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Personally, I like the Mika characters. But, I already bought karyssa, which pretty much covers that niche for me. I was expecting mei lin or Lee...saving my spare cash for them.
not sure if there was a wink there about not having bought Lee7 even he's obvs male, lol, but i didn't like his features so much. otherwise all the figures i bought inclusive some non-humans were male. i'm not even sure i ever bought a female... V4 was included with DS3 i think, even she came again as a "purchase" with a free bundle later (but i DID buy V4 male/Vittorio), and barely a handful of others females gather dust in my runtime, i got them for free from the bimonthly freebies just to have some skins with makeup i could slap on my males... the few (old-ish) textures/gear/clothing i bought for V4 in supermegasales were dirt cheap, and again, i use them on males - leaves or fantasy skirts, creature skins... so, i DO support male products practically exclusively - not "in the same numbers" but wayyyyy more.
Daz is a business, like any other business. And they have a lot of data, I'm sure, to back up what they do. If it wasn't profitable they probably wouldn't do it. And if it stops being profitable they'll experiment to see what is. We can get mad at Daz all we want for putting out something we may not like, but they're doing what any business does, what makes the money. Instead of being mad at them just realize that other people may like what you don't like, and Daz has to cater to them as well, and they have to do what keeps the employees paid and the bills paid.
Besides, it's not like Pokemon, you don't have to "Catch Them All". If this one doesn't strike your fancy, there's likely some that will. And if the current Two Week Release Schedule keeps up then you'll probably only have a couple weeks to wait to see what's next. And maybe that one will be more to your liking. In the meantime, there are a lot of PA figures being released and a lot of content that allows for some amazing customization of your characters so if you don't see what you like, you can do some tweaking until you come up with something more to your liking.
But, it's fun to point out when you already have all fhe freebies that are being offered, it makes you feel special for being such a loyal and frequent Daz customer!
I'm not there yet, but I've seen a few people mention already having most of the freebies associated with the sale. In the Mika 8 thread someone only had 9 'freebies' left, out of the pool offered in theassociated sale which allows you to pick 10 items if you met the prereqs.
And by goodness, it's a collection! While you probably can't collect all of the older ones (some are no longer available), collecting all of the Genesis 8 characters is a feasable (if rather silly) goal! As for the older stuff, I'm sure there are one or two individuals out there who have truly vast Daz collections, besides Daz themselves.
So while I haven't collected them all in a larger sense well as far as Genesis 8 pro bundles, I'm actually quite close... this may only matter to Daz, the PA's involved, and me though. It does makes me feel slightly more useful when I can whip out some character real quick if someone has a question about them. People have helped me around here a few times, and I don't mind paying it forward when I can.
The Daz sales team probably loves me for being such an active customer in the meantime (dunno if I've financed anyone's yacht yet with my purchases...). And I love it when they throw in older pro bundles into the Pro bundle offer (didn't do that this time). This gives me an opportunity to grab some older pro bundles that I might otherwise never buy...
I'm making it sound like I buy everything under the sun. In fact, like most of us here, I do end up passing on a lot of stuff. My budget only goes so far... Like numerous others here, my wishlist is absolutely huge at this point. Mainly I'm just being silly with this post.
I don't have any Pokemon though... wasn't my thing. Does Duckie count?
At least, unlike the female figures, each male is unique.
Darius 8 isn't a clone of Darius 7, Michael 8 isn't a clone of Michael 7, ...
Or one decides to shop at other online storefronts that actually takes the risks of doing new and experimental things, and support the content creators that take the risks via the indie (i.e. Renderhub, Gumroad, Patreon) route that completely cuts out the "market trends" middleman.
A small number of people buying exclusively male content is not enough; you need the same number of people buying the male stuff as buy the femal stuff.
I wonder what percentage of those folks do this as their sole means of income.
