by fire, I'd be bummed out, but if it was destroyed by a firenado, I'd have to think that was at least a little bit cool.

    Also, I can't be the only guy who saw the thread title and came here expecting a Johnny Carson style joke, right? I'll try one.

         The fires in California are really bad. 

         Audience: How bad are they?

         They're so bad, we haven't seen this much unwanted heat buildup in Santa Clara since Nvidia released the Maxwell Architecture. (ducks)

    Ok, I won't quit my day job. (sigh)

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,832
    Oso3D said:

    Yeah, there may be fires and earthquakes here, but every state has something.

    Me, I prefer to live in a place where most of the time I can walk outside without gasping for breath in unbearable heat or wearing special clothing to deal with the horrible cold, or without possibly losing my life slipping on icy streets.

     

    Up here in Ohio we have both extremes. In winter it has gotten down to -25F (not including the wind chill) and in the summer up to 110F (not including the real feel)

  • dracorndracorn Posts: 2,363
    Yeowser. I live in the California central valley about 100 miles due east of San Francisco. I'm near the delta, so temps here get over 100 but very rarely get to 107. Winter temps are down to the high 20's and it does not snow. The growing season is very long and we've eaten grapes in November. It really cools down at night in the summer, as much as 30 degrees. We don't get wildfires here, but the valley gets all the smoke.
  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,103

    Frank: Yeah, I'm originally from eastern Massachusetts and lived for a while in Pittsburgh. That's an annoying climate zone.

    I was visiting folks recently and while here in San Jose it was in the high 70s and mid 80s, in eastern MA it was high 90s and SUPER HUMID. Ugh.

    And then in winter, piles of snow and ice.

    Bleh.

     

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,832

    We haven't had a lot of snow over the last couple yrs like we use to get back in the 80's and 90's. about 4 yrs ago we were getting snow almost the entire winter and had 3 foot of accumulation most of the winder. We get hit with the lake effect snow from Erie.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,856

    Even though I only lived in central Appalachians for high school and college & moved away for a couple of decades the weather here is still the same mostly except 90s was almost as rare as below zero in high school & college but both have been more frequent although not common or average since I moved back.

    In the autumns the leaves seem to be missing the extra brightness of color most years and just all sort of quickly change to a dull yellow then brown and drop. The colors used to be almost always much brighter and more varied from yellows to oranges to reds but now I find myself trying to plan my yard trees to get those colors because I never see them out & about so tyically. Logging permits taking all the hardwood varieties (supplying all the bright colors) and leaving softwood tinderbox forests behind is most likely culprit.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,705

    My family is from Ohio, but I was born in Cali.  It’s a beautiful state but cannot live there now. Ohio is ranked high for ozone and is ranked of the worst states to live in if you have asthma... too bad... great place... 

  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679

    It is sad how routine these fires have become, and horrible weather in general. Over here where I am, aside from a couple of decent rain free days, it has rained every day for two weeks straight. I wish I could send some of that water your way. There has been flooding, on and off. Where I am located, I am elevated enough that it would need a biblical flood to reach. But in areas around me, there have been swift water rescues in places that have never needed that sort of thing before. Two people were swept away by flash flooding, and sadly they were not found until over two weeks later.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,856

    My family is from Ohio, but I was born in Cali.  It’s a beautiful state but cannot live there now. Ohio is ranked high for ozone and is ranked of the worst states to live in if you have asthma... too bad... great place... 

    Yes, the Ohio Valley is well known to be bad for allergies. I used to get asthma attacks when baling hay in autumn. And my eyes still burn at certain times of the year even now. If you look at a map from tree cover density in the United States you'll see it's highest in the Appalachians although the Pacific Northwest might seem to complete with all the rain they don't. And Kentucky, the state I live in, despite being somewhat small compared to most states and being landlocked, has more miles of navigable waters than any state but Alaska. It is damp and wet here so allergies abound.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,308

    It is sad how routine these fires have become, and horrible weather in general. Over here where I am, aside from a couple of decent rain free days, it has rained every day for two weeks straight. I wish I could send some of that water your way. There has been flooding, on and off. Where I am located, I am elevated enough that it would need a biblical flood to reach. But in areas around me, there have been swift water rescues in places that have never needed that sort of thing before. Two people were swept away by flash flooding, and sadly they were not found until over two weeks later.