I haven't purchased any Daz Original pro bundle males except Ollie as a "character actor" and Edward because I didn't find any of the others aesthetically to my taste. But I did purchase some PA males and several morph packages so I can create my own. I'm not sure why people think that purchasing Daz Original base character bundles are the only way to go... There are tons of PA male characters and some nice morph packages. Originally there was only one base male, Michael (1,2,3,4) The whole point was to morph your own characters. I'm not sure why people don't want to use morphs anymore, it seems. Creating your own characters with morphs is fun and keeps your artwork original! I would like to see more/better male hair though. Especially some nice layered hair.
"The whole point was to morph your own characters. I'm not sure why people don't want to use morphs anymore, it seems. Creating your own characters with morphs is fun and keeps your artwork original!"
Exactly. I understand why people ask for more male clothing, but not for more realistic male characters. Buy Zev0's Shape Shifter morphs and you could easily make the next David. A combination of swole morphs and a couple of tough-looking face morphs and you'll have a Freak. There's nothing wrong with character bundles, I bought one a while back because I liked most of the included clothing and the main texture, and we could certainly use more non-realistic shapes like Ollie and Callie because they can't be easily duplicated with 'normal' morphs. But like Wonderland says, you don't have to sit around waiting for a remake of your favorite male or female character. Buy a few morph sets and make a one-of-a-kind version that's pleases you.
I think most people realize daz is a business. I mean they do right?
And I think people know they can make their own figures using morphs however base characters often supply a nice set of genetics and additional content that many people need especially those looking for men’s content.
Yeah, I think the whole disappointment with Mika 8 has made me realize I'm done purchasing characters at this point, unless they truly bring something new to the table (i.e. Ollie and Edie).
IMHO An environment where the majority of DS users are making their own Characters with morph sliders is not good for business overall.
IMHO The very concept of the genesis platform was potentially harmful to the Named & numbered Character bundle paradigm.
And then there is the social, group affiliation aspect of being able to post your render in the, OOOHH Me Too!!, Mutual Validation threads that accompany each character release.
I can only wonder how many people ever do more than that one render of the new "character" they post in those threads
Look at the response when a person suggests that one could have morph dialed an Alexa 8.. etc
It is almost treated as heresy to even say it aloud in the midst of the
joyous albiet fleeting, celebration of the arrival of a new canned character
Bundle.
The Spice Must flow
The Hamster wheel must turn.
I mean I'd scoff at that because so far I've never actually seen anyone do it... (it in this case being a morph that is fairly indistuingishably from the named character) and certainly not with the hidden jcm fixes that the main daz figures all come with. That said, one can absolutely dial or sculpt ones own old character (with varying degree of success depending on ones abilities) One certainy doesn't need any one character to fill in any particular range
I suspect that a lot of the drive to repurchase is to get the advantage of the new tech. Or at least that's the message that the company is sending. I mean, who wouldn't be glad to get a face rig that actually works? Or joints that bend better than the ones in the model you've been using (which may be an older iteration than the last one)?
Where it comes apart is when the model that you specifically want the new features for isn't available for the new base. Because, however small, there really have been differences between the different generations of bases.
There's a fighting chance that DAZ will reissue a new iteration of their own base morphs. Character models from PAs, even wildly popular ones are nowhere near as sure a deal.
Everyone uses studio in the way that meets their needs. We don’t really know what the vast majority of folks use their characters for...and what they buy although we can guess, Since the silent majority of buyers of studio figures never post here and are the ones who presumably overwhelmingly buy similar female characters and content.
Patreon and similiar pages are full of these "silent majority". As we all know, the internet is for (censored) and right now, there's tons of it produced with DS in the form of adult comics and adult games (using stills made with DS). The number of male figures in all these is usually quite limited. And most of them are of a very similiar type. I would guess, that there usually are at least five different female figures used to one male figure.
These comic and game productions have a need to get out many renders in a limited time. So there isn't much tinkering done with the figures, but mostly basic figures are used. And of course, certain types of female figures are used more often, due to preferences of the consumers of said comics and games.
And yes, it's always funny to read comments from these consumers about some comic or game maker's skills in "making that female hero" when in the end it's just a pure Vicky 7 or 8.
Well say what you will about repetitive characters but I haven't seen anybody present any of their non-hamster wheel morphed characters that could touch the quality of work done on Alexandra 8, Edward 8, Ollie 8, or Edie 8 unless it was also a Genesis 8 morphed character. Then there is Sakura 8. It's also true that nothing of the morphs of earlier generations of DAZ Genesis has approached the improvement, although much more subtle, of Michael 8, Victoria 8, and so on. There is sound technical improvment.
Sure that isn't really appreciated by those that have not purchased and used those characters to see the improvements with their own eyes but those improvements are there.
I'm not being a DAZ 3D apologist or defending those that collect DAZ models like I used to collect coins, it's there money no need to defend them, but it's simply the truth that the Genesis 8 technical quality improvements are there and I think the modeling has improved too.
I'm a huge morph/kitbasher and am even getting into sculpting my own stuff.
But it's nice to have stuff to add to the 'genepool'; it can speed up or inspire creation, and the other really big part is having more skins to work with. Some of the skins lately are AMAZINGLY high quality.
I had disappointing luck with the Cayman work-around. I know it *does* work, since I've seen images posted of the results. But the first time I tried to use it, it flatly refused to behave itself. Could not get the base skin and the skin on the geografts to render the same. The experience doesn't make be eager for a rematch.
Consequently, that puts me in the market for G3 and later skins, because, as active as vendors have been since G3 first dropped, there are a lot of things where I need a skin of a specific type and haven't got one. Just lately I needed a freckled redheaded male. There are a few skins with freckes here, but I didn't see one on a store search which had z*prominent* freckles, or that boiled pink skintone which redheads so oftern have.
I did see a number of good redhead skins for females. But if there's a way to get a G3F skin onto G3M I don't know it.
You just need this product: https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-3-uv-swap-male-and-female-base
Then you can use G3F skins on G3M and vice versa. It does not let you use the special UV skins on G3M, for example V7 skin, you would need to use map transfer to transfer that into a G3F skin first.
Is there one of those for G8, or does that one work on G8 as well?
You could also use Caleb from Phoenix1966 here or at Rendo, I think Nathan here and a few others that I don't remember as I haven't bought but I think they are all for M4/Genesis and then buy the BlackSmith Texture Transformer 2.0 and the needed plugins. Although I think some of those render a bit more tan and not that almost sunburned or lily white pink - you'll need to try and adjust those transmitted colors after you convert to use the G8 material shader settings of Michael 8, Victoria 8 or any DAZ original. If you have ollie 8 or Edie 8 both of those have a 'Low' Translucency setting Instead of just Medium & High which should help create that pale pink look.
It will not work for G8, as it adds new UV sets for G3F and G3M alone. For G8, you need this:
https://www.daz3d.com/genesis-8-uv-swap-male-and-female-base
I was thinking about the lack of male content a few nights ago (thanks to a bout of insomnia).
I only have four female Pro Bundles for G8, but no male Pro Bundles. Edward 8 looked great, but he was released at the worst time for me, and I missed out. Plus, I've just seen two more 8 females listed in one of Mika 8's bundle products (Mabel and Kaylee).
I would love to see more male content (outside of the Pro Bundles). But then again, I'm still hoping that there will be a Kenji 8.
EDiT: I have tried buying all Genesis 3 characters, but I'm still missing a few. I can't help it. I love collecting things, and I love the G3 characters (I think they're better than G1, G2 & G8, but that's me).
One problem I have with the Daz male characters is they tend to have a rather effete, soft quality to them. Where are the Steve McQueen's, the Joe Manganiello's, the Bruce Willis'? This isn't something where just morphing always helps, as a skin that is too 'soft' often looks rather that way no matter how you morph the figure.
Would you describe Ivan 7 or Edward 8 as effete?
Yes! This is what I have tried to convey. The base characters by and large are just too feminine for me. I want Conan the Barbarian for a change.
I can't comment on Edward, since I don't have him, but Ivan 7 is actually more in the ballpark of what I'm looking for, although it would be nice to have some younger, but still more traditionally macho, guys.
I can use any sort of non toony adult male figure. I can alway use moar dude stuff.