    Wish it was here. Drought for 2 months now, and they say it may last for another 6 weeks. Farmers are desperate - expecting the worst harvest in 100 years.

  • dracorndracorn Posts: 2,363

    It is sad how routine these fires have become, and horrible weather in general. Over here where I am, aside from a couple of decent rain free days, it has rained every day for two weeks straight. I wish I could send some of that water your way. There has been flooding, on and off. Where I am located, I am elevated enough that it would need a biblical flood to reach. But in areas around me, there have been swift water rescues in places that have never needed that sort of thing before. Two people were swept away by flash flooding, and sadly they were not found until over two weeks later.

    I live on the very edge of the 100 year flood plane. We were not in it when we bought the house, but because of the droughts in California, so much groundwater has been used that our elevation has dropped 12 feet in 14 years.
  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,705
    edited August 2018

    My family is from Ohio, but I was born in Cali.  It’s a beautiful state but cannot live there now. Ohio is ranked high for ozone and is ranked of the worst states to live in if you have asthma... too bad... great place... 

    Yes, the Ohio Valley is well known to be bad for allergies. I used to get asthma attacks when baling hay in autumn. And my eyes still burn at certain times of the year even now. If you look at a map from tree cover density in the United States you'll see it's highest in the Appalachians although the Pacific Northwest might seem to complete with all the rain they don't. And Kentucky, the state I live in, despite being somewhat small compared to most states and being landlocked, has more miles of navigable waters than any state but Alaska. It is damp and wet here so allergies abound.

    Sea breeze is best for allergies and asthma unless you are allergic to something it contains. So agreed north coast is not comparable. I’ve succeeded too oddly in overcoming all but one allergy. Dust mites... that is my bane. But ground ozone such as exist in Ohio  is bad for everyone but worse in summer. Too bad more cannot be done but topography of the land and pollution makes it hard I’m sure.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,856

    My family is from Ohio, but I was born in Cali.  It’s a beautiful state but cannot live there now. Ohio is ranked high for ozone and is ranked of the worst states to live in if you have asthma... too bad... great place... 

    Yes, the Ohio Valley is well known to be bad for allergies. I used to get asthma attacks when baling hay in autumn. And my eyes still burn at certain times of the year even now. If you look at a map from tree cover density in the United States you'll see it's highest in the Appalachians although the Pacific Northwest might seem to complete with all the rain they don't. And Kentucky, the state I live in, despite being somewhat small compared to most states and being landlocked, has more miles of navigable waters than any state but Alaska. It is damp and wet here so allergies abound.

    Sea breeze is best for allergies and asthma unless you are allergic to something it contains. So agreed north coast is not comparable. I’ve succeeded too oddly in overcoming all but one allergy. Dust mites... that is my bane. But ground ozone such as exist in Ohio  is bad for everyone but worse in summer. Too bad more cannot be done but topography of the land and pollution makes it hard I’m sure.

    My asthma and allergies are caused by mold spores that happen certain times of fall but I refuse the medicines as worse than the allergies. You are right though, when we lived near Hanna Park on the Atlantic I had no allergies but I enjoy gardening, botany, and wildlife too much to leave here but I do enjoy the ocean alot too (although I also find the ocean scary having been both rescued from undertows and having rescued people from undertows, sharks, stingrays, ...but then again bear and snakes seem to have had populsation explosions here in the Appalachians so caution is need everywhere - I actually am always a bit scared nowadays just going on simple hikes because of the number of bears - Yogi Bear & BooBoo they are not! laugh

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